Chances of Trading John Abraham?

[Rob]

I've been watching reports on the TV about John Abraham being traded on draft day for another pick. Do any of you think that this will happen before or on draft day and if so, what kind of value will we get for him. I new to the boards so I'd like to say hi and look forward to many discussions.

[Scott24Falcons]

Welcome to the boards Rob.  I haven't heard anything along the lines of us trading Abe.  Personally, I hope we keep him.  I'd like for us to add a DE early on in the draft, so Abe can focus on rushing the passer, and not having to necessarily play every down.  If we could get a guy like Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC in the second round, I think we should pull the trigger. 

[nick h]

the only way it happens i think is if dorsey and jake long are gone so we take chris long. that is the only circumstance i could imagine it happening but even then i'd rather keep him and play a rotation with chris long also getting snaps at olb and ut. and for those that say why take chris long when you have other needs we can still get trevor laws, brohm/flacco/henne, and sam baker later.

[Matthew Pritts]

nick h (4/19/2008)

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the only way it happens i think is if dorsey and jake long are gone so we take chris long. that is the only circumstance i could imagine it happening but even then i'd rather keep him and play a rotation with chris long also getting snaps at olb and ut. and for those that say why take chris long when you have other needs we can still get trevor laws, brohm/flacco/henne, and sam baker later.

You'd have 30MIL tied up at one position.

No way.

[Mr. Offseason]

i have to say that i dont like this idea much at all. we probably wouldnt get much more than a 2nd for him, and i have to say that i love abraham and i want him to retire a falcon if that is possible. hes a great RE and i love watching him.

i can understand getting rid of coleman, alge (as much as i loved watching him) and dhall, but this is just stupid if we want to get rid of abraham. he has always been productive and is far and away our best defensive lineman. getting rid of him for depreciated value would be very foolish imo.

[nick h]

Matthew Pritts (4/19/2008)

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nick h (4/19/2008)

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the only way it happens i think is if dorsey and jake long are gone so we take chris long. that is the only circumstance i could imagine it happening but even then i'd rather keep him and play a rotation with chris long also getting snaps at olb and ut. and for those that say why take chris long when you have other needs we can still get trevor laws, brohm/flacco/henne, and sam baker later.

You'd have 30MIL tied up at one position.

No way.

okay ive seen you post on this topic multiple times(drafting chris long) however i think you fail to realize that long would not be playing just de. he would rotate around the field. also abraham is 31 or 30 i think so he's nearing the end and anderson did not inspire confidence last year. long is generally regarded as the safest pick in the draft and would be by far the best value at 3

[capATL]

Factor in that he is signed through 2011. With a $2.5 million bonus allocated each year, the cap hit would be $10 million.

[Matthew Pritts]

Mr. Offseason (4/19/2008)

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i have to say that i dont like this idea much at all. we probably wouldnt get much more than a 2nd for him, and i have to say that i love abraham and i want him to retire a falcon if that is possible. hes a great RE and i love watching him.

i can understand getting rid of coleman, alge (as much as i loved watching him) and dhall, but this is just stupid if we want to get rid of abraham. he has always been productive and is far and away our best defensive lineman. getting rid of him for depreciated value would be very foolish imo.

He'd be a wasted pick.

Plus, drafting him would mean you're calling Anderson a bust. That's just irresponsible.

[Scott24Falcons]

"He'd be a wasted pick."

- TATF is that way^^^^

[nick h]

Matthew Pritts (4/19/2008)

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Mr. Offseason (4/19/2008)

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i have to say that i dont like this idea much at all. we probably wouldnt get much more than a 2nd for him, and i have to say that i love abraham and i want him to retire a falcon if that is possible. hes a great RE and i love watching him.

i can understand getting rid of coleman, alge (as much as i loved watching him) and dhall, but this is just stupid if we want to get rid of abraham. he has always been productive and is far and away our best defensive lineman. getting rid of him for depreciated value would be very foolish imo.

He'd be a wasted pick.

he's talking about trading abraham not picking chris long

[Matthew Pritts]

nick h (4/19/2008)

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Matthew Pritts (4/19/2008)

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Mr. Offseason (4/19/2008)

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i have to say that i dont like this idea much at all. we probably wouldnt get much more than a 2nd for him, and i have to say that i love abraham and i want him to retire a falcon if that is possible. hes a great RE and i love watching him.

i can understand getting rid of coleman, alge (as much as i loved watching him) and dhall, but this is just stupid if we want to get rid of abraham. he has always been productive and is far and away our best defensive lineman. getting rid of him for depreciated value would be very foolish imo.

He'd be a wasted pick.

he's talking about trading abraham not picking chris long

He'd still be  wasted pick.

Nothing will change my mind on this. DE is one of the few positions wehre we are set at and we need to focus more on more glaring holes then trying to take BPA.

[Matthew Pritts]

Scott24Falcons (4/19/2008)

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"He'd be a wasted pick."

- TATF is that way^^^^

That was uncalled for, Scott.

I have my opinion. Nothing anyone has siad up till now has convinced me otherwise.

Yeah I'm stubborn as all get out but so what.

[Rob]

nick h (4/19/2008)

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the only way it happens i think is if dorsey and jake long are gone so we take chris long. that is the only circumstance i could imagine it happening but even then i'd rather keep him and play a rotation with chris long also getting snaps at olb and ut. and for those that say why take chris long when you have other needs we can still get trevor laws, brohm/flacco/henne, and sam baker later.

True, but I think the Falcons might trade down if Dorsey is gone. They can go with Ellis out of USC which would be a good choice. Anyways the possibility is very low but it's possible and one that I am not in favor of.

[Matthew Pritts]

Rob (4/19/2008)

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nick h (4/19/2008)

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the only way it happens i think is if dorsey and jake long are gone so we take chris long. that is the only circumstance i could imagine it happening but even then i'd rather keep him and play a rotation with chris long also getting snaps at olb and ut. and for those that say why take chris long when you have other needs we can still get trevor laws, brohm/flacco/henne, and sam baker later.

True, but I think the Falcons might trade down if Dorsey is gone. They can go with Ellis out of USC which would be a good choice. Anyways the possibility is very low but it's possible and one that I am not in favor of.

I'd be perfectly happy if Ellis was the pick.

[nick h]

what happens if abraham gets injured in training camp? the point is you have to look at whats best for the franchise in the future because we are not going to win a super bowl next year. we can still fill holes with our second round picks but chris long should be the number one pick and to get him at 3 would be sweet. with all this said im still praying dorsey lasts to 3 because he's just as talented and fills a major need.

[Mr. Offseason]

nick h he just quoted the wrong post, that happens sometimes. sometimes you have to quote the post below the one you want to get it, its very strange.

anyways, if we moved abraham for a 2nd or something then i would certainly want to pick chris long. he would fill the hole right away and would be able to contribute immediately. however, that would be best only if dorsey was off the board by #3. if dorsey is there we have to take him.

[Matthew Pritts]

nick h (4/19/2008)

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what happens if abraham gets injured in training camp? the point is you have to look at whats best for the franchise in the future because we are not going to win a super bowl next year. we can still fill holes with our second round picks but chris long should be the number one pick and to get him at 3 would be sweet. with all this said im still praying dorsey lasts to 3 because he's just as talented and fills a major need.

But then you'd have 30MIL tied up at one position and what are you solving, what hole are you filliing by drafting the BPA when they are so many other much more glaring holes?

When you're in a reuilding situation like the Falcons, you don't go just BPA. YOu look to fill your needs w/players you feel fit the scheme the best. If it's BPA at a position of need and you fill he fits your scheme, by all means pull the trigger. But going BPA exclusively is not the way yo go rebuilding your franchise.

The only time you wanna go BPA is if you don't have any glaring holes.

[Scott24Falcons]

Mr. Offseason (4/19/2008)

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if dorsey is there we have to take him.

This is exactly how I feel.  I'm a big fan of Chris Long, but if Dorsey is still on the board, he has to be the pick.

[nick h]

Mr. Offseason (4/19/2008)

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nick h he just quoted the wrong post, that happens sometimes. sometimes you have to quote the post below the one you want to get it, its very strange.

anyways, if we moved abraham for a 2nd or something then i would certainly want to pick chris long. he would fill the hole right away and would be able to contribute immediately. however, that would be best only if dorsey was off the board by #3. if dorsey is there we have to take him.

sorry didnt know that. but i agree with you about dorsey 100% he's definitely the pick if hes there. right now my draft board for 3 is

1. dorsey

2. J. Long

3. C. Long

4. Sedrick Ellis

5. trade down

6. matt ryan

[Matthew Pritts]

Scott24Falcons (4/19/2008)

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Mr. Offseason (4/19/2008)

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if dorsey is there we have to take him.

This is exactly how I feel.  I'm a big fan of Chris Long, but if Dorsey is still on the board, he has to be the pick.

Agreed.

[nick h]

Matthew Pritts (4/19/2008)

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nick h (4/19/2008)

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what happens if abraham gets injured in training camp? the point is you have to look at whats best for the franchise in the future because we are not going to win a super bowl next year. we can still fill holes with our second round picks but chris long should be the number one pick and to get him at 3 would be sweet. with all this said im still praying dorsey lasts to 3 because he's just as talented and fills a major need.

But then you'd have 30MIL tied up at one position and what are you solving, what hole are you filliing by drafting the BPA when they are so many other much more glaring holes?

When you're in a reuilding situation like the Falcons, you don't go just BPA. YOu look to fill your needs w/players you feel fit the scheme the best. If it's BPA at a position of need and you fill he fits your scheme, by all means pull the trigger. But going BPA exclusively is not the way yo go rebuilding your franchise.

The only time you wanna go BPA is if you don't have any glaring holes.

we dont have another reliable pass rusher besides abraham. long would certainly fill that need

[Poster Large Johnson]

are you guys trying to trade every bit of the little bit of actual talent this team has/had?????

how about we add some talent

[Matthew Pritts]

nick h (4/19/2008)

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Matthew Pritts (4/19/2008)

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nick h (4/19/2008)

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what happens if abraham gets injured in training camp? the point is you have to look at whats best for the franchise in the future because we are not going to win a super bowl next year. we can still fill holes with our second round picks but chris long should be the number one pick and to get him at 3 would be sweet. with all this said im still praying dorsey lasts to 3 because he's just as talented and fills a major need.

But then you'd have 30MIL tied up at one position and what are you solving, what hole are you filliing by drafting the BPA when they are so many other much more glaring holes?

When you're in a reuilding situation like the Falcons, you don't go just BPA. YOu look to fill your needs w/players you feel fit the scheme the best. If it's BPA at a position of need and you fill he fits your scheme, by all means pull the trigger. But going BPA exclusively is not the way yo go rebuilding your franchise.

The only time you wanna go BPA is if you don't have any glaring holes.

we dont have another reliable pass rusher besides abraham. long would certainly fill that need

So you're calling Anderson a bust after one year, no?

I see.

[Matthew Pritts]

USCfalcons23 (4/19/2008)

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are you guys trying to trade every bit of the little bit of actual talent this team has/had?????

It was neccessary.

[nick h]

Matthew Pritts (4/19/2008)

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nick h (4/19/2008)

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Matthew Pritts (4/19/2008)

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nick h (4/19/2008)

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what happens if abraham gets injured in training camp? the point is you have to look at whats best for the franchise in the future because we are not going to win a super bowl next year. we can still fill holes with our second round picks but chris long should be the number one pick and to get him at 3 would be sweet. with all this said im still praying dorsey lasts to 3 because he's just as talented and fills a major need.

But then you'd have 30MIL tied up at one position and what are you solving, what hole are you filliing by drafting the BPA when they are so many other much more glaring holes?

When you're in a reuilding situation like the Falcons, you don't go just BPA. YOu look to fill your needs w/players you feel fit the scheme the best. If it's BPA at a position of need and you fill he fits your scheme, by all means pull the trigger. But going BPA exclusively is not the way yo go rebuilding your franchise.

The only time you wanna go BPA is if you don't have any glaring holes.

we dont have another reliable pass rusher besides abraham. long would certainly fill that need

So you're calling Anderson a bust after one year, no?

I see.

no im saying at this point in his career he is not much of a pass rush threat. im pretty sure you can agree with me on that? i think with mike smith around he becomes a solid defensive end but i sure wish we took okoye last year.