Some insight on Matt Ryan's INT's

[jes2400]

Here's part of an article I read in USA Today Sports Weekly.They were previewing the QB's for the draft.This is part of the piece on Ryan:[Ryan's ultra-competiveness comes through when he discusses having too many passes land in enemy hands."As a quarterback,you never want to turn it over.It's something I've definitly got to work on,"he says."At the same time, I don't want to lose my aggressiveness.You have to be willing to take some chances and throw the ball into tight windows.You have to know when to take the shot and when to choke back.One thing is for sure:Any mistakes Ryan made did not occur because he was rattled during critical situations.He was part of the most succesfull senior class in Boston College history.He will forever be remembered as "Matty Ice,"a moniker he relishes."I feel I play better when there is a lot of pressure and everything is flying around you,"he says.For me,that's when it gets good and it's fun."]I brought this up because the biggest complaint on this board about ryan is his 19INTs.Ron Jaworski in the article also noted Ryan's lack of reliable recievers,they weren't good at separating from DB's,and Ryan would force some throws.While I still don't want us to take him at 3 if we do I'll be okay with it.Some board members act as if this would be the worst thing in the world and I think thats overreacting.I feel better knowing a lot of those INT's were from trying to make plays and not from poor passing.If there was one flaw on Brett Farve it was him trying to mak plays by forcing balls into tight areas.That's why he had a lot of INT's,but he still had a hall of fame career and a superbowl ring.Am I saying Ryan is the next Farve?Of course not!But I think a lot of people are making too much out of his INT's.IF the Falcons pick him,let's rally behind him and hope he bring that aggresiveness to us.Our recievers won't have any trouble separating from the DB's!

[papi]

At this point ya either like him or ya dont. I Think everyones mind is made up and theres no amount of debate to change it.

[Bring It]

I posted similar facts a week ago and was hissed at and treated like a leper. You can try to explain this to this board but those who oppose Ryan don't want to be confused by the facts.

Since mankind has been on this planet he will believe what he wants to believe. Period.

[papi]

Bring It (4/18/2008)

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I posted similar facts a week ago and was hissed at and treated like a leper. You can try to explain this to this board but those who oppose Ryan don't want to be confused by the facts.

Since mankind has been on this planet he will believe what he wants to believe. Period.

Right, you either like him or you don't or some value him at 3 more than others.

[jes2400]

Bring It (4/18/2008)

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I posted similar facts a week ago and was hissed at and treated like a leper. You can try to explain this to this board but those who oppose Ryan don't want to be confused by the facts.

Since mankind has been on this planet he will believe what he wants to believe. Period.

Yeah I guess you're right,but I thought I'd post it anyway.Maybe someone will listen to reason.The only reason I don't want Ryan at three is because I want Dorsey,but if Dorsey and J.long are gone, then we should get Ryan.It is a position of need.I like C.Long too,but that is not a need.We should use that pick on a major need,and QB is a major need.

[rollow lawson]

grendel (4/18/2008)

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Bring It (4/18/2008)

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I posted similar facts a week ago and was hissed at and treated like a leper. You can try to explain this to this board but those who oppose Ryan don't want to be confused by the facts.

Since mankind has been on this planet he will believe what he wants to believe. Period.

Those aren't facts, they're excuses.

Amen!! Other QBs would be labeled as mistake prone, careless with the ball, and unable to read defenses. 

[JDB2688]

grendel (4/18/2008)

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10 of Ryan's first 14 INT's were on long passes. He simply doesn't have the arm required to drive the ball downfield. He'd be much better suited to a WCO, but that's not what we're running. The reason Favre could get away with playing like he did (and notice that he played much better last year when his coaching staff convinced him to play more conservatively and protect the ball) was because Brett Favre had an absolute cannon for an arm.

Bingo. It's ok for Favre to do it...he had the arm to fit it into those tight windows a lot of the time. Ryan doesn't. If Ryan thinks he can get away with trying to fit it into a tight window in the pros, he better work on his arm strength.

[SiViK_OuTkAsT™]

I wish he would slide in the draft worse than Brady last year.  It was uncomfortable watching that, and I wasn't getting drafted.  I would love to see the look on all the super analysts face if he slid to 17 or so...lol.  Wishful thinking.

[Jimusmc]

sivik_outkast (4/18/2008)

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I wish he would slide in the draft worse than Brady last year. It was uncomfortable watching that, and I wasn't getting drafted. I would love to see the look on all the super analysts face if he slid to 17 or so...lol. Wishful thinking.

id love to see ryans true love mayock's face

[SiViK_OuTkAsT™]

Matt Ryan is like Barack Obama, a ton of media hype, yet has the same old stinch of a bust to it. 

[Big Duke 6]

grendel (4/18/2008)

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10 of Ryan's first 14 INT's were on long passes. He simply doesn't have the arm required to drive the ball downfield. He'd be much better suited to a WCO, but that's not what we're running. The reason Favre could get away with playing like he did (and notice that he played much better last year when his coaching staff convinced him to play more conservatively and protect the ball) was because Brett Favre had an absolute cannon for an arm.

Brett favre threw more ints than anybody!He was pretty good.

[JDB2688]

bigduke633 (4/18/2008)

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grendel (4/18/2008)

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10 of Ryan's first 14 INT's were on long passes. He simply doesn't have the arm required to drive the ball downfield. He'd be much better suited to a WCO, but that's not what we're running. The reason Favre could get away with playing like he did (and notice that he played much better last year when his coaching staff convinced him to play more conservatively and protect the ball) was because Brett Favre had an absolute cannon for an arm.

Brett favre threw more ints than anybody!He was pretty good.

It's kinda laughable that you're comparing Ryan to Favre.

[Jimusmc]

JDB7821 (4/18/2008)

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bigduke633 (4/18/2008)

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grendel (4/18/2008)

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10 of Ryan's first 14 INT's were on long passes. He simply doesn't have the arm required to drive the ball downfield. He'd be much better suited to a WCO, but that's not what we're running. The reason Favre could get away with playing like he did (and notice that he played much better last year when his coaching staff convinced him to play more conservatively and protect the ball) was because Brett Favre had an absolute cannon for an arm.

Brett favre threw more ints than anybody!He was pretty good.

It's kinda laughable that you're comparing Ryan to Favre.

they're already tried comparing Marino to ryan.

[SiViK_OuTkAsT™]

So if Ryan is like Favre, then we should draft him, Ryan should start drinking heavily, we trade him and then

No thanks, Ryan isn't like Favre.  No matter how many INT's he throws. 

[SiViK_OuTkAsT™]

Favres' little ring on his finger begs to differ about the INT's as well.

[scott hartley]

I can't remember the last time people were trying to justify 18 interceptions by blaming it on the receivers.

Where were you people when Michael Vick was getting constantly attacked??

Were you blaming it on the receivers and the o-line?

Or were you just saying Vick can't pass because he is stupid and black and runs too fast?

[scott hartley]

sivik_outkast (4/18/2008)

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So if Ryan is like Favre, then we should draft him, Ryan should start drinking heavily, we trade him and then

No thanks, Ryan isn't like Favre. No matter how many INT's he throws.

awesome.

[SiViK_OuTkAsT™]

scott hartley (4/18/2008)

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I can't remember the last time people were trying to justify 18 interceptions by blaming it on the receivers.

Where were you people when Michael Vick was getting constantly attacked??

Were you blaming it on the receivers and the o-line?

Or were you just saying Vick can't pass because he is stupid and black and runs too fast?

You hit the nail on the head so much right there, you just built a house! :w00t:

[scott hartley]

sivik_outkast (4/18/2008)

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scott hartley (4/18/2008)

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I can't remember the last time people were trying to justify 18 interceptions by blaming it on the receivers.

Where were you people when Michael Vick was getting constantly attacked??

Were you blaming it on the receivers and the o-line?

Or were you just saying Vick can't pass because he is stupid and black and runs too fast?

You hit the nail on the head so much right there, you just built a house! :w00t:

thanks. It just came to me. I think it easier to make excuses for interceptions in the NFL than it is in college. But when you have multiple INT games against teams like Wake Forest, Maryland, and ARMY well I just don't want to hear it.

Joe Flacco threw 4 td's and 0 picks against NAVY and he didn't say it was because his receivers were so awesome.

[pured-hallfan]

jes2400 (4/18/2008)

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Here's part of an article I read in USA Today Sports Weekly.They were previewing the QB's for the draft.This is part of the piece on Ryan:[Ryan's ultra-competiveness comes through when he discusses having too many passes land in enemy hands."As a quarterback,you never want to turn it over.It's something I've definitly got to work on,"he says."At the same time, I don't want to lose my aggressiveness.You have to be willing to take some chances and throw the ball into tight windows.You have to know when to take the shot and when to choke back.One thing is for sure:Any mistakes Ryan made did not occur because he was rattled during critical situations.He was part of the most succesfull senior class in Boston College history.He will forever be remembered as "Matty Ice,"a moniker he relishes."I feel I play better when there is a lot of pressure and everything is flying around you,"he says.For me,that's when it gets good and it's fun."]I brought this up because the biggest complaint on this board about ryan is his 19INTs.Ron Jaworski in the article also noted Ryan's lack of reliable recievers,they weren't good at separating from DB's,and Ryan would force some throws.While I still don't want us to take him at 3 if we do I'll be okay with it.Some board members act as if this would be the worst thing in the world and I think thats overreacting.I feel better knowing a lot of those INT's were from trying to make plays and not from poor passing.If there was one flaw on Brett Farve it was him trying to mak plays by forcing balls into tight areas.That's why he had a lot of INT's,but he still had a hall of fame career and a superbowl ring.Am I saying Ryan is the next Farve?Of course not!But I think a lot of people are making too much out of his INT's.IF the Falcons pick him,let's rally behind him and hope he bring that aggresiveness to us.Our recievers won't have any trouble separating from the DB's!

HE is garabge just sa yno TD

[IHateThe Cowboys!]

scott hartley (4/18/2008)

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sivik_outkast (4/18/2008)

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scott hartley (4/18/2008)

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I can't remember the last time people were trying to justify 18 interceptions by blaming it on the receivers.

Where were you people when Michael Vick was getting constantly attacked??

Were you blaming it on the receivers and the o-line?

Or were you just saying Vick can't pass because he is stupid and black and runs too fast?

You hit the nail on the head so much right there, you just built a house! :w00t:

thanks. It just came to me. I think it easier to make excuses for interceptions in the NFL than it is in college. But when you have multiple INT games against teams like Wake Forest, Maryland, and ARMY well I just don't want to hear it.

Joe Flacco threw 4 td's and 0 picks against NAVY and he didn't say it was because his receivers were so awesome.

 iagree, it is all on the QB, and that is why I am glad (he who should not be mentioned) is in prison and I don't have to watch as many interceptions and fumbles next year.

[Eric Obraiden]

grendel (4/18/2008)

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10 of Ryan's first 14 INT's were on long passes. He simply doesn't have the arm required to drive the ball downfield. He'd be much better suited to a WCO, but that's not what we're running. The reason Favre could get away with playing like he did (and notice that he played much better last year when his coaching staff convinced him to play more conservatively and protect the ball) was because Brett Favre had an absolute cannon for an arm.

His arm strength is fine--not a brett favre, but more than adequate. In fact the knock on Peyton coming out was lack of cannon--lots of folks had leaf rated higher because of his "cannon"

I'm not getting into another huge discussion over Ryan, but he's not a system guy. Too many folks, including myself, have watched him. He's a talent. And he's smart. Mularkey is a good coach and most of those INTs can be corrected with good coaching.

His arm is as good as Brohm.

That being said, i feel confident that this new regime will pick THEIR QB, regardless of our little inputs and snippets.