Chris Long

[momak]

Should we take him?

i say yes because he will be an all pro and the best defensive player in the draft.

he has a motor and shows heart every game. Also look what the Giants did with Tuck.

[BlacksburgHokie]

momak (4/14/2008)

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Should we take him?

i say yes because he will be an all pro and the best defensive player in the draft.

he has a motor and shows heart every game. Also look what the Giants did with Tuck.

The difference is that Tuck is a situational player - what you would expect to get from a 3rd round pick. Even if we draft Long, where do we play him? Do we bump Anderson and pay him starting money to play 25-30% of the snaps? Do we pay Long top-3 money to play the same role? Do we play Abraham out of position at LB just so we can get our two highly-drafted LE's on the field together?

[momak]

grendel (4/14/2008)

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BlacksburgHokie (4/14/2008)

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momak (4/14/2008)

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Should we take him?

i say yes because he will be an all pro and the best defensive player in the draft.

he has a motor and shows heart every game. Also look what the Giants did with Tuck.

The difference is that Tuck is a situational player - what you would expect to get from a 3rd round pick. Even if we draft Long, where do we play him? Do we bump Anderson and pay him starting money to play 25-30% of the snaps? Do we pay Long top-3 money to play the same role? Do we play Abraham out of position at LB just so we can get our two highly-drafted LE's on the field together?

Tuck just got a $60 million contract. Start from there, not his original draft spot.

We'd have situational personnel packages, and both Anderson and Long would be on the field a majority of snaps. Abe would get some rest, we'd have a 3 pronged pass rush that would create mismatches and havoc in backfield. We'd have better run support with Long replacing Abe on running downs. We'd also be protected from a huge dropoff in the case of an injury, like we've seen 2 out of the last 3 seasons. All in all it's one of the best moves we could make.

im thinking the same thing

just imagine if Abe goes down again who will rush the passer? and how will our secondary hold up considering no more D hall

[theDIRTYcode]

I would like to personally kick Rich McKay in the ##### for passing on Amobi Okoye last year and taking Jamal Anderson. Had we took Amboi, we could do no wrong with the third pick.

[Quarterback]

theDIRTYcode (4/14/2008)

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I would like to personally kick Rich McKay in the ##### for passing on Amobi Okoye last year and taking Jamal Anderson. Had we took Amboi, we could do no wrong with the third pick.

Great point!

[Matthew Pritts]

Absoluetly not.

It'd be a wasted pick.

And quit comapring us w/the Giants, people! Two totally different schemes. They run a speed scheme, we now run a scheme based on the DT's plugging the middle allowing the LB's to roam free.

[Matthew Pritts]

theDIRTYcode (4/14/2008)

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I would like to personally kick Rich McKay in the ##### for passing on Amobi Okoye last year and taking Jamal Anderson. Had we took Amboi, we could do no wrong with the third pick.

So are you calling Anderson a bust?

[Quarterback]

"Should we take him?"

Absolutely!  Not only is he, Long, and perhaps Dorsey the best three psospects in the draft, he is the next Patrick Kerney--possibly better--and I've seen nothing to change my mind or offer hope that Anderson is either a bust or has a low ceiling.

The argument that we already have Anderson as a reason not to draft possibly the best talent in the draft is weak and shallow.

 

[momak]

Matthew Pritts (4/14/2008)

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Absoluetly not.

It'd be a wasted pick.

And quit comapring us w/the Giants, people! Two totally different schemes. They run a speed scheme, we now run a scheme based on the DT's plugging the middle allowing the LB's to roam free.

We still need a year or 2 to see if JA turns out

[BlacksburgHokie]

grendel (4/14/2008)

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BlacksburgHokie (4/14/2008)

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momak (4/14/2008)

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Should we take him?

i say yes because he will be an all pro and the best defensive player in the draft.

he has a motor and shows heart every game. Also look what the Giants did with Tuck.

The difference is that Tuck is a situational player - what you would expect to get from a 3rd round pick. Even if we draft Long, where do we play him? Do we bump Anderson and pay him starting money to play 25-30% of the snaps? Do we pay Long top-3 money to play the same role? Do we play Abraham out of position at LB just so we can get our two highly-drafted LE's on the field together?

Tuck just got a $60 million contract. Start from there, not his original draft spot.

We'd have situational personnel packages, and both Anderson and Long would be on the field a majority of snaps. Abe would get some rest, we'd have a 3 pronged pass rush that would create mismatches and havoc in backfield. We'd have better run support with Long replacing Abe on running downs. We'd also be protected from a huge dropoff in the case of an injury, like we've seen 2 out of the last 3 seasons. All in all it's one of the best moves we could make.

Tuck signed a 5 year 30 million dollar extension. Not sure exactly how that adds up to 60 million dollars. Long would probably get around 30 million guaranteed...

So basically we would have spent a first round pick 2 years ago for a dominant pass rusher in his prime who would now spend the majority of snaps sitting on the bench? Who is going to put pressure on the QB if Abraham is out of the game and Anderson doesn't develop a better selection of moves?

[SINIK4L]

Quarterback (4/14/2008)

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"Should we take him?"

Absolutely! Not only is he, Long, and perhaps Dorsey the best three psospects in teh draft, he is the next Patrick Kerney--possibly better--and I've seen nothing to change my mine or offer hope that Anderson is either a bust or has a low ceiling.

The argument that we already have Anderson as a reason not to draft possibly the best talent in the draft is weak and shallow.

DMC is considered one of the best talents in the draft... should we take him?

And just for the record I'm torn on C.Long. I'm not for it or against it. I think it would be a little pointless to spend another 1st on a DE, then again we do have a walking injury waiting to happen in Abe.

[Matthew Pritts]

momak (4/14/2008)

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Matthew Pritts (4/14/2008)

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Absoluetly not.

It'd be a wasted pick.

And quit comapring us w/the Giants, people! Two totally different schemes. They run a speed scheme, we now run a scheme based on the DT's plugging the middle allowing the LB's to roam free.

We still need a year or 2 to see if JA turns out

Exactly.

Which is why taking him would be a wasted pick.

[theDIRTYcode]

No he's not a bust. However, had we taken Amobi(who had a far better year than Jamal) we would be sitting pretty right now. We would have our pick of Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey and Chris Long and any one of them would fill a need.

[Matthew Pritts]

falkonX7 (4/14/2008)

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Quarterback (4/14/2008)

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"Should we take him?"

Absolutely! Not only is he, Long, and perhaps Dorsey the best three psospects in teh draft, he is the next Patrick Kerney--possibly better--and I've seen nothing to change my mine or offer hope that Anderson is either a bust or has a low ceiling.

The argument that we already have Anderson as a reason not to draft possibly the best talent in the draft is weak and shallow.

DMC is considered one of the best talents in the draft... should we take him?

And just for the record I'm torn on C.Long. I'm not for it or against it. I think it would be a little pointless to spend another 1st on a DE, then again we do have a walking injury waiting to happen in Abe.

And if we took Long we'd have around $30MIL tied up at the DE position.

No way! Successful teams aren't built that way.

[JRob215]

Matthew Pritts (4/14/2008)

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Absoluetly not.

It'd be a wasted pick.

And quit comapring us w/the Giants, people! Two totally different schemes. They run a speed scheme, we now run a scheme based on the DT's plugging the middle allowing the LB's to roam free.

THANK YOU! I've been making that point forever.

What we could hope for in this situation is multiple teams having to bid against each other to trade up, because there has to be competition for us to have good leverage. If we can't trade down, I'd go with Sedrick Ellis, and then trade up into the late first for Brohm.

[Matthew Pritts]

theDIRTYcode (4/14/2008)

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No he's not a bust. However, had we taken Amobi(who had a far better year than Jamal) we would be sitting pretty right now. We would have our pick of Jake Long, Glenn Dorsey and Chris Long and any one of them would fill a need.

Ok, that's fair and I agree from that standpoint.

But to pick him now would be a waste and we'd have nearly 30 MIL in the DE position.

[Matthew Pritts]

JRob215 (4/14/2008)

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Matthew Pritts (4/14/2008)

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Absoluetly not.

It'd be a wasted pick.

And quit comapring us w/the Giants, people! Two totally different schemes. They run a speed scheme, we now run a scheme based on the DT's plugging the middle allowing the LB's to roam free.

THANK YOU! I've been making that point forever.

What we could hope for in this situation is multiple teams having to bid against each other to trade up, because there has to be competition for us to have good leverage. If we can't trade down, I'd go with Sedrick Ellis, and then trade up into the late first for Brohm.

That's my scenario as well. Ellis.

But if we can trade down w/the Jets at 6, I'd take Brohm there.

[SINIK4L]

Matthew Pritts (4/14/2008)

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But if we can trade down w/the Jets at 6, I'd take Brohm there.

That would be a huge reach IMO.

[muskokas finest ©]

Still would prefer Ellis, but am starting to like the idea a little. Chris Long adds some intensity and pedigree, plus marquee value, albeit at a crowded position. I might be thinking this just because I hate the thought of burning 3rd overall on Matt Ryan

[momak]

If Abe gets injured who will rush the passer?

If we get Chris Long we can have a great rotation at DE.

Also we have to get help on the D line if we cant get pressure our secondary will be exposed

[Quarterback]

falkonX7 (4/14/2008)

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Quarterback (4/14/2008)

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"Should we take him?"

Absolutely! Not only is he, Long, and perhaps Dorsey the best three psospects in teh draft, he is the next Patrick Kerney--possibly better--and I've seen nothing to change my mine or offer hope that Anderson is either a bust or has a low ceiling.

The argument that we already have Anderson as a reason not to draft possibly the best talent in the draft is weak and shallow.

DMC is considered one of the best talents in the draft... should we draft him?

No!  And this isn't a sound analogy as you only usually play one tailback versus two defensive ends and neither the starter, Turner, or his projected backup/alternate has the same question mark as does Anderson.

[Matthew Pritts]

momak (4/14/2008)

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If Abe gets injured who will rush the passer?

If we get Chris Long we can have a great rotation at DE.

Also we have to get help on the D line if we cant get pressure our secondary will be exposed

You'd have 30 MIL tied up at one position. Where's the rest of the $$ going?

[momak]

if we did draft Chris Long in round 1

we could draft DT OT MLB/QB in round 2

then QB/MLB and CB in round 3

[Matthew Pritts]

falkonX7 (4/14/2008)

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Matthew Pritts (4/14/2008)

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But if we can trade down w/the Jets at 6, I'd take Brohm there.

That would be a huge reach IMO.

Disagree.

The only reason he's slipped is b/c people are overrating Ryan, have overevaluated and underrated Brohm, and b/c Louisville sucked last year through no fault of Brohm. THat was all on the defense. Brohm is the reason they even went 6-6.

[SINIK4L]

grendel (4/14/2008)

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falkonX7 (4/14/2008)

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Matthew Pritts (4/14/2008)

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But if we can trade down w/the Jets at 6, I'd take Brohm there.

That would be a huge reach IMO.

Last year he was a consensus top-10 pick. This year he put up his best numbers and... now he's a reach in the top 10? Uh, ok.

It's just my opinion, you don't have to agree. I'm not one of the experts who made him a top 10 pick one year and then slid him to the bottom of the first (or maybe even 2nd) the next year. If I could have any QB it would be Brohm, but just like I don't think Ryan is worth a top 10 pick, I don't think Brohm is either.