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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

You are so off base here.

(as always)

The "politics of anger" - what a joke.

There is a reason that Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc, are called the "rust belt". It is because they have been forgotten since the 70's. They get pandered to every 4 years and then ignored otherwise. That's what this is about. So when they find out that they can not rely on Washington they turn to other things.

Karl Rove understood this better than anyone else. You apparently do not.

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

That's exactly why people are bitter and why Hill and McCain are so scared.

They see someone who actually brings hope with him to people. They've got to kill that #####.

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

You are so off base here.

(as always)

The "politics of anger" - what a joke.

There is a reason that Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc, are called the "rust belt". It is because they have been forgotten since the 70's. They get pandered to every 4 years and then ignored otherwise. That's what this is about. So when they find out that they can not rely on Washington they turn to other things.

Karl Rove understood this better than anyone else. You apparently do not.

I obviously have a much greater grasp on the issue than you. Perhaps you can sober up from your Obama drunkeness, and look at this objectively at some point.

And by the way, that area is called the "rust belt" because of the heavy industries, such as steel and automotive, that were and still are, concentrated in those areas. But people were leaving in droves from those industries decades ago when the Japanese began kicking the butts of the US manufacturers, and unions made the price of recovery too great. Well, we're seeing it again with poor strategic decisions, and prohibitive employment costs.

So Obama's going to incite the rage of the masses on the back of economic fear, with him as the great "savior of the common man".

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DomeGnome (4/12/2008)

That's exactly why people are bitter and why Hill and McCain are so scared.

They see someone who actually brings hope with him to people. They've got to kill that #####.

And taxing people to the hilt and GIVING things to people instead of them EARNING it is the solution?

I'll pass...

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

That's exactly why people are bitter and why Hill and McCain are so scared.

They see someone who actually brings hope with him to people. They've got to kill that #####.

Do you actually read or contemplate what you write?

Do you realize he was trying to explain away a comment he made that his opponents and the media had jumped on as being arrogant and condescending to a key constituency? He's spinning away, and you're lapping it up like he just discovered the meaning of life.

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

That's exactly why people are bitter and why Hill and McCain are so scared.

They see someone who actually brings hope with him to people. They've got to kill that #####.

Do you actually read or contemplate what you write?

Do you realize he was trying to explain away a comment he made that his opponents and the media had jumped on as being arrogant and condescending to a key constituency? He's spinning away, and you're lapping it up like he just discovered the meaning of life.

Yeah, you lap up that SaunHanittyFauxNews dribble like a melting ice cream cone don't you?

Some in the media get it though.

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

That's exactly why people are bitter and why Hill and McCain are so scared.

They see someone who actually brings hope with him to people. They've got to kill that #####.

Do you actually read or contemplate what you write?

Do you realize he was trying to explain away a comment he made that his opponents and the media had jumped on as being arrogant and condescending to a key constituency? He's spinning away, and you're lapping it up like he just discovered the meaning of life.

Yeah, you lap up that SaunHanittyFauxNews dribble like a melting ice cream cone don't you?

Some in the media get it though.

You assume much, and reveal even more. I couldn't tell you which channel Fox News is on my cable box. And the fact you would cite three political spinsters from CNN is very telling as to how you derive knowledge and support for your candidates position.
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DomeGnome (4/12/2008)

That's exactly why people are bitter and why Hill and McCain are so scared.

They see someone who actually brings hope with him to people. They've got to kill that #####.

And taxing people to the hilt and GIVING things to people instead of them EARNING it is the solution?

I'll pass...

Passing crap trade deals and incentifying business to move jobs overseas hasn't seemed to help the problem for decades. Maybe it's time we saw some patriotism in putting people to work here instead of waving aour flag on the end of a spear.

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

That's exactly why people are bitter and why Hill and McCain are so scared.

They see someone who actually brings hope with him to people. They've got to kill that #####.

They have tried to assassinate his character.

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DomeGnome (4/12/2008)

Passing crap trade deals and incentifying business to move jobs overseas hasn't seemed to help the problem for decades. Maybe it's time we saw some patriotism in putting people to work here instead of waving aour flag on the end of a spear.

That's a nice emotional response and all but it hardly addresses the issue I raised...

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DomeGnome (4/12/2008)

Passing crap trade deals and incentifying business to move jobs overseas hasn't seemed to help the problem for decades. Maybe it's time we saw some patriotism in putting people to work here instead of waving aour flag on the end of a spear.

The people have a lot of mirror looking to do if they want to see exaclty why we're in the state we're in. 

Don't like the fact that manufacturing jobs are the only thing America exports overseas?  Don't buy cheap crap made in China and Taiwan. Buy American and American jobs are created.  Complaining about a lack of jobs and shopping at Wal-Mart doesn't denote much understanding of the problem. 

Don't like the fact that people are losing their shirts on bad mortgages left and right?  Don't mortgage yourself for 3/4 of a million dollars to buy a house you can't afford.  Don't get caught up in credit card debt to live a lifestyle you can't afford.

Don't like the fact that we go to war over oil company interests?  Don't use gasoline.  Or at least don't use more than we can produce here.

People are looking for politicians to solve problems that come about through choices they've made.  "We've screwed ourselves, but instead of un-screwing ourselves we want a fresh politician to tell us he has all the answers.  And above all, we want him to tell us that no personal sacrifice will have to be made to fix these problems."

It's typical politics. 

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DomeGnome (4/12/2008)

Passing crap trade deals and incentifying business to move jobs overseas hasn't seemed to help the problem for decades. Maybe it's time we saw some patriotism in putting people to work here instead of waving aour flag on the end of a spear.

The people have a lot of mirror looking to do if they want to see exaclty why we're in the state we're in. 

Don't like the fact that manufacturing jobs are the only thing America exports overseas?  Don't buy cheap crap made in China and Taiwan. Buy American and American jobs are created.  Complaining about a lack of jobs and shopping at Wal-Mart doesn't denote much understanding of the problem. 

Don't like the fact that people are losing their shirts on bad mortgages left and right?  Don't mortgage yourself for 3/4 of a million dollars to buy a house you can't afford.  Don't get caught up in credit card debt to live a lifestyle you can't afford.

Don't like the fact that we go to war over oil company interests?  Don't use gasoline.  Or at least don't use more than we can produce here.

People are looking for politicians to solve problems that come about through choices they've made.  "We've screwed ourselves, but instead of un-screwing ourselves we want a fresh politician to tell us he has all the answers.  And above all, we want him to tell us that no personal sacrifice will have to be made to fix these problems."

It's typical politics. 

Obama has said many time he can not fix the problems by himself, it will take the efforts of all Americans to really bring about CHANGE.

So maybe he isn't the typical politician.

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DomeGnome (4/12/2008)

Passing crap trade deals and incentifying business to move jobs overseas hasn't seemed to help the problem for decades. Maybe it's time we saw some patriotism in putting people to work here instead of waving aour flag on the end of a spear.

That's a nice emotional response and all but it hardly addresses the issue I raised...

Sorry, I chose to respond to reality instead of your canned bit of misinformation.

Your original response ignored the fact that Obama has clearly and consistently campaigned for lower taxes and financial incentives directed to the middle class.

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Steve_Bartkowski (4/12/2008)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Instead of debating the facts you go back to "CHANGE". OMG! It fits to a tee:

Newt Gingrich would be proud.

When you have nothing left to say demonize your opponent and question their patriotism.

laughable.

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DomeGnome (4/12/2008)

Your original response ignored the fact that Obama has clearly and consistently campaigned for lower taxes and financial incentives directed to the middle class.

There's more people in this country than just the middle class. Those "incentives" are simply redistributions from those who are already paying way too much in taxes as it is. By the way, part of his tax plan is based on increasing capital gains and dividends taxes. I know many upper middle class people that have mutual funds, etc. that will suffer as a result. Not a good incentive IMO.

Color it any way you want to, all he's doing is making the burden even heavier for those who pay a vast majority of the taxes already. If you don't think that will affect growth, job markets, etc. then you are fooling yourself...

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Steve_Bartkowski (4/12/2008)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Instead of debating the facts you go back to "CHANGE". OMG! It fits to a tee:

Newt Gingrich would be proud.

When you have nothing left to say demonize your opponent and question their patriotism.

laughable.

Every one of those people on the stage have turned their backs on old glory!!! They should be facing the flag to be real patriots and have their hand over their heart for the Star Spangled Banner and not just the Pledge of Allegiance.

Some people confuse nationalism with patriotism. Our brothers in the right wing have come to know a brand of nationalism that they call patriotism, but in reality it is blind obedience to, and total endorsement of, every aspect of their country and government, and is not related to REAL patriotism.

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

Try the "politics of hope"

I guess he was so condescending that they gave him a standing ovation

It was the kool aid they passed out before the speech, it gave him mind control powers over the people. lol

Sorry, I just had to post SB's response before he had a chance.

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deathdawg (4/12/2008)Obama has said many time he can not fix the problems by himself, it will take the efforts of all Americans to really bringabout CHANGE.

So maybe he isn't the typical politician.

Do you REALLY believe this?

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country" - JFK

"What kind of nation we will be, what kind of world we will live in, whether we shape the future in the image of our hopes, is ours to determine by our actions and our choices." - Nixon

"All great change in America begins at the dinner table" - Reagan

"We need to empower our people so they can take more responsibility for their own lives in a world that is ever smaller, where everyone counts. We need a new spirit of community, a sense that we are all in this together, or the American Dream will continue to wither. Our destiny is bound up with the destiny of every other American." - Bill Clinton

You're right, Obama is a completely "new breed" of politician. :ermm:

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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

Try the "politics of hope"

I guess he was so condescending that they gave him a standing ovation

I rest my case.
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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
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ATLBear (4/12/2008)
Bush mastered the "politics of fear".

Obama is mastering the "politics of anger".

The two items they have in common are politics and emotion. Neither equate to good government, only demagoguery.

Try the "politics of hope"

I guess he was so condescending that they gave him a standing ovation

I rest my case.

case?

lol

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