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I know we defenitly need a LT, but besides that, do we really have as terrible of an O-line as everyone says??

I think that the FO is only going to target 1 early O-lineman this year, with some late rnd guys to develop as well.

This is how i see our starting O-line next season:

Wiener/Blaylock/Mclure/Forney/Rookie(im a big fan or Chelrious or Nicks)

and we could look at guys like Chilo Rachal,Tony hills,Kirk barton, and other 2nd day players too bring in for the future..

But realisticly, the FO is not going to have more than 1 rookie starting on the line.

Last year our line was hit hard by injuries, that made our O-line seem terrible, but if we bring in some good depth, another potential starter, and stay healthy, I think we will improve alot

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monoxide (3/28/2008)
It's the injuries that killed us. Justin Blalock was an absolute monster in college, with super human strength, and he'll definetly live up to his potential soon. Call me crazy, but Todd Weiner still has a year or 2 left in him, I believe in him. Tyson Clabo showed great signs last year, and could fit in at right guard, opposite of Blalock. Stepanovich I think will compete with McClure, the center shouldn't be an issue with all the depth (Step, McClure, Datish, Wilkerson). If we don't get Long in the first, or trade down to Clady, we will get somebody in the 2nd. Either Collins, Cherilus, or Baker. Carl Nicks is also a possibility later on.

Thats what im saying....We need better depth and another starter at either LT or RT...im hoping wiener can play LT another season, and we can draft a RT since thier are so many good ones this year..

I'll take a guy like Cherilus,Nicks, or collins any day

We have our LG, Center is okay for another year, RG will be ok with Forney and Clabo, Depending on where Wiener plays on the line Either LT or RT, we need a starter opposiote him.

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Yes, our oline was horrible last year, and i agree some of it was due to injuries, training and eating habits (apparently for the last few years they were under weight restrictions)

so we never had a consistant cohesive group and imo you need consistancy with the line so they can work together as that imo is what makes a solid line!!

now having said that we sooooo need more talent on the line .....so draft away TD and lets let them battle it out for starting spots!! and see where that takes us

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LT - Sam Baker(Not a mauler, but a great pass blocker that can learn from Weiner and eventually start)

LG- Blalock - Should improve technique in 2nd year and better hand use. Has to learn strength alone won't get him by in the NFL

C - McClure and Step battle(McClure probably wins)

RG - Rachal(Mauler and great run blocker that is a technician in the passing game)

RT - Clabo or Foster?????? Foster is stronger and is a mauler, but is coming off a knee injury. Clabo has more experience and played pretty well at RT. I think Foster would play better at the right side than left side anyways. I thnk they battle and the best man wins.

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Yes, the O-Line is that bad!!! Here's some stats which prove how poorly they played in 2007

Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Line Yards. Based on regression analysis, the Adjusted Line Yards formula takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line based on the following percentages:

  • Losses: 120% value
  • 0-4 Yards: 100% value
  • 5-10 Yards: 50% value
  • 11+ Yards: 0% value

These numbers are then adjusted based on down, distance, situation, and opponent, and normalized so that the league average for Adjusted Line Yards per carry is the same as the league average for RB yards per carry (current baseline: 4.08). These stats are explained further here.

The following stats are not adjusted for opponent:

  • RB Yards: Yards per carry by that team's running backs, according to standard NFL numbers.
  • 10+ Yards: Percentage of a team's rushing yards more than 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. Represents yardage not reflected in Adjusted Line Yards stat.
  • Power Success: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. Also includes runs on first-and-goal or second-and-goal from the two-yard line or closer. This is the only statistic on this page that includes quarterbacks.
  • Stuffed: Percentage of runs that result in (on first down) zero or negative gain or (on second through fourth down) less than one-fourth the yards needed for another first down. Since being stuffed is bad, teams are ranked from stuffed least often (#1) to most often (#32).

NFL averages for each stat given in red.

Why are these rankings different from the team offense DVOA ratings for rushing? Among other reasons, they don't include quarterbacks or fumbles, long runs are truncated, and a different set of adjustments is used, attempting to isolate line play rather than total team offense.

A team with a high ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a low ranking in 10+ Yards is heavily dependent on its offensive line to make the running game work. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in 10+ Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work.

However, it is important to understand that these ratings only somewhatseparate the offensive line from the running backs. A team with a very good running back will appear higher no matter how bad their line, and a team with a great line with appear lower if the running back is terrible.

Stats in blue represent pass blocking. Teams are ranked according to adjusted sack rate, which gives sacks per pass attempt adjusted for opponent, down, and distance. Pass blocking stats are explained further here. Our sack totals may differ slightly from official NFL totals depending on the league's retroactive statistical adjustments.

RUN BLOCKINGPASS PROTECTION
TEAMAdj. Line

Yards 

RB

Yards

Power

Success

Power

Rank

10+

Yards

10+

Rank

StuffedStuffed

Rank

TEAMSack

Rank

SacksAdj.

Sack Rate

1NE4.734.2570%911%2620%3GB1193.1%
2NYG4.624.7970%720%820%5CIN2173.2%
3CLE4.624.4664%1517%1520%4NO3163.6%
4PHI4.534.7374%419%1225%21NE4214.1%
5IND4.514.0378%19%3121%6CLE5194.2%
6TB4.494.1059%2313%2119%2IND6234.2%
7NO4.393.8666%139%3022%8DAL7254.5%
8ARI4.343.7065%148%3222%10SD8244.6%
9TEN4.333.9071%612%2321%7ARI9244.7%
10HOU4.333.9169%1013%2218%1HOU10224.8%
11SF4.284.3157%2415%1924%15NYG11285.0%
12CIN4.253.9073%510%2724%17WAS12295.1%
13DEN4.254.6349%3223%625%20BUF13265.4%
14DAL4.224.3168%1220%1126%24DEN14325.9%
15MIN4.215.4376%232%127%28CAR15336.4%
16OAK4.174.2155%2516%1827%29TEN16306.6%
RUN BLOCKINGPASS PROTECTION
TEAMAdj. Line

Yards 

RB

Yards

Power

Success

Power

Rank

10+

Yards

10+

Rank

StuffedStuffed

Rank

TEAMSack

Rank

SacksAdj.

Sack Rate

17WAS4.143.7360%2210%2824%16JAC17316.9%
18JAC4.144.8161%1828%226%23CHI18437.1%
19PIT4.124.2160%2119%1324%14SEA19377.1%
20CAR4.114.0763%1614%2025%22MIA20427.4%
21NYJ4.103.8850%3112%2522%9PHI21497.6%
22MIA4.094.2270%817%1623%12BAL22397.6%
23DET4.034.1450%2920%926%25ATL23477.9%
24SD3.984.5261%1926%430%30TB24367.9%
25BUF3.983.9751%2816%1723%11STL25488.1%
26GB3.954.4950%3027%324%13DET26548.3%
27BAL3.844.0268%1118%1424%19OAK27418.5%
28STL3.753.9854%2622%726%26MIN28388.7%
29SEA3.743.9352%2720%1032%32KC29559.1%
30CHI3.723.3575%39%2924%18NYJ30539.3%
31KC3.613.3761%2012%2427%27PIT314710.1%
32ATL3.524.0262%1724%532%31SF325510.3%
xNFLx4.1763%x18%x24%xNFLx346.4%

The second table lists each team's Adjusted Line Yards in each direction listed in official NFL play-by-play, along with rank among the 32 teams. Only five directions are listed because research so far shows no statistically significant difference between how well a team performs on runs listed middle, left guard, and right guard. It's early in the season, so take these numbers with a grain of salt.

  LEFT ENDLEFT TACKLEMID/GUARDRIGHT TACKLERIGHT END
 TEAMALYRankALYRankALYRankALYRankALYRank
1NE4.48114.9954.7524.6574.3910
2NYG4.8574.37144.7034.46124.873
3CLE5.9715.1434.3584.7335.072
4PHI5.3026.0014.20144.58103.6624
5IND3.70245.8524.6354.18184.518
6TB4.07164.41124.6344.6584.0517
7NO4.05173.47304.9813.98233.7721
8ARI3.80224.40134.29104.7244.2713
9TEN3.88204.9264.4473.73273.8420
10HOU4.9244.35154.21134.6754.1015
11SF3.29264.34164.27114.6094.0916
12CIN4.09154.20204.6063.24314.824
13DEN4.8854.7883.86253.81264.726
14DAL2.70314.6193.79274.9525.151
15MIN4.68104.21194.3294.09213.4028
16OAK3.71234.53114.02204.44134.1814
  LEFT ENDLEFT TACKLEMID/GUARDRIGHT TACKLERIGHT END
 TEAMALYRankALYRankALYRankALYRankALYRank
17WAS4.12144.8374.11164.11203.7622
18JAC4.8563.73274.13155.0613.2631
19PIT4.7594.55103.73284.54114.3412
20CAR5.2433.78263.86234.16194.725
21NYJ3.48253.30314.22124.38154.0518
22MIA3.86215.0543.86243.84244.637
23DET4.24134.31173.79264.02223.8619
24SD4.36123.67283.97223.60294.3911
25BUF2.80293.90234.02194.6563.4826
26GB3.98183.98224.10174.23173.4527
27BAL4.8184.13213.69314.33162.8932
28STL2.75303.22324.08183.68283.5925
29SEA3.95193.86243.70303.83253.3230
30CHI2.83283.61293.70294.43143.7423
31KC2.32324.30184.01213.42303.4029
32ATL3.25273.79253.40323.20324.489
xNFL4.06x4.35x4.15x4.23x4.05x

The third table lists how often each team runs in each direction. Numbers may not add up to 100% due to carries listed without direction.

TeamRB CarriesLEFT

END

LEFT

TACKLE

MID/

GUARD

RIGHT

TACKLE

RIGHT

END

1PIT4539%17%53%16%5%
2OAK44812%18%38%18%13%
3WAS44623%13%39%13%12%
4JAC44510%6%70%4%10%
5SD44017%16%48%8%10%
6TEN4386%12%61%15%5%
7NYG43412%18%39%20%11%
8MIN43115%13%52%8%13%
9IND41717%12%40%12%18%
10CAR4069%12%50%15%13%
11BAL4048%10%63%11%8%
12BUF4038%17%51%17%6%
13NE3997%16%58%14%5%
14CLE3964%17%60%14%4%
15TB3888%11%57%10%13%
16CHI3849%17%42%17%14%
TeamRB CarriesLEFT

END

LEFT

TACKLE

MID/

GUARD

RIGHT

TACKLE

RIGHT

END

17SEA38413%15%43%19%10%
18DAL3816%20%47%15%12%
19NYJ3818%8%60%17%8%
20STL3799%13%59%12%6%
21CIN37612%15%47%18%8%
22DEN37515%16%41%14%14%
23HOU3718%12%49%18%11%
24ARI3658%25%49%14%4%
25KC36318%13%48%8%11%
26NO3569%14%54%11%12%
27PHI35515%12%46%11%16%
28ATL35216%16%43%13%11%
29GB34217%20%26%17%19%
30MIA3359%16%61%9%5%
31SF3165%12%59%16%8%
32DET28514%19%32%21%14%
xNFLx11%15%50%14%10%

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I don't think we know becasue we will be changing schemes and going from smaller to bigger linemen.  Going through these changes will take time and how they pull it together is yet to be seen.  I think we gotta have at least a couple young studs to add to it.  Then we will have lots of depth.

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This is the type of draft id like to see:

Atlanta Falcons NFL Draft:

PICK #

  1. Glenn Dorsey (DT) LSU

  2a.Anthony Collins (OT) Kansas

  2b.Jarod Mayo (MLB) Tennessee

  2c.Chad Henne (QB) Michigan

  3.Tony Hills (OT) Texas

  4. Chevis Jackson (CB) LSU

  5.Chad Rinehart (G) Northern Iowa 

  6.Jason Jones (DE) Eastern Michigan   

  7a.Curtis Gatewood (LB) Vanderbilt

  7b.Brian Witherspoon (CB) Stillman

What do you guys think??

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The H.N.I.C. 2! (3/28/2008)
This is the type of draft id like to see:

Atlanta Falcons NFL Draft:

PICK #

1. Glenn Dorsey (DT) LSU

2a.Anthony Collins (OT) Kansas

2b.Jarod Mayo (MLB) Tennessee

2c.Chad Henne (QB) Michigan

3.Tony Hills (OT) Texas

4. Chevis Jackson (CB) LSU

5.Chad Rinehart (G) Northern Iowa

6.Jason Jones (DE) Eastern Michigan

7a.Curtis Gatewood (LB) Vanderbilt

7b.Brian Witherspoon (CB) Stillman

What do you guys think??

Lets get adamm oliver in the 6th instead of jason jones.

and sam baker for our OT in the 2nd round

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Dang it, can't we get some BEEF on the line, PLEASE???!!! Blaylock was a good start last year, but we need MORE!!! Would love to get Jake Long, but I think he will go to either MIA or STL. If Long is gone at #3, maybe Chris Williams will be avaliable for our first 2nd round pick.

GO FALCONS!!!

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bigatlfan2 (3/28/2008)
Dang it, can't we get some BEEF on the line, PLEASE???!!! Blaylock was a good start last year, but we need MORE!!! Would love to get Jake Long, but I think he will go to either MIA or STL. If Long is gone at #3, maybe Chris Williams will be avaliable for our first 2nd round pick.

GO FALCONS!!!

Chris williams is a top 15 pick, he wont be available anywhere near our 2nd rnd pick

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The answer is that it could be better. They weren't the best, but they weren't the worst.

Forney still has skills. He struggled under Petrino, but who didn't struggle under Petrino? I have never been a McClure fan. I had preferred a larger center.

However, we had a talent problem at the RB position and our QB had a tendency to hold on to the ball... so it made Atlanta's O-Line problems worse..

When you add talented players i.e Michael Turner and maybe a McFadden, then we may duplicate the success of 2004-2006 when the Falcons had the most rushing yards in the league. And that's when the team was 30 minutes from the Super Bowl..

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Yes we need a OT but if you look at our O-line. They're built to be physical... They are big and very young. The run first phsical style WILL be a better fit. I expect this years trng camp to be the most competitive the falcons have had in decades. Because if they can show the goods, they'll be able to play. they have depth it was seen last year after the injuries. For the most part the replacements could block on their experience level ask seattle. Those baby falcons will hunt this year. No more 285lb linemen. And get rid of weiner, mcclure and let em loose.

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Dr Reality (3/28/2008)I don't think we know becasue we will be changing schemes and going from smaller to bigger linemen.  Going through these changes will take time and how they pull it together is yet to be seen.  I think we gotta have at least a couple young studs to add to it.  Then we will have lots of depth.

not just bigger but bigger and better , the Falcons have big linemen they just aren't the starters.

Foster 338  McCoy 328 Dahl 313  Ojinnaka 292

Blalock 329  Batiste 318

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McClure 286  Wilkerson 305 Datish 305  Stepanovich 300  Schneck 237

 

Forney 307 Pennington 325  Quarterman 342

Weiner 297 Clabo 314 

 

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Yes...absolutely...the OL was horrible last year. I encourage you to look at the beginning of the season.

During the first 8 games of the season...the OL was responsible for most of the losses. With just an average OL...the falcons would have been 4-3 or arguably even 5-2. Then...there would not have been any giving up in the 2nd half of the season.

I want to see...at a mimimum...3 new reasonably talented OL come onto the scene nest year.

We already have 1 with that center from the Bengals. Now I want to see 2 more OL drafted within the first 3 rounds.

The game is won in the trenches and a good offense will keep your defense rested.

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jsettle 44 (3/29/2008)
The answer is that it could be better. They weren't the best, but they weren't the worst.

Forney still has skills. He struggled under Petrino, but who didn't struggle under Petrino? I have never been a McClure fan. I had preferred a larger center.

However, we had a talent problem at the RB position and our QB had a tendency to hold on to the ball... so it made Atlanta's O-Line problems worse..

When you add talented players i.e Michael Turner and maybe a McFadden, then we may duplicate the success of 2004-2006 when the Falcons had the most rushing yards in the league. And that's when the team was 30 minutes from the Super Bowl..

Will ytou just quit with the McFadden Mancrush you know isn't going to happen?

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jsettle 44 (3/29/2008)
The answer is that it could be better. They weren't the best, but they weren't the worst.

Forney still has skills. He struggled under Petrino, but who didn't struggle under Petrino? I have never been a McClure fan. I had preferred a larger center.

However, we had a talent problem at the RB position and our QB had a tendency to hold on to the ball... so it made Atlanta's O-Line problems worse..

When you add talented players i.e Michael Turner and maybe a McFadden, then we may duplicate the success of 2004-2006 when the Falcons had the most rushing yards in the league. And that's when the team was 30 minutes from the Super Bowl..

Will ytou just quit with the McFadden Mancrush you know isn't going to happen?

You're displaying your troll-like tendancies again....
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