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Ok, I tried to end this, but you try to out do me. It can't be done.

1. Hall Did say he would take a pay cut to play for the Falcons. This was when he was talking about playing along side Houston, But apparently you only read what you want to.  Hall said he went to the Falcon telling them he wanted to be here for the long haul after the season was over, but instead they said they said that they would be taking trade offers.

2. Who's to say that Hall wouldn't have worked out a deal that would have allowed him to stay in ATL(where he is Right now). Until you disect the previous article, you have no argument

 

 

3. I repiled to my own statement, because I Knew his argument was finished :P

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vickandbailey (3/17/2008)
so what are you trying to say? Even though Hall was QUOTED saying these things its not true and it was never true he was just saying things to look good? I don't understand because the article looks good to me, maybe im not seeing which article your reading can you provide me a link to the article you have :)

Part of the original premise was that there is documentation that Hall is on record as offering a home-town discount. The evidence presented was a conversation about Chris Houston. I don't know about you, that does seem a bit of a stretch.

The next article which was presented quotes Hall a number of times about his desire not to move his family, to play in Atlanta, to 'get a contract done', but it doesn't say anything about a hometown discount.

And even if Hall did mention specifically, "I am giving a home-town discount", we couldn't really objectively assess that statement unless he also told us what were the terms of his offer. Could we?

I don't think real business people discuss contract negotiations with the media unless those negotiations aren't going well. When we start hearing about contract talk, either someone thinks the deal is close, or someone is trying to gain an advantage over the other party. That's one reason why I am very skeptical about anything either party says while player contracts are being negotiated.

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Dr. Doom (3/17/2008)
Ok, I tried to end this, but you try to out do me. It can't be done.

1. Hall Did say he would take a pay cut to play for the Falcons. This was when he was talking about playing along side Houston,But apparently you only read what you want to. Hall said he went to the Falcon telling them he wanted to be here for the long haul after the season was over, but instead they said they said that they would be taking trade offers.

Ok, so you think that this was a serious offer of a hometown discount. I'm sorry. I don't.

2. Who's to say that Hall wouldn't have worked out a deal that would have allowed him to stay in ATL(where he is Right now). Until you disect the previous article, you have no argument

Speculation is not proof. The article did not contain offer of discount. This a fact.

Hall may want to stay in ATL. I can believe that. And that was in the article. But if he demands market price, then he values that desire at $0.

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rollow lawson (3/17/2008)
First, he messed up when he ran his mouth to the AJC about trading Hall.  Now, he is about to get only a 2nd round pick (possibly 6th too) for a young corner that might be your best defensive player.  Franchise the guy and swallow your freakin pride.

Or let him go while you can get something for him! He doesn't want to be here.

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YoungHeezy (3/17/2008)
I'm pretty sure Dr. Doom completely destroyed all the anti-Hall people in this thread.

Oh really? What fact in contention did you think was conclusively argued?

Also, it's one thing dispute some notion of contract negotiation. It's quite another conclude from such an argument that an arguer favors player over team or vice versa. I favor not stretching the facts.

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Dr. Doom (3/17/2008)
Ok, I tried to end this, but you try to out do me. It can't be done.

1. Hall Did say he would take a pay cut to play for the Falcons. This was when he was talking about playing along side Houston,But apparently you only read what you want to. Hall said he went to the Falcon telling them he wanted to be here for the long haul after the season was over, but instead they said they said that they would be taking trade offers.

Ok, so you think that this was a serious offer of a hometown discount. I'm sorry. I don't.

2. Who's to say that Hall wouldn't have worked out a deal that would have allowed him to stay in ATL(where he is Right now). Until you disect the previous article, you have no argument

Speculation is not proof. The article did not contain offer of discount. This a fact.

Hall may want to stay in ATL. I can believe that. And that was in the article. But if he demands market price, then he values that desire at $0.

Ok, for your First Point about a pay cut

D-Hall on the Giants

Posted by Mike Garafolo February 22, 2008 3:21PM

Categories: Off-season, Trades

INDIANAPOLIS -- I'm just going to give you the snippets of what Falcons CB DeAngelo Hall said about the Giants and anywhere else he might land because that's what I'm sure you care about (though his thoughts on feeling like he was "stabbed in the back" by Atlanta were entertaining).

On the Giants' interest: "That's definitely a compliment. We were 4-12 and they were Super Bowl champs, so that's definitely a compliment."

On where he'd like to go: "You know what, I'll go anywhere - anywhere they want me. And that's the thing. It's hard to play or be a part of an organization that doesn't want you, so I just want to go somewhere that wants me. It ain't about the money. I even told the Falcons, 'I'll play out the last year of my contract if you don't franchise tag me the following year.' And they couldn't agree to that."

On his enjoyment of the combine: "Oh yeah. I'm a future GM in this league. I have to get started now."

On what he'd do with DeAngelo Hall as a GM: "I wouldn't let him go, period. I wouldn't let him go. I'm definitely outspoken, I'm definitely emotional. But I think in this game, especially at the position I play, you've got to be that. You've got to have a little bit of something to you. You're on an island and you're guarding some of the fiercest athletes in the world. I don't think I'm any more outspoken than hundreds and hundreds of other guys in the NFL. But I think I'm put under a magnifying glass because this is a situation that involves me right now, so everything I've ever done and everything I'm doing or have done in the past is put on a pedestal and looked at with a magnifying glass. Everything's blown a little bit out of proportion from the past. Steve (Wyche, the Atlanta-Journal Constitution) knows me well, D-Led (D. Orlando Ledbetter from the AJ-C) know me well. I don't think any of these guys could honestly say that I'm a bad guy. But for some reason, those questions have been brought up. I'm just out here to kind of defend myself to anybody who wants to listen and tell my side of the story."

On possibly playing for Steve Spagnuolo: "Playing for anybody who wants you is a positive. Playing for anybody. People always said me and Jim Mora were such best friends. That really wasn't the case. Jim was just a guy who respected me and let me play, and I wanted to break walls for him, bottom line. Any coach gets that same respect. I can't wait to do it for another coach."

On talking to any coach of a team that's interested: "Oh, definitely. And I'd love to. I'd love to sit down and talk to any coach who wants to listen. But that was just a freakish situation. That whole season, from the whole Michael Vick thing, to Bobby Petrino coming in with these military type demands, to him quitting. I mean, it was just a plethora of demands. It was just a bad situation. If we had to script something to be bad, I don't think it could've gotten worse than it did. So that's over. We were at the bottom. There's nowhere to go but the top now. I wish them luck on their rebuilding."

For Point 2 hall never demanded market price. Find links or sources that say he did.

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Dr. Doom (3/17/2008)

For Point 2 hall never demanded market price. Find links or sources that say he did.

Someone else started this with the assertion that Hall offered a discount. The burden of proof lies elsewhere. If you want to say that we really don't know what offer was made by whom, I'd wholeheartedly agree with that. That's been my position all along.

If (if, if, if) ... Hall wants to get market price, who can blame him? I'm just not sure that it is reasonable to blame the team management for not fulfilling his wish.

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Dr. Doom (3/17/2008)

For Point 2 hall never demanded market price. Find links or sources that say he did.

Someone else started this with the assertion that Hall offered a discount. The burden of proof lies elsewhere. If you want to say that we really don't know what offer was made by whom, I'd wholeheartedly agree with that. That's been my position all along.

If (if, if, if) ... Hall wants to get market price, who can blame him? I'm just not sure that it is reasonable to blame the team management for not fulfilling his wish.

His wish was to remain a falcon, but after some one tells you that they're gonna trade you, then all those thoughts go out the window.

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falcoatlantae (3/18/2008)
Dr. Doom (3/17/2008)

For Point 2 hall never demanded market price. Find links or sources that say he did.

Someone else started this with the assertion that Hall offered a discount. The burden of proof lies elsewhere. If you want to say that we really don't know what offer was made by whom, I'd wholeheartedly agree with that. That's been my position all along.

If (if, if, if) ... Hall wants to get market price, who can blame him? I'm just not sure that it is reasonable to blame the team management for not fulfilling his wish.

His wish was to remain a falcon, but after some one tells you that they're gonna trade you, then all those thoughts go out the window.

Kudos to you Dr. Doom for finally telling the truth. Great series of posts!:)
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Dr. Doom (3/17/2008)

For Point 2 hall never demanded market price. Find links or sources that say he did.

Someone else started this with the assertion that Hall offered a discount. The burden of proof lies elsewhere. If you want to say that we really don't know what offer was made by whom, I'd wholeheartedly agree with that. That's been my position all along.

If (if, if, if) ... Hall wants to get market price, who can blame him? I'm just not sure that it is reasonable to blame the team management for not fulfilling his wish.

Dude, do us all a favor and

STFU!!!!! DR. DOOM HAS DESTROYED YOU AND YOUR ARGUMENT.  YOU ARE LOOKING REAL SILLY WITH THOSE WEAK COMEBACK POSTS THAT ARE GOING IN CIRCLES.

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