Dirtybird Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Thursday, March 6Hall still availableDeAngelo Hall | Falcons | Interested: Giants? Trade talks involving Hall aren't progressing rapidly anymore, but the 24-year-old cornerback is still on the market if a team is interested, according to John Clayton. With the Jaguars out of the mix after they signed Drayton Florence for $6 million per year, trade talks have slowed down. The Giants remain one of the interested teams in Hall, who is in the final year of his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formul8or Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 We might as well keep him for now, franchise him next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange_Crush Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 formul8or (3/6/2008)We might as well keep him for now, franchise him next season.I can almost guarantee if he doesn't sign an extension and we franchise him, he won't play that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob1272 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 It is strange that we are having such a difficult time finding interested parties in "the best corner in the game" when everyone agrees that good corners are at a premium. Does it even suggest that while talented, MeAngelo may not be the Godsend that some (most of all, he himself) believes him to be? Or maybe NFL GM's are just not as bright as the huggers here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Duke 6 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 You can franchise 2 years in a row.I feel like we have to many holes to add another.Sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formul8or Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I also think that teams are staying away from him because the CB position's salary has become so inflated with Nate Clemens and Asante Samuel, that they don't want to dish out that kind of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoic Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I think you have it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob1272 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Orange_Crush (3/6/2008)formul8or (3/6/2008)We might as well keep him for now, franchise him next season.I can almost guarantee if he doesn't sign an extension and we franchise him, he won't play that season.And just to clarify, I think Hall is a very good corner and would like to keep him (which I do not think we will be able to do) at a reasonable price. I do not think he is in the top 5 corners, though he just misses, but other than his play, which I do realize in major, he is a detriment and not worth what he thinks he is worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodstockfan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 silentbob1272 (3/6/2008)It is strange that we are having such a difficult time finding interested parties in "the best corner in the game" when everyone agrees that good corners are at a premium. Does it even suggest that while talented, MeAngelo may not be the Godsend that some (most of all, he himself) believes him to be? Or maybe NFL GM's are just not as bright as the huggers here.I think 2 crucial factors that are affecting this potential trade are:1. What other team(s) are willing to give up.2. The fact that he is in the last year of his contract and would thus have to be extended; otherwise you end up just "renting" him for a year.For this trade to happen it would have to be a team that would be willing to part with a high enough draft choice and/or players to satisfy TD and a team who has the resources to sign him to a mega long term contract. That probably narrows down the possible teams down considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Orange_Crush (3/6/2008)formul8or (3/6/2008)We might as well keep him for now, franchise him next season.I can almost guarantee if he doesn't sign an extension and we franchise him, he won't play that season.I agree with you. I do not believe many see Hall as a top 5 DB. He is very short at 5'9" (receivers are getting bigger and bigger), not a team player, and frankly gets burnt too easily of long passes in critical situations. And, even though he is supposed to be the "fastest guy in the NFL," a guy his size can actually lose more speed with equipment on than a bigger man (Think Hershall Walker) and this could explain why he rarely runs down a receiver that gets behind him like Deion Sanders ALWAYS did!Good, but ceratinly not great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird Posted March 6, 2008 Author Share Posted March 6, 2008 To me I think DHall is bipolar. One day he wants to take less money to play with Chris Houston. One day he is giving Blank footballs on the sidelines. And finally he says he will never play for the Birds again. Ans shops himself at the NFL combine. Go talk to a LPC or Shrink DHall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd and short Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I don't understand his reasoning?He had a chance to go to the super bowl champs -- and then he torpedos the deal by asking for 10 mil per year? --- Not wise.TD needs to sit down face to face and explain the situation to Hall and the agent.It is to Hall's benefit to move on because Atanta can not afford to re-sign him so make a trade deal work instead of asking for insane money.If he blows another deal make it plain he will be playing 08 in Atlanta under his current contract and he will be franchised 09. --- he can hold out and cry all he wants to.I always admired Gruden in the way he handled Keyshawn in Tampa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemDirtyBirds4 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 bigduke633 (3/6/2008)You can franchise 2 years in a row.I feel like we have to many holes to add another.Sign him.exactly, why create even more holes. We need to just resign him and Boley and get it over with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 DemDirtyBirds4 (3/6/2008)exactly, why create even more holes. We need to just resign him and Boley and get it over with.Not if he wants Clements or Samuels type money. We can't afford him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atowndown Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Quarterback (3/6/2008)Orange_Crush (3/6/2008)formul8or (3/6/2008)We might as well keep him for now, franchise him next season.I can almost guarantee if he doesn't sign an extension and we franchise him, he won't play that season.I agree with you. I do not believe many see Hall as a top 5 DB. He is very short at 5'9" (receivers are getting bigger and bigger), not a team player, and frankly gets burnt too easily of long passes in critical situations. And, even though he is supposed to be the "fastest guy in the NFL," a guy his size can actually lose more speed with equipment on than a bigger man (Think Hershall Walker) and this could explain why he rarely runs down a receiver that gets behind him like Deion Sanders ALWAYS did!Good, but ceratinly not great!Hes actually 5'10 closer to 5'11....lol but he has a tremendous vertical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vafalconfan Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 It will heat up again as the draft nears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I really don't see why this is so difficult. We force him to play under his current contract. We have too many holes to fill, we can't give DHall the contract he wants. I want us to re-sign Boley. We can't afford to re-sign DHall. Force him to play at his contract level and then franchise him next season. If he wants to sit out, fine, sit out, that season won't count towards his contract and he'll have the same problem the following season. Not to mention no other team would want to pay him anything because of the mere fact that he did sit out. I don't know why anybody would want us throwing money at him when we don't have to. Our team would be much better if he just played under his current contract and we used cap space to fill other holes. If another team wants to give us something in a trade for him, then great, if not, he plays under the contract he signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd and short Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 pzummo (3/6/2008)I really don't see why this is so difficult. We force him to play under his current contract. We have too many holes to fill, we can't give DHall the contract he wants. I want us to re-sign Boley. We can't afford to re-sign DHall. Force him to play at his contract level and then franchise him next season. If he wants to sit out, fine, sit out, that season won't count towards his contract and he'll have the same problem the following season. Not to mention no other team would want to pay him anything.I agree ------- play him this coming season under his existing contract and next February franchise him.But serve notice immediately to Hall and his Agent what will take place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Dirtybird (3/6/2008)To me I think DHall is bipolar. One day he wants to take less money to play with Chris Houston. One day he is giving Blank footballs on the sidelines. And finally he says he will never play for the Birds again. Ans shops himself at the NFL combine. Go talk to a LPC or Shrink DHall.Your right - D-Hall isBIPOLAR!!!!!this is why D-Hall needs to be invited off this team for a 1st round pick......i will take what the market will bare for this "team cancer".......To the D-Hall defenders, do you honestly want this guy blowing up team chemistry on your NEW Atlanta Falcons and have him undo what Dimitroff and Mike Smith are trying to build? It only takes one guy to really screw up a locker room (insert D-Hall picture here). I know I have "re-sign D-Hall in my sig" - need to change it, I like the talent but cannot put up the attitude. He literally wakes up every day and you never know what you will get with D-Hall......If he's not bi-polar, then he is just incredibly immature. I want D-Hall to play for somebody like Bill Parcells or Bill Cowher(yes, I know both are not coaches anymore). Those guys would not put up with D-Hall's sheot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magestik63 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 formul8or (3/6/2008)We might as well keep him for now, franchise him next season.no way we need to get somthing for him. not just let him walk next yr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somecut8 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 formul8or (3/6/2008)We might as well keep him for now, franchise him next season.yep and give him a contract next year. I like it. we need good players to build a good team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofreasoning Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Quarterback (3/6/2008)I agree with you. I do not believe many see Hall as a top 5 DB. He is very short at 5'9" (receivers are getting bigger and bigger), not a team player, and frankly gets burnt too easily of long passes in critical situations. And, even though he is supposed to be the "fastest guy in the NFL," a guy his size can actually lose more speed with equipment on than a bigger man (Think Hershall Walker) and this could explain why he rarely runs down a receiver that gets behind him like Deion Sanders ALWAYS did!Good, but ceratinly not great!I'm not sure how much football you actually watch but let me clear up some misunderstandings. D Hall rarely get's beat on 9-routes, if any, when he's in man coverage. When he does it is 99% of the time because he bit on a play fake or was peeking in the backfield too much. An with our horrible run defense what can you expect.When he does get beat it's usually not in man coverage but in the zone 3 coverages that teams took advantage of us with. And most of the time it wasn't even his fault but because he is trailing on the play people erroneously say it's on Hall. the reason for this, we have had horrible safety coverage since we drafted D Hall. Most of the plays are the quick slants or post routes where D Hall can't follow and the safety should be there. Just think, how many plays have our safeties made in coverage? Count them on one hand.D Hall does not get run away from, and before you bring up the Hines Ward play, which everyone cares to throw around, if you go back and watch the play Steelers took advantage of our cover-3 defense, Hines ran the slant and caught the ball coming out of D Hall's zone where the safety SHOULD have been (but was missing in coverage as usual), Hall actually runs him down but right before he gets to him a falcon teammate actually impedes hall and knocks him off the pursuit. Amazingly Hall STILL almost caught him after being slowed by his own teammate.All these people just throwing remarks against the wall on Hall probably don't know the difference between a cover-3 outside technique and a tampa 2 defense and WHO is responsible for WHAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Nobody wants a self-centered, ego-maniac on their team. They want team players.... He is damaged goods, just like Randy Moss, or T.O. were a couple of seasons back.....What a soap opera............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isproab Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 I'm glad that there are not many takers at this point. I think after a cooling off period, things will be ok. The most important parties are Hall and Coach Smith. I think Hall was caught off guard that as young and good as he is he was being shopped so to speak. As long as the coach wants him that is good. I think if they talke it out they can reach a contract agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 grendel (3/6/2008)pzummo (3/6/2008)I really don't see why this is so difficult. We force him to play under his current contract. We have too many holes to fill, we can't give DHall the contract he wants. I want us to re-sign Boley. We can't afford to re-sign DHall. Force him to play at his contract level and then franchise him next season. If he wants to sit out, fine, sit out, that season won't count towards his contract and he'll have the same problem the following season. Not to mention no other team would want to pay him anything because of the mere fact that he did sit out. I don't know why anybody would want us throwing money at him when we don't have to. Our team would be much better if he just played under his current contract and we used cap space to fill other holes. If another team wants to give us something in a trade for him, then great, if not, he plays under the contract he signed.The danger is that if his contract is structured like Kerney's was, he'll be able to opt out of his contract after the franchise period has expired, and we won't be able to franchise him. Then he'll walk as a FA and we'll get nothing.We will be able to franchise him next season no matter what, losing him for nothing could potentially occur the season after. But by then we have had time to evaluate the position on our team. It's really quite simple. We have another year to watch Chris Houston develop to see if he is ready to step into the #1 corner role. If not, DHall is going to be franchised another season anyhow, so it gives us another year to find another shutdown corner or work out a contract with DHall. If Houston is ready by then, we leave the franchise tag on DHall for next season and shop him around for picks before the season starts. I don't like the idea of trading DHall this season because we can't get a corner with his talent at his current cap hit. I also don't like the idea of using up the rest of our cap space to sign him when we have so many other holes on our roster. I do like the idea of having another 2 seasons to evaluate the position before giving him $10 mil per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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