Guest Gritz Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Ran-dawg (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.I hear what your saying and totally agree but there is not a for sure guy that demands a 3rd overall pick. Normally there is a clear cut guy but the popular choice for the clear cut guy has 19 ints. That does not cut it. Do you think his int totals will go down because he comes to a faster more complicated league. No, they will most certainly go up. Same thing with all this hype about DMac. He had 23 fumbles in his 3 year carreer. That is crazy. What happens when he gets hit by a NFL caliber player. Bad things man, bad things.You're dead on the mark here man. Despite what many of the "draft gurus" are saying Matt Ryan doesn't look like a "can't miss" NFL franchise quarterback to me (in the mold of a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer...). There are guys we can take in the 2nd or 3rd round who have just as much upside as Ryan.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 malk2.0 (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)malk2.0 (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)malk2.0 (3/5/2008)I think he is smart enough to know that first round doesnt mean franchise qb. Maybe if we trade hall and pick up another first round pick but I dont see us picking qb at number 3 at all.And I think you're smart enough to read my thread. Maybe you should read it again.uhm I read your thread and im saying I think he is smart enough not to waste a first round pick on a qb because A FRANCHISE QB DOESNT HAVE TO BE A FIRST ROUND PICK.Who said a franchise QB has to pick a 1st round pick? I said that if he believes a player is a franchise QB, he will select that player in the 1st if that player is available. I do not believe he will pass up on a player that he believes could be a franchise QB if that player is available in the 1st.You understand now?uhm basically you're saying "if he sees a franchise player WHO'S A FIRST ROUNDER he will pick him up. You're implying that franchise qbs are first round picks. You must of failed English class because you do not express your opinions well. You leave a lot open for assumptions.I've come to the conclusion that you're simply not smart enough to carry on an intelligent conversation. I'll let someone else explain it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malk2.0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Ran-dawg (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.I hear what your saying and totally agree but there is not a for sure guy that demands a 3rd overall pick. Normally there is a clear cut guy but the popular choice for the clear cut guy has 19 ints. That does not cut it. Do you think his int totals will go down because he comes to a faster more complicated league. No, they will most certainly go up. Same thing with all this hype about DMac. He had 23 fumbles in his 3 year carreer. That is crazy. What happens when he gets hit by a NFL caliber player. Bad things man, bad things.If TD believes M Ryan, or any other QB, is a franchise QB, I believe he will not pass up on that player if he's available in the 1st. If TD (not any person on this MB) believes there are no franchise QB's in this draft, then I believe he will not select a QB in the 1st.You have to also think that td see's a "franchise " qb, A stud DT and a stud LT.It will also depend on the draft class. If he thinks that there are more good quality qbs than DT I think he will go DT with the stud DT over the "franchise qb" We all know that franchise qbs are nothing without a good oline and a good defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran-dawg Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 You don't take a QB 3rd over all just because you think he could be a franchise QB. All teams rate players and then figure out where they think the players will fall. If you see a QB that you want and he's not rated high enough for the 3rd over all pick then you try your butt off to trade down to where you think you could draft him and the value is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddieman Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Ran-dawg (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.We will not take a QB in the first!!!!Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.I hear what your saying and totally agree but there is not a for sure guy that demands a 3rd overall pick. Normally there is a clear cut guy but the popular choice for the clear cut guy has 19 ints. That does not cut it. Do you think his int totals will go down because he comes to a faster more complicated league. No, they will most certainly go up. Same thing with all this hype about DMac. He had 23 fumbles in his 3 year carreer. That is crazy. What happens when he gets hit by a NFL caliber player. Bad things man, bad things.If TD believes M Ryan, or any other QB, is a franchise QB, I believe he will not pass up on that player if he's available in the 1st. If TD (not any person on this MB) believes there are no franchise QB's in this draft, then I believe he will not select a QB in the 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrage Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.We don't necessarily have to draft our QB in the 1st round. There are countless success stories out there of QBs who were drafted after the first round whom went on to have very successful careers. If there's a guy that you really like, and you know for sure that he will still be on the board in, say, the 3rd round, then why should you use a first round pick on that guy when you could use that same pick to address another need and still get the guy you covet later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Don Solo (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)It's not about what you think. I'm talking about what TD thinks.Well, then there is another rub, as TD is the only one that knows what TD thinks. If you are going to post a message about this subject on a message board, then you should expect to hear what others think.I have no problem hearing what others think. That's not the point I'm making. I'm saying that if TD believes a player is a franchise QB, he will take that player in round 1. I'm not saying anything else, thats it. I'm talking about what TD thinks. What we think will not matter on draft day. I'm just giving my opinion on what he'll do if he thinks there's a franchise QB on the board when we pick in round one. You can make the argument that he may pass up on a QB that he thinks will be a franchise QB, thats fine too. Whether or not any particular player is a franchise QB has nothing to do with this particular thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 You're dead on the mark here man. Despite what many of the "draft gurus" are saying Matt Ryan doesn't look like a "can't miss" NFL franchise quarterback to me (in the mold of a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer...). There are guys we can take in the 2nd or 3rd round who have just as much upside as Ryan....Not what this thread is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddieman Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 xrage (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.We don't necessarily have to draft our QB in the 1st round. There are countless success stories out there of QBs who were drafted after the first round whom went on to have very successful careers. If there's a guy that you really like, and you know for sure that he will still be on the board in, say, the 3rd round, then why should you use a first round pick on that guy when you could use that same pick to address another need and still get the guy you covet later?We will not take a QB in the first!!! TD has all but said so!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 While I don't like the idea of taking Ryan with the #3 pick I do get what bird is saying. All he's saying is if Dimitroff thinks our franchise QB is in the 1st round then he's going to pull the trigger with that pick.....Another scenario could emerge though. If Dimitroff thinks his guy (Brohm?) might be a low 1st round pick then he certainly wouldn't overreach with that #3 pick to get that guy.....I'm sure different trading and moving around scenarios would happen then..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malk2.0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 xrage (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.We don't necessarily have to draft our QB in the 1st round. There are countless success stories out there of QBs who were drafted after the first round whom went on to have very successful careers. If there's a guy that you really like, and you know for sure that he will still be on the board in, say, the 3rd round, then why should you use a first round pick on that guy when you could use that same pick to address another need and still get the guy you covet later?The big problem is you're saying "if TD thinks ryan is a franchise qb or whomever is a franchise qb he WILL take it in the first round" The fact is even if he thinks ryan or whoever is a FRANCHISE qb he might consider a stud DT or a stud LT over the franchise qb.You're saying TD will do this then you say how its your opinion. So people read it and they think you're claiming WE WILL GET A QB IN THE FIRST IF THERES A FRANCHISE QB.Undertsand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ7000 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 looks like we will go QB. but thier is a lot of FA still to go. i just don't want to spend a 1 round pick on a QB thats all.......:cool: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Ran-dawg (3/5/2008)You don't take a QB 3rd over all just because you think he could be a franchise QB. All teams rate players and then figure out where they think the players will fall. If you see a QB that you want and he's not rated high enough for the 3rd over all pick then you try your butt off to trade down to where you think you could draft him and the value is right.I didn't say 3rd overall pick. I said in round 1. Read it again. I said you wouldn't pass up on that player in round 1. That leaves open the option to trade down a little, but you have to be careful there. I'm saying there's no way you try and take a player that you think will be a franchise QB in round 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 xrage (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.We don't necessarily have to draft our QB in the 1st round. There are countless success stories out there of QBs who were drafted after the first round whom went on to have very successful careers. If there's a guy that you really like, and you know for sure that he will still be on the board in, say, the 3rd round, then why should you use a first round pick on that guy when you could use that same pick to address another need and still get the guy you covet later?Franchise QB's are hard to find. Someone posted a small list of franchise QB's in the league now. If you think a player will be a franchise QB, then you'd be ignorant to try and take him in the 3rd because he will not be around then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 gritblitzer (3/5/2008)While I don't like the idea of taking Ryan with the #3 pick I do get what bird is saying. All he's saying is if Dimitroff thinks our franchise QB is in the 1st round then he's going to pull the trigger with that pick.....Another scenario could emerge though. If Dimitroff thinks his guy (Brohm?) might be a low 1st round pick then he certainly wouldn't overreach with that #3 pick to get that guy.....I'm sure different trading and moving around scenarios would happen then.....Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not th@t f@r from #1 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)The only way we don't draft a QB in the 1st is if TD doesn't believe there's a franchise QB available.And thats exactly whats gonna happen my man, because this years QB class is average so imagine what a good draft class next year looks like... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooseguess Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I think we should flip a coin. You know, Heads for Matt, Tails for Jake, make it the best 2 out of 3 type thing. The winner moves on to flip against Dorsey in the second round, but Dorsey would need to win 3 out of five because he wasnt in the 1st round.Thats the fairest way I can figure it.Matter of fact someone should start a poll, and we should vote to see who's gonna be heads and who's gonna be tails, and if Dorsey really deserves to have the second round.................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran-dawg Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Ran-dawg (3/5/2008)You don't take a QB 3rd over all just because you think he could be a franchise QB. All teams rate players and then figure out where they think the players will fall. If you see a QB that you want and he's not rated high enough for the 3rd over all pick then you try your butt off to trade down to where you think you could draft him and the value is right.I didn't say 3rd overall pick. I said in round 1. Read it again. I said you wouldn't pass up on that player in round 1. That leaves open the option to trade down a little, but you have to be careful there. I'm saying there's no way you try and take a player that you think will be a franchise QB in round 2.I definitely see what your saying and couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Not th@t f@r from #1 (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)The only way we don't draft a QB in the 1st is if TD doesn't believe there's a franchise QB available.And thats exactly whats gonna happen my man, because this years QB class is average so imagine what a good draft class next year looks like...Sorry man....I've seen the projected '09 QB draft class. This one is muuuuuuuch better.....maybe not top heavy in terms of talent, but in depth man...Lots of depth with this QB class....RyanBrohmHenneFlaccoWoodsonBooty AingeDixonJohnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Solo Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)I have no problem hearing what others think. That's not the point I'm making. I'm saying that if TD believes a player is a franchise QB, he will take that player in round 1. I'm not saying anything else, thats it. I'm talking about what TD thinks. What we think will not matter on draft day. I'm just giving my opinion on what he'll do if he thinks there's a franchise QB on the board when we pick in round one. You can make the argument that he may pass up on a QB that he thinks will be a franchise QB, thats fine too. Whether or not any particular player is a franchise QB has nothing to do with this particular thread.Ok, I understand what you are saying, as it really all boils down to what TD and the organization think, as do all of the decisions regarding the Falcons. Since I have no insight into the inner thoughts of TD, I cannot argue what he may or may not do. I can only say that based on the moves that he has made so far, I would be willing to bet that he won't pull the trigger on Ryan at #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Don Solo (3/5/2008)Ok, I understand what you are saying, as it really all boils down to what TD and the organization think, as do all of the decisions regarding the Falcons. Since I have no insight into the inner thoughts of TD, I cannot argue what he may or may not do. I can only say that based on the moves that he has made so far, I would be willing to bet that he won't pull the trigger on Ryan at #3.I hope he (TD) doesn't do that either. If Jake Long is there I want him. If he isn't there I want Dorsey or Ellis. Both of our lines need some serious addressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Solo Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 gritblitzer (3/5/2008)quote]Sorry man....I've seen the projected '09 QB draft class. This one is muuuuuuuch better.....maybe not top heavy in terms of talent, but in depth man...Lots of depth with this QB class....RyanBrohmHenneFlaccoWoodsonBooty AingeDixonJohnsonWhich is all the more reason why the Falcons should look to grab a QB in the second as oppposed to reaching in the first, although to Bird's point, it really just depends on how the organization views these as guys as potential "franchise QBs". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 well we will be running a run 1st system, so the QB is not important, its like when we had chris chandler. he was a game manager/ 4th qtr star, which is what we need. someone that can keep us in the game til the end, where he blows up and destroys the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Solo Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 gritblitzer (3/5/2008)I hope he (TD) doesn't do that either. If Jake Long is there I want him. If he isn't there I want Dorsey or Ellis. Both of our lines need some serious addressing.You and I tend to always think alike, Gritz. I could not agree with you more. I believe that the Falcons' pick will be one of the three that you have listed. Or, perhaps maybe I am just wishfully thinking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran-dawg Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I hope he (TD) doesn't do that either. If Jake Long is there I want him. If he isn't there I want Dorsey or Ellis. Both of our lines need some serious addressing.This is what I want to see happen too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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