birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonfalcon Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.Build the line and they will make the QB look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 londonfalcon (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.Build the line and they will make the QB look better.Nothing wrong with building the line but we're in need of a franchise QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mugzy12 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 but it aint gunna be matt ryan and we will go DT first..ill bet anyone here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 The only way we don't draft a QB in the 1st is if TD doesn't believe there's a franchise QB available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodhoundz Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Yup, unless something drastic happens to Matt Ryan, I think that will be our pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Solo Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 londonfalcon (3/5/2008)Build the line and they will make the QB look better.I could not agree more with this statement. There are quite a few QBs that can look like "franchise QBs" if they are not running for their lives. To me, I just don't see Ryan being head and shoulders better than anyone the Falcons could get at the top of the 2nd round this year. If there was that much of a difference between Ryan and a Henne or Flacco, then I would say draft Ryan without question. However, I just don't see him being that much better. So, my opinion is to draft either OL or DL in the first, and then address QB in the second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Don Solo (3/5/2008)londonfalcon (3/5/2008)Build the line and they will make the QB look better.I could not agree more with this statement. There are quite a few QBs that can look like "franchise QBs" if they are not running for their lives. To me, I just don't see Ryan being head and shoulders better than anyone the Falcons could get at the top of the 2nd round this year. If there was that much of a difference between Ryan and a Henne or Flacco, then I would say draft Ryan without question. However, I just don't see him being that much better. So, my opinion is to draft either OL or DL in the first, and then address QB in the second.You don't pass up on a player that you think is a franchise QB when you need a franchise QB. That player will not be available in the 2nd, unless you're the only GM that believes he's a franchise QB. It is just not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formul8or Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Brohm will be a franchise QB for someone. I'd rather have him than Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malk2.0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 I think he is smart enough to know that first round doesnt mean franchise qb. Maybe if we trade hall and pick up another first round pick but I dont see us picking qb at number 3 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 formul8or (3/5/2008)Brohm will be a franchise QB for someone. I'd rather have him than Ryan.If a GM in the NFL that needs a franchise QB agrees with you, Brohm will be gone in the 1st. That's my point. I'm not lobbying for Ryan. I'm saying we need a franchise QB and when it's our pick there should be someone out there that TD believes is just that. If we pass him up in the 1st, he'll be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 malk2.0 (3/5/2008)I think he is smart enough to know that first round doesnt mean franchise qb. Maybe if we trade hall and pick up another first round pick but I dont see us picking qb at number 3 at all.And I think you're smart enough to read my thread. Maybe you should read it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick h Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 there are no franchise qb's in this group there are simply guys that would be above average at the position(ryan, brohm, flacco maybe?, and henne). so why take ryan and give him around 9 million a year if his production could be matched by one of the other guys that will be available in the second round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malk2.0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)malk2.0 (3/5/2008)I think he is smart enough to know that first round doesnt mean franchise qb. Maybe if we trade hall and pick up another first round pick but I dont see us picking qb at number 3 at all.And I think you're smart enough to read my thread. Maybe you should read it again.uhm I read your thread and im saying I think he is smart enough not to waste a first round pick on a qb because A FRANCHISE QB DOESNT HAVE TO BE A FIRST ROUND PICK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Solo Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)You don't pass up on a player that you think is a franchise QB when you need a franchise QB. That player will not be available in the 2nd, unless you're the only GM that believes he's a franchise QB. It is just not gonna happen.Well, there's the rub. I don't see Ryan as a "franchise QB" at all. Tell me this, how many franchise QBs are in the NFL these days? Here is the list that I have:Peyton Manning - 1stBrady - 6thFavre (until yesterday) - 2ndPalmer - 1stRoethlisberger - 1stVince Young (debatable) - 1stRomo - undrafedEli Manning - 1stMcNabb (debatable) - 1stBrees - 2ndBulger (debatable) - 6thHasselbeck - 6thBased on these guys, it is basically a 50/50 proposition on acquiring a "franchise QB" in the first round. We could go on for days about supposed "franchise QBs" taken in the first that completely flopped. To me, unless the guy is an absolute can't miss (i.e. Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer) which are few and far between, then I don't see the risk being worth the reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 nick h (3/5/2008)there are no franchise qb's in this group there are simply guys that would be above average at the position(ryan, brohm, flacco maybe?, and henne). so why take ryan and give him around 9 million a year if his production could be matched by one of the other guys that will be available in the second roundThen if TD believes there are no franchise QB available at the time we pick in the 1st, then he'll probably not pick a QB. Personally I don't see how a GM could believe that none of these QB's can be franchise QB's, but thats not my call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran-dawg Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.I hear what your saying and totally agree but there is not a for sure guy that demands a 3rd overall pick. Normally there is a clear cut guy but the popular choice for the clear cut guy has 19 ints. That does not cut it. Do you think his int totals will go down because he comes to a faster more complicated league. No, they will most certainly go up. Same thing with all this hype about DMac. He had 23 fumbles in his 3 year carreer. That is crazy. What happens when he gets hit by a NFL caliber player. Bad things man, bad things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malk2.0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 nick h (3/5/2008)there are no franchise qb's in this group there are simply guys that would be above average at the position(ryan, brohm, flacco maybe?, and henne). so why take ryan and give him around 9 million a year if his production could be matched by one of the other guys that will be available in the second roundYou are absolutely right. Its funny how people think franchise qb = first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caddieman Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 NO WAY we take Ryan in the First!!!! He is not a franchise QB and we can't afford to take a QB that high. Falcco or Henne will be just as good as Ryan if not better. Our QB will be taken in the 2nd and I hope it is Falcco! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 malk2.0 (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)malk2.0 (3/5/2008)I think he is smart enough to know that first round doesnt mean franchise qb. Maybe if we trade hall and pick up another first round pick but I dont see us picking qb at number 3 at all.And I think you're smart enough to read my thread. Maybe you should read it again.uhm I read your thread and im saying I think he is smart enough not to waste a first round pick on a qb because A FRANCHISE QB DOESNT HAVE TO BE A FIRST ROUND PICK.Who said a franchise QB has to pick a 1st round pick? I said that if he believes a player is a franchise QB, he will select that player in the 1st if that player is available. I do not believe he will pass up on a player that he believes could be a franchise QB if that player is available in the 1st.You understand now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Don Solo (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)You don't pass up on a player that you think is a franchise QB when you need a franchise QB. That player will not be available in the 2nd, unless you're the only GM that believes he's a franchise QB. It is just not gonna happen.Well, there's the rub. I don't see Ryan as a "franchise QB" at all. Tell me this, how many franchise QBs are in the NFL these days? Here is the list that I have:Peyton Manning - 1stBrady - 6thFavre (until yesterday) - 2ndPalmer - 1stRoethlisberger - 1stVince Young (debatable) - 1stRomo - undrafedEli Manning - 1stMcNabb (debatable) - 1stBrees - 2ndBulger (debatable) - 6thHasselbeck - 6thBased on these guys, it is basically a 50/50 proposition on acquiring a "franchise QB" in the first round. We could go on for days about supposed "franchise QBs" taken in the first that completely flopped. To me, unless the guy is an absolute can't miss (i.e. Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer) which are few and far between, then I don't see the risk being worth the reward.It's not about what you think. I'm talking about what TD thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malk2.0 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)malk2.0 (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)malk2.0 (3/5/2008)I think he is smart enough to know that first round doesnt mean franchise qb. Maybe if we trade hall and pick up another first round pick but I dont see us picking qb at number 3 at all.And I think you're smart enough to read my thread. Maybe you should read it again.uhm I read your thread and im saying I think he is smart enough not to waste a first round pick on a qb because A FRANCHISE QB DOESNT HAVE TO BE A FIRST ROUND PICK.Who said a franchise QB has to pick a 1st round pick? I said that if he believes a player is a franchise QB, he will select that player in the 1st if that player is available. I do not believe he will pass up on a player that he believes could be a franchise QB if that player is available in the 1st.You understand now?uhm basically you're saying "if he sees a franchise player WHO'S A FIRST ROUNDER he will pick him up. You're implying that franchise qbs are first round picks. You must of failed English class because you do not express your opinions well. You leave a lot open for assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Ran-dawg (3/5/2008)birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)Everyone knows we need a franchise QB. Everyone knows we will draft a QB this year. We will be drafting for a franchise QB, not a QB to be a full time backup or a 3 year project. If TD believes there is a franchise QB in this draft (maybe even more than one), he should take him in the 1st round. There will be no GM out there that needs a QB that expects a franchise QB to be available in the 2nd. TD will not be thinking, "well I believe so and so is a franchise QB and he should be there in the 2nd". Franchise QB's go in the 1st.Of course there are times when a QB is taken after the 1st as a project or a full time back-up and turns out to be a star. However, when this happens it's because GM's didn't think he was a franchise type of guy. He beat the odds.We need a franchise QB and I believe TD will take one in the 1st round.I hear what your saying and totally agree but there is not a for sure guy that demands a 3rd overall pick. Normally there is a clear cut guy but the popular choice for the clear cut guy has 19 ints. That does not cut it. Do you think his int totals will go down because he comes to a faster more complicated league. No, they will most certainly go up. Same thing with all this hype about DMac. He had 23 fumbles in his 3 year carreer. That is crazy. What happens when he gets hit by a NFL caliber player. Bad things man, bad things.If TD believes M Ryan, or any other QB, is a franchise QB, I believe he will not pass up on that player if he's available in the 1st. If TD (not any person on this MB) believes there are no franchise QB's in this draft, then I believe he will not select a QB in the 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Solo Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 birdweiserrr (3/5/2008)It's not about what you think. I'm talking about what TD thinks.Well, then there is another rub, as TD is the only one that knows what TD thinks. If you are going to post a message about this subject on a message board, then you should expect to hear what others think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdweiserrr Posted March 5, 2008 Author Share Posted March 5, 2008 Caddieman (3/5/2008)NO WAY we take Ryan in the First!!!! He is not a franchise QB and we can't afford to take a QB that high. Falcco or Henne will be just as good as Ryan if not better. Our QB will be taken in the 2nd and I hope it is Falcco!We need a franchise QB. If he thinks Flacco is the franchise QB then I believe he'll take Flacco in the 1st. No way he would chance waiting until the 2nd to select him. Flacco wouldn't make it to the 2nd if another GM thought he was a franchise QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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