I don't want Matt Ryan at 3 either, but most Falcon fans have become unreasonable when discussing him.

[halsey]

Matt Ryan is the consensus #1 QB in the draft. As in there are no signs of any scouts or analysts even debating it. I'd probably want him no higher than 5 on the Falcons draft board, but there are fans acting like he shouldn't even be a first day pick. I tend to trust the scouts and analysts more. Falcons fans are being emotional, as usual. We've been burned by Vick and seen former first round picks like Joey Harrington and Byron Leftwich play poorly over the last year. That's not Matt Ryan's fault. Even if he's only the 10-15th best starting QB in the league in his prime, that's still worth a first round pick.

[Statick]

Like I said, I don't want him and I don't think we need him at #3, but if we pick him I won't cry over it.

A QB pick fulfills a need.

[Sun Tzu 7]

He's not a good fit at #3 and especially for this team.

Personally, I think his value/talent puts him somewhere between 7 and 15 in this draft.

[Guest Gritz]

halsey (3/4/2008)

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Matt Ryan is the consensus #1 QB in the draft. As in there are no signs of any scouts or analysts even debating it. I'd probably want him no higher than 5 on the Falcons draft board, but there are fans acting like he shouldn't even be a first day pick. I tend to trust the scouts and analysts more. Falcons fans are being emotional, as usual. We've been burned by Vick and seen former first round picks like Joey Harrington and Byron Leftwich play poorly over the last year. That's not Matt Ryan's fault. Even if he's only the 10-15th best starting QB in the league in his prime, that's still worth a first round pick.

Hey, if he was there late 1st or early 2nd (he won't be) I wouldn't have a problem with taking him.....but we need to build our lines with our first pick and maybe 2nd too. We're fortunate that there are going to be serviceable QBs available in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

[BearSan]

halsey (3/4/2008)

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Matt Ryan is the consensus #1 QB in the draft. As in there are no signs of any scouts or analysts even debating it. I'd probably want him no higher than 5 on the Falcons draft board, but there are fans acting like he shouldn't even be a first day pick. I tend to trust the scouts and analysts more. Falcons fans are being emotional, as usual. We've been burned by Vick and seen former first round picks like Joey Harrington and Byron Leftwich play poorly over the last year. That's not Matt Ryan's fault. Even if he's only the 10-15th best starting QB in the league in his prime, that's still worth a first round pick.

I have to agree with the statement you made in your topic.

However, I don't believe its only Ryan. Its happening with all the top choices. People feel the team isn't in need at that position so they start bashing these players like they're garbage.

We've seen it all in the last two weeks with McFadden, Jake Long, Matt Ryan, Glen Dorsey... etc. I think the only argument that has any validity is the Dorsey one. And its not because he isn't talented.

[turner 33]

Matt Ryan is over-rated and will not survive on the NFL level. He lacks leadership skills and caves in with he gets pressured..and the NFL is all about pressure and being able to deal with that pressure...

[Daniel Chosen]

I don't think he is as bad as the haters make him out to be. I think he will be a good leader and a good QB in the NFL. That being said, I think the Falcons need to use the #3 pick on a position other than QB. It's not about Ryan or any other QB, there are just too many needs that this team has.

[nevesmetro]

As I've stated before....To me, Ryan is mid 1st rd talent, here's only pushed up because of need. I don't want him because there are better players at DT and OT, which are our needs also.

[ugadawg]

bertr9 (3/4/2008)

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halsey (3/4/2008)

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I have to agree with the statement you made in your topic.

However, I don't believe its only Ryan. Its happening with all the top choices. People feel the team isn't in need at that position so they start bashing these players like they're garbage.

We've seen it all in the last two weeks with McFadden, Jake Long, Matt Ryan, Glen Dorsey... etc. I think the only argument that has any validity is the Dorsey one. And its not because he isn't talented.

I agree the top tier talents are all good it is down to need. The biggest problem is that we have many needs so that leave it up to argument and opinions. and on this boards others opinions are not taken very well. If you look at it top talent they all can be made a case for based on need

CLong a top notch DE that can work in a 3-4 or 4-3

JLong a proven tackle with strenght that can play LT ,but may be better suited for RT

Dorsey a beast of a DT

DMAC the 3rd best RB stats to ever come out of the SEC behind Hershel and BO

Ryan a QB in size, arm and has all the tools

Ellis same as Dorsey a beast

OK which one would not work they all fit a need they all would work it is all based on opinion and what you but a higher price on. If TD follows suit from the Pats they went DL high and OL mid round picks so we will have to wait and see

[halsey]

turner 33 (3/4/2008)

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Matt Ryan is over-rated and will not survive on the NFL level. He lacks leadership skills and caves in with he gets pressured..and the NFL is all about pressure and being able to deal with that pressure...

Hey, if you say it, it must be true.

[halsey]

grendel (3/4/2008)

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halsey (3/4/2008)

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That's a good sign of groupthink.

Marshall Faulk tried to debate it with Mike Mayock on NFLN and Mayock went psycho on him. No dissent is allowed.

Buy into the groupthink without analyzing it or forming your own opinions at your own peril.

There's no way you can objectively look at Matt Ryan's stats and game film and consider him a 1st round pick. No way. He's only about the 5th best QB in the draft, and he's behind guys I wouldn't look at until the 2nd round, so...

There's a risk of 'groupthink' with every player. Was it 'groupthink' when EVERYONE agreed Faulk was the #1 RB in the draft he entered? Is it 'groupthink' that McFadden is the #1 RB? I could go on and on and on.

[.:st.anger:.]

I want to take the best player that fits our system and will provide us with immediate impact in solidifying a position on the field. Whether it's a lineman or a QB is the FO's decision.

[1989Fan]

turner 33 (3/4/2008)

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Matt Ryan is over-rated and will not survive on the NFL level. He lacks leadership skills and caves in with he gets pressured..and the NFL is all about pressure and being able to deal with that pressure...

wow, today must be opposite day with that reply.

He has his flaws, but leadership and pressure definately are not 2 of them.

[SINIK4L]

Someone tell me, in your own words (not Mayocks or McShays) what makes Ryan so special. I just want to hear what someone other than the so called 'experts' thinks makes him so great. It can't be his stats.

[SINIK4L]

grendel (3/4/2008)

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Pressure most certainly is one of them. See the first 56 minutes of the VT game vs. the last 4. He looks ok as long as there's no rush.

That game is one of his biggest claims to fame and thats just wrong. He actually benefited from sucking most of the game.

[dirtyknight]

QB is not our biggest need at the moment. Build both sides of the line and than get a QB

[halsey]

grendel (3/4/2008)

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halsey (3/4/2008)

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grendel (3/4/2008)

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halsey (3/4/2008)

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See, another good sign of groupthink is discounting verifiable facts as opinions if they don't match the groupthink.

McFadden's number speak for themselves. Go look at the names of the others on the top-10 list of all time rushers in the SEC. You'll know every name, because they were all huge producers in the NFL. McFadden is not hype.

Now look at Matt Ryan's numbers and compare them to 1st round QB's taken in the last 10 years... Notice that his numbers are the worst, and not by a small margin?

But yeah, it's not hype, right?

Without even thinking of it for more than a second I came up with a 1st round QB to compare Ryan's numbers to, since you like numbers so much:

..............CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT

Jay Cutler 273 462 3073 59.1 6.65 21 9 126.1

Matt Ryan 388 654 4507 59.3 6.89 31 19 127.0

Now who's got facts? You can make some excuses now.

[FalconFanatic!!!!]

no way we sign ryan at 3 there are so many qbs in this draft that can get it done

[halsey]

Here's a really nice TD-INT ratio for you: 2414 0.0 7.50 23 5 83.4

Joey Harrington's :laugh: Yep, numbers tell the whole story.

Here's another: 4299 0.0 9.03 42 7 102.0

David Carr! :laugh: laugh:

[red2play]

If Matt Ryan could throw 60 yards off his back foot with DL's in his face accurately, I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat at 3. If he played in the SEC and had the same numbers, I'd snatch him up. If he played WV and didn't go three and a half Quarters without a point, I'd have more respect for him (still not a top three pick though).

However, the point remains. His arm is so-so and his decision making is OBVIOUSLY suspect. Unworthy of a top three pick. Especially when Sedrick Ellis, Jake Long and Glenn Dorsey will be there.

[SINIK4L]

falkonX7 (3/4/2008)

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Someone tell me, in your own words (not Mayocks or McShays) what makes Ryan so special. I just want to hear what someone other than the so called 'experts' thinks makes him so great. It can't be his stats.

Is this too much to ask? Stop regurgitating what the 'experts' say and tell my why YOU think he is the right guy for us and what makes him that much better than every other QB coming out.

[SINIK4L]

grendel (3/4/2008)

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I've asked that a number of times, but never gotten an answer. They usually resort to attacking my assertion that his stats show him for what he is by attacking stats in general, as halsey did above, but never actually give any information about why they like Ryan.

Evidently, we are 'less informed' than some of our other brighter fans. We should just like Ryan because the 'experts' do.

[halsey]

grendel (3/4/2008)

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halsey (3/4/2008)

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How many good QB's coming out in the last 15 years in the NFL had bad college stats? I'll give you one: Matt Hasselbeck. Name another.

Good QB's in the NFL have good numbers in college, but not all QB's with good numbers in college are good NFL QB's. By and large, though, you can say that a guy with bad numbers in college will not get it done in the NFL.

Matt Hasselbeck? From Boston College? He won't make it. His arm is average and his numbers weren't good in college.

[bryced]

I didn't realize Cutler's YPA were so low, but 21 / 9 >> 31 / 19

They're essentially equal on completion percentage and YPA, but Cutler is 43 % higher in his TD / INT ratio (2.333 TD / INT vs. 1.632 TD / INT)

[b Not to mention the fact that Cutler has an absolute cannon for an arm compared to the average at best arm strength of Ryan.

[halsey]

falkonX7 (3/4/2008)

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falkonX7 (3/4/2008)

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Someone tell me, in your own words (not Mayocks or McShays) what makes Ryan so special. I just want to hear what someone other than the so called 'experts' thinks makes him so great. It can't be his stats.

Is this too much to ask? Stop regurgitating what the 'experts' say and tell my why YOU think he is the right guy for us and what makes him that much better than every other QB coming out.

They're called 'experts' for a reason and I don't have game tape to spend hours scouting Matt Ryan like they do. I'm sure you always know better than the experts though. Teams are blowing up your phone trying to get you to come work for them since you're the one human being that always knows how a prospect will turn out in the NFL.