Michael Turner

[615saint]

Couple days have gone by and not one Falcons' fan has been on here talking about the Turner signing?

Are you guys depressed that it is going to cut into Norwood's 5miles per game average or has Turner just been brought in for backup (in case Norwood can't carry the ball 30 times a game for 16 games). Are you concerned that Turner and Dunn will end up in your backfield and Norwood released?

Seriously - good signing. I had my fingers crossed that somehow the Saints would end up grabbing him.

[Ethanga62890]

Good signing but RC is dead right now, which is why it hasn't been posted. I think that Turner/Norwood combination will be VERY deadly regardless of who the QB is. Norwood led the league in YPC again last year and we should be at least more stable at the QB position this year.

[IonSen88]

615saint (3/3/2008)

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Couple days have gone by and not one Falcons' fan has been on here talking about the Turner signing?

Are you guys depressed that it is going to cut into Norwood's 5miles per game average or has Turner just been brought in for backup (in case Norwood can't carry the ball 30 times a game for 16 games). Are you concerned that Turner and Dunn will end up in your backfield and Norwood released?

Seriously - good signing. I had my fingers crossed that somehow the Saints would end up grabbing him.

While you're taking shots at Norwood, Jerious is still going to out rush Reginald on 50 fewer carries.... :hehe:

Why would the Saints grab him anyway? Unless they cut McAllister or Reginald (more ideal departure).

[615saint]

IonSen88 (3/3/2008)

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615saint (3/3/2008)

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Couple days have gone by and not one Falcons' fan has been on here talking about the Turner signing?

Are you guys depressed that it is going to cut into Norwood's 5miles per game average or has Turner just been brought in for backup (in case Norwood can't carry the ball 30 times a game for 16 games). Are you concerned that Turner and Dunn will end up in your backfield and Norwood released?

Seriously - good signing. I had my fingers crossed that somehow the Saints would end up grabbing him.

While you're taking shots at Norwood, Jerious is still going to out rush Reginald on 50 fewer carries.... :hehe:

Why would the Saints grab him anyway? Unless they cut McAllister or Reginald (more ideal departure).

We'll see on the Norwood effectiveness. Are we only comparing rushes or are we allowed to use all stats from each back?

The Falcons have had three coaching staffs in a row now that haven't seen Norwood as a feature back. He looks to the casual observer like he's got plenty of talent - so there's got to be something else going on (spare me the Dunn/Blank conspiracy theory). Where there's smoke, there's fire. I asked in a previous thread what could be holding Norwood back? Is he that much of a liability in the "passing" game? Does he not grasp the game plan? What the **** is going on? I look forward to your answers before I waste another late round pick in FF on him.

As far as wanting Turner - I am a huge Deuce fan (see below) but I have serious concerns about his ability to return this year and his future status with the team. We have an UDFA from last year (Pierre Thomas) that was pretty good against the Bears, but I am skeptical about his long term effectiveness as well.

If last year showed anything on offense, it was that we need to have a thumper in the game in order for the offense to fire correctly. Turner would have filled that hole. While I would be sad to see Deuce go, I am more interested in the Saints doing well than with having to replace yet another jersey I bought. Alternatively, grabbing Matt Forte in the 3rd or Jacob Hester (LSU homer...) in the 4th would go a ways toward shoring up the "thumper" role we need on offense. (although it would freak out every Saints' fan that wants defense in every round...)

Cutting Reggie is a stupid suggestion and you know it.

[IonSen88]

615saint (3/3/2008)

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We'll see on the Norwood effectiveness. Are we only comparing rushes or are we allowed to use all stats from each back?

The Falcons have had three coaching staffs in a row now that haven't seen Norwood as a feature back. He looks to the casual observer like he's got plenty of talent - so there's got to be something else going on (spare me the Dunn/Blank conspiracy theory). Where there's smoke, there's fire. I asked in a previous thread what could be holding Norwood back? Is he that much of a liability in the "passing" game? Does he not grasp the game plan? What the **** is going on? I look forward to your answers before I waste another late round pick in FF on him.

As far as wanting Turner - I am a huge Deuce fan (see below) but I have serious concerns about his ability to return this year and his future status with the team. We have an UDFA from last year (Pierre Thomas) that was pretty good against the Bears, but I am skeptical about his long term effectiveness as well.

If last year showed anything on offense, it was that we need to have a thumper in the game in order for the offense to fire correctly. Turner would have filled that hole. While I would be sad to see Deuce go, I am more interested in the Saints doing well than with having to replace yet another jersey I bought. Alternatively, grabbing Matt Forte in the 3rd or Jacob Hester (LSU homer...) in the 4th would go a ways toward shoring up the "thumper" role we need on offense. (although it would freak out every Saints' fan that wants defense in every round...)

Cutting Reggie is a stupid suggestion and you know it.

Coach doesn't know much about Norwood besides what he's seen on film, and I can sure tell you there's little-to-nothing on film suggesting Jerious doesn't deserve more carries (unless you're a pass freak). There's alot of talk about him not being able to 'carry the load', but no one knows what one is capable of until they're given the opportunity to display their capabilities. Unless Jerious is behind the scenes begging for 7 carries a game, I don't see why they haven't tried it once; even in garbage games where we were playing for nothing.

What we do know is that Norwood produces on the football field when he receives the rock. If you drafted Jerious to be your featured back (while he isn't on the Falcons), that's your own fault. Until Norwood is given the featured slot, I don't see why one would draft him in FF to be theirs. I picked up Norwood, but also used Brian Westbrook and I won my first league's championship. Norwood is a great #3 fantasy football backup running back.

I see where you're coming from with McAllister. I'd say if Deuce cannot get it done in 2008 then it is time to part ways, but the guy was a 1,000 yard rusher in 2006. His age and durability is now a question, but I think he can still hit the holes with success.

Reginald sucks and you know it, but had you not given that scatback as much money as you did, it wouldn't be as crazy to you as you believe. Personally, if I was a Saints fan (God forbid), I sure as **** wouldn't mind trading him for a safety and a 4th round pick.

[615saint]

IonSen88 (3/3/2008)

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615saint (3/3/2008)

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Coach doesn't know much about Norwood besides what he's seen on film, and I can sure tell you there's little-to-nothing on film suggesting Jerious doesn't deserve more carries (unless you're a pass freak). There's alot of talk about him not being able to 'carry the load', but no one knows what one is capable of until they're given the opportunity to display their capabilities. Unless Jerious is behind the scenes begging for 7 carries a game, I don't see why they haven't tried it once; even in garbage games where we were playing for nothing.

What we do know is that Norwood produces on the football field when he receives the rock. If you drafted Jerious to be your featured back (while he isn't on the Falcons), that's your own fault. Until Norwood is given the featured slot, I don't see why one would draft him in FF to be theirs. I picked up Norwood, but also used Brian Westbrook and I won my first league's championship. Norwood is a great #3 fantasy football backup running back.

I see where you're coming from with McAllister. I'd say if Deuce cannot get it done in 2008 then it is time to part ways, but the guy was a 1,000 yard rusher in 2006. His age and durability is now a question, but I think he can still hit the holes with success.

Reginald sucks and you know it, but had you not given that scatback as much money as you did, it wouldn't be as crazy to you as you believe. Personally, if I was a Saints fan (God forbid), I sure as **** wouldn't mind trading him for a safety and a 4th round pick.

Your coach has seen enough of Norwood to pick up Turner. That's all I am saying. They have effectively killed the possibility of him being the featured back before any OTAs have been held.

I picked up Norwood in the 12th round of a 12 team offense/defense player keeper league. For the spot I got him, he was tremendous value (or so I thought). Basing my pick on RC's rabid belief that the guy was going to oust Dunn and put up amazing numbers. My main RB was Deuce (injured in week 4), and the rookie in Buffalo. I picked up LenDale White the round after Norwood and dropped Norwood after week 3 in order to pick up another linebacker or something. I won my league this year as well.

The amount of money the Saints pay Reggie does not concern me in the least. We have not missed out on any FA because of his contract, we are not in **** because of his cap hit. His production has been decent, if not spectacular. There are scenarios where trading Reggie would be fine. No man is a team, and if we could win one more game a year by dropping Reggie, I would be the first guy in line to vote for it. Your idea of grabbing a safety and a mid rounder has no teeth. Those upgrades would do nothing to compensate the Saints and New Orleans for what they would lose in Reggie and the idea is poor fishing at best.

[ki45toryu]

We dont need a horse to carry the rock, just a mixture of thunder and lightning.

Turner is explosive in his own right, but is better between the tackles.

If we continue to improve our inept line, it should be fun watching 2 players that led the NFL in YPC in 3 straight years.

[IonSen88]

615saint (3/3/2008)

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Your coach has seen enough of Norwood to pick up Turner. That's all I am saying. They have effectively killed the possibility of him being the featured back before any OTAs have been held.

I picked up Norwood in the 12th round of a 12 team offense/defense player keeper league. For the spot I got him, he was tremendous value (or so I thought). Basing my pick on RC's rabid belief that the guy was going to oust Dunn and put up amazing numbers. My main RB was Deuce (injured in week 4), and the rookie in Buffalo. I picked up LenDale White the round after Norwood and dropped Norwood after week 3 in order to pick up another linebacker or something. I won my league this year as well.

The amount of money the Saints pay Reggie does not concern me in the least. We have not missed out on any FA because of his contract, we are not in **** because of his cap hit. His production has been decent, if not spectacular. There are scenarios where trading Reggie would be fine. No man is a team, and if we could win one more game a year by dropping Reggie, I would be the first guy in line to vote for it. Your idea of grabbing a safety and a mid rounder has no teeth. Those upgrades would do nothing to compensate the Saints and New Orleans for what they would lose in Reggie and the idea is poor fishing at best.

It could've been TD and Blank on the signing more so than Coach Smith. Either way, I doubt it because there's not enough time in the day to evaluate all of our players in the time he's been here. I think it was more of him buying into his weight and deciding he'd rather have that big bruiser. Jerious really hasn't gotten much of a fair-shake.

Apparently, the league you joined isn't conducive for drafting players of Norwood's stature, or playing time. You aren't given enough slots to draft or hold players that don't get starter touches. Thankfully, my league offered me 2 starting RB slots and 5 bench players. During bye weeks and injuries, Jerious provided me with 240 points as a backup which gave me a tremendous advantage as it's almost impossible to hold more than 2 starting backs in our league.

Well, you know how I feel about Reginald so it's no use in repeating it 4000 times. But you've gotta wonder if dropping him for some need positions would make New Orleans a better team. Lets face it, the guy cannot run the football. You can find scatbacks that can catch simple swing passes out of the backfield and return punts 50 horizontal yards.

PS: He should've oust Dunn, as Warrick was doing nothing all season long. Veteran respect towards Dunn afforded him an opportunity to suck wind and keep his 'starting' role. By the way, Norwood is better than Dunn.

[saint vitus]

I'll take Reggie Bush rushing 500/600 yds, and receiving 600/700 yds all day.

Why? because he isn't a traditional RB and you can use him in so many ways because of

his speed and sure hands.

Having him grind out yds between the tackles all day would be like using a Ferrari

for a demolition derby.

I guarantee Coach Payton wised up last season when forced to have Reggie carry the load.

All he, or you, or anyone else has to do, is look at his effectiveness with how he was used

in his rookie season and USC.

Gamebreaking weapon, unlike anything I've ever seen of Norwood "the great Falcon hope."

Night night.

[ki45toryu]

saint vitus (3/3/2008)

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I'll take Reggie Bush rushing 500/600 yds, and receiving 600/700 yds all day.

Why? because he isn't a traditional RB and you can use him in so many ways because of

his speed and sure hands.

Having him grind out yds between the tackles all day would be like using a Ferrari

for a demolition derby.

I guarantee Coach Payton wised up last season when forced to have Reggie carry the load.

All he, or you, or anyone else has to do, is look at his effectiveness with how he was used

in his rookie season and USC.

Gamebreaking weapon, unlike anything I've ever seen of Norwood "the great Falcon hope."

Night night.

3.7 YPC and 5.7 Yards/catch is more like a pinto than a ferrari

And if you think Bush is a gamebreaking weapon, but Norwood isnt, perhaps you should review the top 10 runs of 2007 video on NFL.com...you will find a chicken legged RB in the highlight video, and his name doesnt start with Reginald.

[saint vitus]

WhenFalconsWin (3/4/2008)

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We now have the best 1-2 punch of RBs in the NFC south without a doubt. We have the cruiser/bruiser in Turner, and the best breakaway threat in Norwood...haters can hate, but the truth is the truth!

Dang, how many carries do they both have collectively? I'd say about 100 total, lol.

[saint vitus]

ki45toryu (3/4/2008

3.7 YPC and 5.7 Yards/catch is more like a pinto than a ferrari

No, I'd have to say Norwood is more like the Pinto, cuz yall afraid to drive him too much on account he would break down.......like a Pinto.

[Bucman™®]

You cant run every down... need to pass sometime. jus sayin

[J. Falcon]

saint vitus (3/4/2008)

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ki45toryu (3/4/2008

3.7 YPC and 5.7 Yards/catch is more like a pinto than a ferrari

No, I'd have to say Norwood is more like the Pinto, cuz yall afraid to drive him too much on account he would break

down.......like a Pinto.

How many games has Reggie missed in his career? How many games has Norwood missed in his career?

[Ryan2RoddyTD]

Norwood has the potenetial to be a great RB if they use him correctly. Bush will never be dominant in the running game but is very good at catching the ball out of the backfield and retuning punts. I love watching Bush try to run the ball. Its like he knows where he wants to go but he just cant get his feet to listen lol so many times You will see a huge hole and it looks like he wants to hit it but his feet keep trying to run in a circle lmao

[ki45toryu]

bucman (3/4/2008)

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You cant run every down... need to pass sometime. jus sayin

True dat...and someone to block.

I think Redman might be a serviceable guy....he didnt look it against you guys, but any time the offensive coordinator/head coach up and leaves in the middle of the night, its bound to affect your gameplan.

That all being said, he is very unproven obviously.

At least we have some solid youngsters to chunk it to.

[IonSen88]

Mike Harrison (3/4/2008)

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Norwood has the potenetial to be a great RB if they use him correctly. Bush will never be dominant in the running game but is very good at catching the ball out of the backfield and retuning punts. I love watching Bush try to run the ball. Its like he knows where he wants to go but he just cant get his feet to listen lol so many times You will see a huge hole and it looks like he wants to hit it but his feet keep trying to run in a circle lmao

:laugh: :hehe:

[615saint]

WhenFalconsWin (3/5/2008)

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Which means we have to young fresh colts ready to roam fast and free!

It's still early, but this is the gayest thing I have read all day.

[Sniper Wolf]

All this talk about the upcoming, amazing, unstoppable Birdie run game has me a bit confused. Did you somehow go get an offensive line and not tell anyone?

[Corsair]

Here's the thing with Turner.

Before Turner, the Falcons were the worst team in the division going through a major blowup.

Now the above is still true, but they have a team strength that can be built around. No matter what is happening, they will rely on that running game. Of course, it all depends how Turner and Norwood play, but also the offensive line in general.

The Falcons may have the best 1-2 punch in the NFCS, but they don't have the best offensive line.

[IonSen88]

Corsair (3/6/2008)

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Here's the thing with Turner.

Before Turner, the Falcons were the worst team in the division going through a major blowup.

Now the above is still true, but they have a team strength that can be built around. No matter what is happening, they will rely on that running game. Of course, it all depends how Turner and Norwood play, but also the offensive line in general.

The Falcons may have the best 1-2 punch in the NFCS, but they don't have the best offensive line.

No one in this division has an established offensive line.

[Ethanga62890]

Sniper Wolf (3/6/2008)

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All this talk about the upcoming, amazing, unstoppable Birdie run game has me a bit confused. Did you somehow go get an offensive line and not tell anyone?

Run blocking our OL did ok, Dunn has just lost a couple steps unfortunately. Thats why there is a 2.8 yard difference in Dunn's YPC and Norwoods.

[nuccah]

IonSen88 (3/3/2008)

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615saint (3/3/2008)

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The Falcons have had three coaching staffs in a row now that haven't seen Norwood as a feature back. He looks to the casual observer like he's got plenty of talent - so there's got to be something else going on (spare me the Dunn/Blank conspiracy theory). Where there's smoke, there's fire. I asked in a previous thread what could be holding Norwood back? Is he that much of a liability in the "passing" game? Does he not grasp the game plan? What the **** is going on? I look forward to your answers before I waste another late round pick in FF on him.

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I'm kind of suprised no one else correctly answered this. Everytime we gave Norwood extensive touches, he got nicked up. He can't stay healthy, or is just not tough enough to stay healthy.

[J. Falcon]

Corsair (3/6/2008)

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Here's the thing with Turner.

Before Turner, the Falcons were the worst team in the division going through a major blowup.

Now the above is still true, but they have a team strength that can be built around. No matter what is happening, they will rely on that running game. Of course, it all depends how Turner and Norwood play, but also the offensive line in general.

The Falcons may have the best 1-2 punch in the NFCS, but they don't have the best offensive line.

True. Turner and Norwood won't be able to fully show their talents unless we improve our o-line. We need to pick at least one vet O-lineman and draft at least three O-linemen.