Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Sorry but we need more help at the Defensive tackle position then getting Jake Long with our first round pick. Glenn Dorsey > Jake LongSedrick Ellis > Jake LongI just hope we don't waste a first rounder on Jake Long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faninmd Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 If he is there we should take him. If not go DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 faninmd (3/2/2008)If he is there we should take him. If not go DT.There or not, hes still a waste of a pick knowing we can get a good Tackle in the later rounds. You don't get other Glenn Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis every year now when you can get a Jake Long just about every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 per NFLN we may be trading down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 Legion (3/2/2008)per NFLN we may be trading down.doubt it, even if we do, one of those guys will still be there and we will not be trading out of the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeyes Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 we need to draft a lineman in the first...end of story...who, it doesn't matter...just don't draft Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 I want Glenn Dorsey. the dude is a MONSTER, and it just cincy making up these stories, so Dorsey falls to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran-dawg Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 If we sign Williams we maybe able to trade down. I will say this, there is a big drop off at DT after Dorsey and Ellis, where as for OT, this is a very deep draft. Unless TD thinks that J Long is just so much better than the rest, we may be going with a DT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloxygenil Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 No, we should select the player who best suits what the team is trying to do...get stronger up the middle. If the team feels that Dorsey or Ellis are that guy fine, if not Jake Long is the monster we need. We're still lacking a LT (unless Quinn really is what they're looking for) and that's going to be HUGE in what we want to do, physically dominate teams and control the clock.I like Dorsey and if his injuries aren't too bad sure, he'd be worth the pick, but right now the big board has to go based on who is the best available player at a position of need.Needs:1 a.) LT1 b.) NT2.) QBPlayer Rankings1.) Jake Long2a.) Glen Dorsey2b.) Sedric Ellis3.) Matt RyanWhen you have a need at a serious position like LT then you have that as #1. I know we've helped our offense out a lot, but we need a RG and LT still and possibly a C. I think Clabo is good enough to fill the RG position, but honestly I'd rather have him at RT so we can move Weiner's contract but we need depth on the OL you just can't keep that position healthy. So bringing in a Mo Williams for the RG spot and letting Clabo back up the offensive line could be good as well...but we still need a LT. I believe that if Carl Nicks would be there at the top of round 2 for us that he may be a better value there, but I also believe that Pat Sims can really be a great pickup at the top of round 2 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossFALCON™ Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 GEORGIAfan (3/2/2008)I want Glenn Dorsey. the dude is a MONSTER, and it just cincy making up these stories, so Dorsey falls to them.yea it will be a lot easier picking now since we dont have to deal with the mcfadden hype. i think we may take dorsey or ellis because smith needs to beef up the line. we'll probably go OT with the one of the 2nds and qb with the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 Dorsey and Ellis > Jake Long...End of storyDefense first.I am against in drafting a QB or OL in the first round...We screw up and draft one of them, this team is screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Skelton Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Twinblade (3/2/2008)Sorry but we need more help at the Defensive tackle position then getting Jake Long with our first round pick. Glenn Dorsey > Jake LongSedrick Ellis > Jake LongI just hope we don't waste a first rounder on Jake Long.Jake Long will be worth that pick, and I don't have my heart set on Jake Long, I do agree with you, we drastically need the help on defense. I just think that our offensive line is what should be addressed first, but I'll go for defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 Michael Skelton (3/2/2008)Twinblade (3/2/2008)Sorry but we need more help at the Defensive tackle position then getting Jake Long with our first round pick. Glenn Dorsey > Jake LongSedrick Ellis > Jake LongI just hope we don't waste a first rounder on Jake Long.Jake Long will be worth that pick, and I don't have my heart set on Jake Long, I do agree with you, we drastically need the help on defense. I just think that our offensive line is what should be addressed first, but I'll go for defense.We don't need to waste a first round pick on Jake Long, hes good but sorry, We need Defense. We can pick up a really good Tackle in the 2nd round or late first round if we trade D.Hall so why screw up and take Jake Long which could be a huge bust for us.Falcons draft Jake Long, The team will be screwed on Defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark hunter Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 romfal (3/2/2008)we need to draft a lineman in the first...end of story...who, it doesn't matter...just don't draft Ryan we need o line more to help our new rb do what he can do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 mark hunter (3/2/2008)romfal (3/2/2008)we need to draft a lineman in the first...end of story...who, it doesn't matter...just don't draft Ryan we need o line more to help our new rb do what he can doSo we should **** well waste a **** first rounder on a **** Tackle with huge question marks as a Bust factor instead of drafting a real need such as Dorsey or Ellis?Sorry but Turner will be going up the middle the most, not left side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark hunter Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 what do you tink about drafting howies son & putting him at lb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloxygenil Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Twinblade (3/2/2008)Dorsey and Ellis > Jake Long...End of storyDefense first.I am against in drafting a QB or OL in the first round...We screw up and draft one of them, this team is screwed.This makes me hope that we take them even more so you'll have something else to gripe about and maybe you'll be a 'fan' of some other team.Oh and you seem to neglect the fact that ANY selection #3 overall has HUGE bust potential...that's why teams don't like picking that high...if you miss it really hurts up there.As far as a good tackle can be had in the 2nd...same goes for defensive tackles. It's all relative...you select the best fit for your team at the time.Don't let the door hit ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 iloxygenil (3/2/2008)Twinblade (3/2/2008)Dorsey and Ellis > Jake Long...End of storyDefense first.I am against in drafting a QB or OL in the first round...We screw up and draft one of them, this team is screwed.This makes me hope that we take them even more so you'll have something else to gripe about and maybe you'll be a 'fan' of some other team.Don't let the door hit ya.So I'm not a fan because of my opinion that its a huge ##### waste to waste a first rounder on Jake Long? I really hope we draft him and he becomes a huge **** bust. Then what are you going to do when this team finish 2-14 because this team have no defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zgotts Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 i agree 100%, and i think Mike Smith does too, especially considering he is coming from Jax, where he had John Henderson and Marcus Stroud.Glenn Dorsey is clearly the top prospect, but i'd sure hate to get him only to see him go down with an injury 3 games into the season.I think if the falcons get Dorsey or Sedrick Ellis they done good with the number 3.OT is clearly a need, but there is much more talent there than there is at DT.and i'm going to say it again, the Falcons HAVE to draft Joe Flacco!!! i watched him in some silly throwing competition at the Senior Bowl, and just seeing him stand there and hearing him talk among the big-leaguers, you could see he knew he belonged with all of them. that's the type of poise you want in your starting QB. Joe Flacco=this draft's Ben Rothelisberger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloxygenil Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 Twinblade (3/2/2008)iloxygenil (3/2/2008)Twinblade (3/2/2008)Dorsey and Ellis > Jake Long...End of storyDefense first.I am against in drafting a QB or OL in the first round...We screw up and draft one of them, this team is screwed.This makes me hope that we take them even more so you'll have something else to gripe about and maybe you'll be a 'fan' of some other team.Don't let the door hit ya.So I'm not a fan because of my opinion that its a huge ##### waste to waste a first rounder on Jake Long? I really hope we draft him and he becomes a huge **** bust. Then what are you going to do when this team finish 2-14 because this team have no defense?No, you're not a fan because you want the team to bust if they don't draft EXACTLY how you want them to.No matter who we pick (EVEN Matt Ryan) I'm going to pull for them, some players will ##### me off more than others, but I still want the team to win. Just because you think balancing the power out is better doesn't mean it is. You forget that we have Trey Lewis and Jonathan Babineaux starting? Trey was great last year until he got hurt and will only get better with more opportunity...Babs was great whenever he was on the field starting or not...the problem here is that the Falcons weakness at LT far outweighs the weakness at NT (we have 1 capable player at LT and he's our starting RT) vs NT where we have Trey Lewis and Montavious Stanley who looked good as a spell player (obviously wouldn't want him on the field all the time).Then you measure Jake Long vs Dorsey (injury concerns, incredible talent) and Ellis (came in a little smaller than one would like at NT, but can't knock what his production is) and you look at Jake Long (has been an absolute staple at Michigan for years...hasn't missed a game due to injury in quite some time, and absolutely dominated, Jake Long would have been the #5 overall selection in last year's draft no doubt about it, this year he's only gotten better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 iloxygenil (3/2/2008)Twinblade (3/2/2008)iloxygenil (3/2/2008)Twinblade (3/2/2008)Dorsey and Ellis > Jake Long...End of storyDefense first.I am against in drafting a QB or OL in the first round...We screw up and draft one of them, this team is screwed.This makes me hope that we take them even more so you'll have something else to gripe about and maybe you'll be a 'fan' of some other team.Don't let the door hit ya.So I'm not a fan because of my opinion that its a huge ##### waste to waste a first rounder on Jake Long? I really hope we draft him and he becomes a huge **** bust. Then what are you going to do when this team finish 2-14 because this team have no defense?No, you're not a fan because you want the team to bust if they don't draft EXACTLY how you want them to.No matter who we pick (EVEN Matt Ryan) I'm going to pull for them, some players will ##### me off more than others, but I still want the team to win. Just because you think balancing the power out is better doesn't mean it is. You forget that we have Trey Lewis and Jonathan Babineaux starting? Trey was great last year until he got hurt and will only get better with more opportunity...Babs was great whenever he was on the field starting or not...the problem here is that the Falcons weakness at LT far outweighs the weakness at NT (we have 1 capable player at LT and he's our starting RT) vs NT where we have Trey Lewis and Montavious Stanley who looked good as a spell player (obviously wouldn't want him on the field all the time).Then you measure Jake Long vs Dorsey (injury concerns, incredible talent) and Ellis (came in a little smaller than one would like at NT, but can't knock what his production is) and you look at Jake Long (has been an absolute staple at Michigan for years...hasn't missed a game due to injury in quite some time, and absolutely dominated, Jake Long would have been the #5 overall selection in last year's draft no doubt about it, this year he's only gotten better...So we should draft Jake Long instead of drafting a DT that can become a real monster in the nfl knowing we can get a really good OT in the 2nd round or late 1st round? But I guess I'm not a real 'fan' as you like to put it. After all the truth never lies...No Defense, No wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark hunter Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 and he only had 2 false start penalties in 4 years....thats worth alot....he is a disiplined lineman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted March 3, 2008 Author Share Posted March 3, 2008 mark hunter (3/2/2008)and he only had 2 false start penalties in 4 years....thats worth alot....he is a disiplined linemanAnd thats college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iloxygenil Posted March 3, 2008 Share Posted March 3, 2008 So because he's playing in the pros now he's going to jump the snap every time? No #####, a disciplined player is a disciplined player. I'm not saying he's going to be the next Walter Jones, but he's got a great physical make up, moves better than most thought he would, strongest player in the draft along with some of the longest arms. Remember the guy did 38 reps of 225 pounds and had 1 taken away to be tied for the lead at 37...that's impressive with 35+ inch arms.You're saying that Dorsey (a prospect I really like) who has major injury concerns is a MORE sure fire thing than a LT who has virtually 0 injury history and you can count the number of sacks he's ever given up on 1 hand...You're BRILLIANT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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