Twinblade Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I think this will be a mistake, I think this team is best fit for a Tampa 2 imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons4life Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Im not sure what you are saying here. The Tampa 2 is but a small variant of the cover 2 isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenwood Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Is that what Smith ran in Jacksonville? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconva7 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I disagree, the Tampa 2 requires a really good pass rush (which we don't have), two great safeties (which we don't have), and physical zone corners (we have 3 bump-and-run corners).Our defense wasn't really that terrible last year, and they looked a lot worse because our offense was consistently going 3 and out. I don't think our system was bad last year we just need a couple more pieces (DT, safety, and for Jamaal to come around and learn to pass rush). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 falcons4life (2/29/2008)Im not sure what you are saying here. The Tampa 2 is but a small variant of the cover 2 isnt it?They are very similar but the difference is the MLB.The MLB bascially drops deep like a 3rd safety. He has to be able to move up if it's a running play.Currently we both have corners that excel in man coverage. Houston actually struggles with zone coverage.So it looks like Houston will be our #1 corner and I guess Irons will be the number 2 corner.So our starting corners will be second year players with almost no pass rush.Oh yeah. It's going to be a long season next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somecut8 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 man cover 2 is fine, tampa 2 is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atowndown Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Twinblade (2/29/2008)I think this will be a mistake, I think this team is best fit for a Tampa 2 imo.They are almost identical bro.....Mike Smith ran a Tampa 2 in Jax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 We can get Dorsey for pass rushing, or Sedrick Ellis, if Kenny Phillips falls to us in the 2nd round, I could see us drafting him as well.Depends really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Atowndown08 (2/29/2008)Twinblade (2/29/2008)I think this will be a mistake, I think this team is best fit for a Tampa 2 imo.They are almost identical bro.....Mike Smith ran a Tampa 2 in JaxI don't know what you guys are talking about.Both a cover 2 or Tampa 2 require that you be able to generate a pass rush with just your front 4 linemen.We can't do that. Not unless we draft a DT and Jamaal Anderson has the biggest turn around in NFL history.Just prepare yourself for a looooong season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Reason why We need Briggs, Hes a Cover 2 LB, Boley should get resigned...Is there a way to get we could do thisBriggsRe-sign BoleyDraft and Sign Glenn Dorsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzCliche Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Twinblade (2/29/2008)Reason why We need Briggs, Hes a Cover 2 LB, Boley should get resigned...Is there a way to get we could do thisBriggsRe-sign BoleyDraft and Sign Glenn Dorseylol cover 2 linebacker.... jesus christ this board is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Ace Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Mike Smith did NOT run a base Cover 2 defense. Every team in the NFL uses the Cover 2 defense.As for saying we are a team fit for the Tampa 2, LMAO. Let me explain that.The Tampa 2 requires - 1. Play making safeties that are great in deep pass coverage(Bob Sanders). Jimmy Williams, maybe, if he would live up to his potential. Crocker/Milloy, NO. 2. CBs that can play bump and run. Good solid tacklers, pretty much just fast LBs. Hall and Houston are pure cover corners. It would be criminal not to use them as such.3. Quick and speedy LBs and that versatile(good side to side speed), decent pass coverage abilities, and can support against the run. Boley can do anything, DMO is a no.4. A MLB that is pretty much a freak of nature. Can do everything from play run support, deep pass coverage, fast sideline to sideline speed, lead the defense. Brooking is a no...5. A nasty defensive line with DEs that are expert pass rushers with DTs that can clog up the middle with the best of them. Abraham, check. Jamaal Anderson, not until he devolops. Trey Lewis, maybe. We need another solid DT. So if we are going to adopt the Tampa 2 we need to find two new safeties, new CBs, a new MLB, a new WLB, some nasty DTs, and hope Jamaal Anderson can get on the ball in the next two years at least. We will not be able to do ANYTHING until we can sure up our defensive line in the middle. We are best suited for an aggressive man to man defense. Lots of man to man coverage, 1-2 safeties over the top at most, and frequent use of blitzing safeties and LBs. With this system we would need to find a new FS, MLB, and just sure up our DT position. I really did like our defense under (******, forgot his name), it was pretty suited to us and I liked it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Ace Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 BTW, Smith did NOT run a Tampa 2 in Jacksonville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 They are very similar but the difference is the MLB.The MLB bascially drops deep like a 3rd safety. He has to be able to move up if it's a running play.Currently we both have corners that excel in man coverage. Houston actually struggles with zone coverage.So it looks like Houston will be our #1 corner and I guess Irons will be the number 2 corner.So our starting corners will be second year players with almost no pass rush.Oh yeah. It's going to be a long season next year. We will not swing into an effective Cover2 from one year to another. However, we may be able to draft a prospect capable of becoming a very good Cover-2 MLB. Check out SS Josh Barrett from Arizona. He has he size, speed and attitude to excel in the Cover-2.If we draft Dorsey, we will see a major improvement in our pass rush. We are not far off the mark. Stay patient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Label Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 falconva7 (2/29/2008)I disagree, the Tampa 2 requires a really good pass rush (which we don't have), two great safeties (which we don't have), and physical zone corners (we have 3 bump-and-run corners).Our defense wasn't really that terrible last year, and they looked a lot worse because our offense was consistently going 3 and out. I don't think our system was bad last year we just need a couple more pieces (DT, safety, and for Jamaal to come around and learn to pass rush).You really just wasted a whole bunch of words. Did Tampa have all of those at first? How do you know that the defense didn't make the players better? How good would Ronde be in any other type of defense? Smith is building this team. That is probably why he has the job, and everyone else is on this message board with only opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinzCliche Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 What the **** are you people talking about? A cover 2 MLB? Hate to break it to you, but the 2 2s in Cover 2; neither one of those 2s stand for a LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Ace Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Why do people think Mike Smith ran as base Cover 2 defense in Jax? People here are really amazing. We cannot even come close to running that as our base defense, or the Tampa 2. The first thing you look at with a Tampa2/Cover 2 base defense if how good your safeties are. Are safeties are ##### poor in pass coverage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconfan4197 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Twinblade (2/29/2008)I think this will be a mistake, I think this team is best fit for a Tampa 2 imo.i dont like the tampa 2 it leaves the middle of the feild open for the first 10-15 yards imo since our new head coach has many years of experience with the cover 2 we should keep that flame going rather then start a new one. Mike Smith would have to study the tampa 2 as he is teaching it. If he stays with the cover 2 he would be teaching something he is comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted February 29, 2008 Author Share Posted February 29, 2008 Well it seems we are doing a cover 2...we are pretty much screwed are we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Ace Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Twinblade (2/29/2008)Well it seems we are doing a cover 2...we are pretty much screwed are we.Who said Smith was doing a base Cover 2 defense. It's made up and simply a fabrication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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