SAMUEL "DONE DEAL" IN NEW ORLEANS

[nawlinsaintfan]

POSTED 9:03 p.m. EST, February 26, 2008

SAMUEL SAID TO BE A "DONE DEAL" IN NEW ORLEANS

There's increasing chatter in league circles that the Saints have worked out a deal with cornerback Asante Samuel.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[IonSen88]

nawlinsaintfan (2/26/2008)

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POSTED 9:03 p.m. EST, February 26, 2008

SAMUEL SAID TO BE A "DONE DEAL" IN NEW ORLEANS

There's increasing chatter in league circles that the Saints have worked out a deal with cornerback Asante Samuel.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

After watching him get worked in the Super Bowl, I hope the Saints sign him to that large contract; 10 years for 100 million dollars. Good or no good, that is one lofty price for a defensive back.

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

IonSen88 (2/26/2008)

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nawlinsaintfan (2/26/2008)

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POSTED 9:03 p.m. EST, February 26, 2008

SAMUEL SAID TO BE A "DONE DEAL" IN NEW ORLEANS

There's increasing chatter in league circles that the Saints have worked out a deal with cornerback Asante Samuel.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

After watching him get worked in the Super Bowl, I hope the Saints sign him to that large contract; 10 years for 100 million dollars. Good or no good, that is one lofty price for a defensive back.

Every CB gets worked at least sometime in their career. The only time he got beat was that Tyree TD and that was it.

But before, he has been a solid cover corner with good ball skills. But yes, 100 million is crazy.

[nuccah]

I feel sorry for NO.

Wait.

No I don't

$100m hahaha

[615saint]

All this does is make Deangelo Hall harder to sign.

I hope we don't get Samuel. I'd rather see us switch to a cover 2 defense then maintain our man coverage.

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

But he dropped it and that's that....

You still can't ignore his production and past accomplishments.

[Dago]

he aint worth the money....no corner is

spend the money on the front 7 and you will do ok with decent CBs

[IonSen88]

BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/27/2008)

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But he dropped it and that's that....

You still can't ignore his production and past accomplishments.

He's overrated. All I've got to say is I hope you guys pay that system corner the 10 years - 100 million dollars that he's asking for...

[jungleking]

I can't wait to see a 100 million dollar investment get worked over by Steve Smith twice a year for the next...forever, really. Well done, guys. Well done.

And by the way, that's a PFT story. I don't trust anything that comes from there.

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

IonSen88 (2/27/2008)

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BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/27/2008)

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But he dropped it and that's that....

You still can't ignore his production and past accomplishments.

He's overrated. All I've got to say is I hope you guys pay that system corner the 10 years - 100 million dollars that he's asking for...

Whether you think he is overrated or not, that is your opinion.

All I know is that he's a pretty good darn corner, playing in either man, zone, or any other coverage their running. So it seems to be that he excels at everything, but has flaws here and there. Like I said, you still can't ignore his stats and accomplishments. They are very impressive. Even Champ Bailey thinks Asante is the best corner after him, which is very telling...don't you think?

And if he does sign with the Saints...great. At least their trying to improve the defense. They have enough cap space to sign him, still have a handful of cap space AFTER to make moves, and will be completely fine with the cap if he is a "bust". I really doubt he will get that 100 million, maybe lower then 95. I'm pretty sure the Saints will do their homework if they covet him, after the Jason David debacle last year. So if Samuel signs here, and lives up to his contract billing, then watch out NFC South.:cool:

[IonSen88]

BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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Whether you think he is overrated or not, that is your opinion.

All I know is that he's a pretty good darn corner, playing in either man, zone, or any other coverage their running. So it seems to be that he excels at everything, but has flaws here and there. Like I said, you still can't ignore his stats and accomplishments. They are very impressive. Even Champ Bailey thinks Asante is the best corner after him, which is very telling...don't you think?

And if he does sign with the Saints...great. At least their trying to improve the defense. They have enough cap space to sign him, still have a handful of cap space AFTER to make moves, and will be completely fine with the cap if he is a "bust". I really doubt he will get that 100 million, maybe lower then 95. I'm pretty sure the Saints will do their homework if they covet him, after the Jason David debacle last year. So if Samuel signs here, and lives up to his contract billing, then watch out NFC South.:cool:

Uhh, the reason he is considered a system corner is because he flourishes in the cover two and hardly anything else. New Orleans primarily plays man-to-man.

Trying and actually doing so are two different things. Teams try every year, but what does it matter when backup quarterbacks look like aces against your defensive unit? New Orleans has multiple needs and breaking the bank on one player is not ideal. What you'd be doing is setting yourself up for cap **** a few years down the road. In addition, those same Saints you trust to do their homework, did their homework on Jason David and if they didn't, they won't on Asante. Bottomline, paying that much for a single defensive back, a system corner at that, is not very smart and as rivals (if you haven't noticed) this division welcomes it with open arms.

[615saint]

IonSen88 (2/28/2008)

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BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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Whether you think he is overrated or not, that is your opinion.

All I know is that he's a pretty good darn corner, playing in either man, zone, or any other coverage their running. So it seems to be that he excels at everything, but has flaws here and there. Like I said, you still can't ignore his stats and accomplishments. They are very impressive. Even Champ Bailey thinks Asante is the best corner after him, which is very telling...don't you think?

And if he does sign with the Saints...great. At least their trying to improve the defense. They have enough cap space to sign him, still have a handful of cap space AFTER to make moves, and will be completely fine with the cap if he is a "bust". I really doubt he will get that 100 million, maybe lower then 95. I'm pretty sure the Saints will do their homework if they covet him, after the Jason David debacle last year. So if Samuel signs here, and lives up to his contract billing, then watch out NFC South.:cool:

Uhh, the reason he is considered a system corner is because he flourishes in the cover two and hardly anything else. New Orleans primarily plays man-to-man.

Trying and actually doing so are two different things. Teams try every year, but what does it matter when backup quarterbacks look like aces against your defensive unit? New Orleans has multiple needs and breaking the bank on one player is not ideal. What you'd be doing is setting yourself up for cap **** a few years down the road. In addition, those same Saints you trust to do their homework, did their homework on Jason David and if they didn't, they won't on Asante. Bottomline, paying that much for a single defensive back, a system corner at that, is not very smart and as rivals (if you haven't noticed) this division welcomes it with open arms.

I think it's cute that Falcons' fans are warning us about cap ****.

I agree though - giving any player a 100 million dollar contract is ludicrous.

Ionsen - explain your statement that Samuel has flourished in the cover two system and hardly anything else. What other system has he played in? How far back are you going? Or are you just basing that on random plays within games where the Pats may not have been in traditional cover two?

I am not of the belief that we will actually sign Samuel, but, if it happens, I am still holding out hopes that we are switching to a cover two scheme. Afterall, we would have picked up a cover two corner last year and another one this year. Maybe the Jason David signing was not as crazy as it seemed? Maybe he was signed in anticipation of switching schemes? Sacrifice the short term losses for long term gains?

yep, that is what I will choose to believe today. :cool:

[nawlinsaintfan]

I am still waiting for any sort of evidence that indicates that Samuel is a "Cover 2" or "System" CB. He has been with the Pats since day one... and the Pats are not a strict "Cover 2" team... nor do they run one specific "System". They, in fact, run different variations of the 3-4, 4-3, man-to-man, zone, cover 2, cover 3, etc defenses. The one thing you read about Samuel in just about every scouting report, is his versitility to play (and excel) in the wide variations of the schemes that the Pats run.

If anyone has evidence to the contrary... please present it... I'd be interested to see it.

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

IonSen88 (2/28/2008)

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BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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Whether you think he is overrated or not, that is your opinion.

All I know is that he's a pretty good darn corner, playing in either man, zone, or any other coverage their running. So it seems to be that he excels at everything, but has flaws here and there. Like I said, you still can't ignore his stats and accomplishments. They are very impressive. Even Champ Bailey thinks Asante is the best corner after him, which is very telling...don't you think?

And if he does sign with the Saints...great. At least their trying to improve the defense. They have enough cap space to sign him, still have a handful of cap space AFTER to make moves, and will be completely fine with the cap if he is a "bust". I really doubt he will get that 100 million, maybe lower then 95. I'm pretty sure the Saints will do their homework if they covet him, after the Jason David debacle last year. So if Samuel signs here, and lives up to his contract billing, then watch out NFC South.:cool:

Uhh, the reason he is considered a system corner is because he flourishes in the cover two and hardly anything else. New Orleans primarily plays man-to-man.

Trying and actually doing so are two different things. Teams try every year, but what does it matter when backup quarterbacks look like aces against your defensive unit? New Orleans has multiple needs and breaking the bank on one player is not ideal. What you'd be doing is setting yourself up for cap **** a few years down the road. In addition, those same Saints you trust to do their homework, did their homework on Jason David and if they didn't, they won't on Asante. Bottomline, paying that much for a single defensive back, a system corner at that, is not very smart and as rivals (if you haven't noticed) this division welcomes it with open arms.

IonSen88 (2/28/2008)

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BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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Whether you think he is overrated or not, that is your opinion.

All I know is that he's a pretty good darn corner, playing in either man, zone, or any other coverage their running. So it seems to be that he excels at everything, but has flaws here and there. Like I said, you still can't ignore his stats and accomplishments. They are very impressive. Even Champ Bailey thinks Asante is the best corner after him, which is very telling...don't you think?

And if he does sign with the Saints...great. At least their trying to improve the defense. They have enough cap space to sign him, still have a handful of cap space AFTER to make moves, and will be completely fine with the cap if he is a "bust". I really doubt he will get that 100 million, maybe lower then 95. I'm pretty sure the Saints will do their homework if they covet him, after the Jason David debacle last year. So if Samuel signs here, and lives up to his contract billing, then watch out NFC South.:cool:

Uhh, the reason he is considered a system corner is because he flourishes in the cover two and hardly anything else. New Orleans primarily plays man-to-man.

Trying and actually doing so are two different things. Teams try every year, but what does it matter when backup quarterbacks look like aces against your defensive unit? New Orleans has multiple needs and breaking the bank on one player is not ideal. What you'd be doing is setting yourself up for cap **** a few years down the road. In addition, those same Saints you trust to do their homework, did their homework on Jason David and if they didn't, they won't on Asante. Bottomline, paying that much for a single defensive back, a system corner at that, is not very smart and as rivals (if you haven't noticed) this division welcomes it with open arms.

No, you are wrong. The Pats don't mainly play a Cover-2, they do everything but they play mostly Zone and Man-To-Man. You can ask Pat fans that and Gil Brandt (a former GM and Player Personnel and respected), has even said that Samuel is not a player for the Cover-2 and would be terrible in it.

Saints employ a man-to-man. But that doesn't mean they run it all the time. A lot of games last year, they played Zone, the Eagles game being a prime example and even Cover-2.

The Saints WILL improve the D, and I'm sure of that. And the reason back-up QB have looked decent against our D, is cause of a short of talent at every position, inconsistent pass-rush and a conservative DC. Yeah, they have multiple needs but corner being the worst. So, it looks like they might solve the CB problem, almost solved their woes at MLB (Zach Thomas) and are after Vilma, and will probably draft a DT/D player at #10.

Didn't you read what I said? The Saints have the money to sign him and sign OTHER players as well and could get away if Asante is a bust. They are always under the cap every year, and the GM does his contracts in a way where it seems genius. Loomis, knows what he is doing and will not set this team up in cap-****, bank on it.

Yeah, David was actually a last resort, after trying to sign numerous CB's. Seems to me they rushed in signing him. They were also going off of him, cause he played man-to-man in college. But I'm dead sure the Saints will do their homework on a player like Asante, cause he is the top free-agent and will be a big investment.

Asante is a top-5 corner (in many peoples eyes) and a Pro-Bowler, so he def deserves a big contract. Yes, that's too much money for a DB but the market and the CBA has made the "100 million contract" exist.

Good, I hope you guys accept him with open arms. Be my guest! But we won't be in cap **** either way, if we EVEN sign him. Thrill me. :hehe::laugh:

[IonSen88]

615saint (2/28/2008)

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I think it's cute that Falcons' fans are warning us about cap ****.

I agree though - giving any player a 100 million dollar contract is ludicrous.

Ionsen - explain your statement that Samuel has flourished in the cover two system and hardly anything else. What other system has he played in? How far back are you going? Or are you just basing that on random plays within games where the Pats may not have been in traditional cover two?

I am not of the belief that we will actually sign Samuel, but, if it happens, I am still holding out hopes that we are switching to a cover two scheme. Afterall, we would have picked up a cover two corner last year and another one this year. Maybe the Jason David signing was not as crazy as it seemed? Maybe he was signed in anticipation of switching schemes? Sacrifice the short term losses for long term gains?

yep, that is what I will choose to believe today. :cool:

All you get is a warning. :P

Exactly, and we know. Giving 130 million dollars to an overrated running back that couldn't pass. Must you never learn from thee?

I'm practically going back to 2007 and maybe even 2006. I went here: http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d802e6633 and didn't see any of his 2007 interceptions in man-to-man coverage. Most of them he wasn't even covering a receiver. Plus I asked some Pats fans myself why he's considered a system corner.

Jason David was a nightmare. Unless you guys do switch schemes, teams will continue you rape your terrible secondary. Mike Mac isn't bad, atleast he's a bright spot, but I think your safeties may be an even bigger question than your corners simply because of the abundance of big plays teams had against them in 2007.

[IonSen88]

nawlinsaintfan (2/28/2008)

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I am still waiting for any sort of evidence that indicates that Samuel is a "Cover 2" or "System" CB. He has been with the Pats since day one... and the Pats are not a strict "Cover 2" team... nor do they run one specific "System". They, in fact, run different variations of the 3-4, 4-3, man-to-man, zone, cover 2, cover 3, etc defenses. The one thing you read about Samuel in just about every scouting report, is his versitility to play (and excel) in the wide variations of the schemes that the Pats run.

If anyone has evidence to the contrary... please present it... I'd be interested to see it.

Dude, every team plays a little of everything. The Patriots mainly play cover 2 and cover 4 because they are always protecting a lead. Intercepting passes in this scheme is much easier than it would be actually covering a wide receiver (hence why there's alot of interceptions late in games). Mix in New England's ability to pressure quarterbacks and New Orleans' inability to sniff them, going after personnel that mismatch their scheme is not very bright.

[nawlinsaintfan]

IonSen88 (2/28/2008) The Patriots mainly play cover 2 and cover 4

BS... offer proof of this... or don't mention it again.

The New England Patriots run a modified base 3-4 Chuck Fairbanks - Hank Bullough system[14] installed by Bill Belichick. The term 3-4 means that their base formation consists of 3 defensive linemen (defensive end, nose tackle, and defensive end), 4 linebackers (outside "Jack" weak side linebacker, middle "Will" weak side linebacker, middle "Mike" strong side linebacker, and outside "Sam" strong side linebacker), and 4 defensive backs (cornerback, free safety, strong safety, and cornerback)[15]. In the Patriots system the inside linebackers are the "Will" and "Mike" linebackers[16]. It is believed that this 3-4 structure gives the defense the greatest amount of flexibility because the linebackers are among the most versatile players on the defense, capable of doing any of the following: rushing the quarterback, tackling runners or dropping into coverage. By mixing the roles of their linebackers from play to play, the Patriots defense seeks to cause confusion on the part of opposing offenses. At times the Patriots will also shade their defensive linemen different ways, creating "over" or "under" defenses. "Over" and "under" defenses simply refer to the shift of the defensive linemen to the strong or weak side of the offense, respectively, and the rotation of the linebackers in the opposite direction.

The "Fairbanks - Bullough" 3-4 system is known as a two gap system[17], because each of the defensive linemen are required to cover the gaps to both sides of the offensive lineman that try to block them[18]. Defensive linemen in this system tend to be stouter, as they need to be able to hold their place without being overwhelmed in order to allow the linebackers behind them to make plays[19]. This is the reason that defensive linemen such as Richard Seymour and Vince Wilfork do not always rack up gaudy sack and tackle statistics despite their critical importance to the team[20].

The system is at times more conservative than certain other defenses currently in vogue in the league[21], despite the constant threat of its potent linebacker blitz. The Patriots defensive system generally places an emphasis on physicality and discipline over mobility and risk taking and is sometimes characterized as a "bend but do not break defense"[22].

For example, in Super Bowl XXXVI, the Patriots defense used an aggressive bump and run nickel and dime package instead of their base 3-4 to disrupt the timing of the highly touted Air Coryell system employed by the Rams under Mike Martz (also known as "The Greatest Show on Turf"). This modifiable aspect of the Patriots system[38] is in stark contrast to simpler systems like the Tampa 2 defense, in which the same scheme is often run repeatedly with the emphasis being on execution rather than on flexibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots_strategy

[nawlinsaintfan]

WhenFalconsWin (2/28/2008)

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Copy, paste. Do we really all trust wikipedia?

Don't trust them.... offer any source... ANY.... that disputes that the Pats run a hybrid 3-4 defense that changes for the opponent they are playing week to week. This is the reason the Pats are always looking for versatile players on defense. On any given week thier LBs can become edge rushers... their CBs can be playing man or zone... thier Safeties can become exta LBs... and thier WRs can play CB in a pinch.

To say that they run "mainly" a cover 2 (or Tampa 2) or cover 4.... is completely untrue... and reeks of not knowing what you are talking about... or having never watched them. (If that's even possible, because they are on TV ad nausem)

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

Nawlinsaintfan, don't worry.

Like I said before, and Ionsen completely ignored my post (with my long explanation) cause he knows he's not going to win the argument....but the Pats play everything, especially Zone but not specifically a Cover-2.

Here's Pat's fans saying it...

1 poster:"A lot of Saints fans seem to be under the impression that Asante is a cover 2 corner."

Response from another poster: "I imagine he can play it."

That right there, shows that he is not a Cover-2 corner...coming from the fans. And that he could play cover-2, if he was inserted into it.

Another poster: "He plays better in zone."

Another poster: "Is poor little Asante tired of playing man coverage and wants to play Cover 2 now? TB is stupid if they pay a premium price for a zone corner."

Another:" Gay & Hobbs played Man up far more often than Assante did. I also don't get his desire to play in a Tampa 2 scheme though. That's not his strength. The Pats stopped playing Cover 2 regularly after Ty Law moved on.

That shows that the Pats did play Man-to-Man, Zone, and barely Cover-2 anymore.

Proofs right there, from the fans. And Gil Brandt saying that Asante is not a cover-2 corner.

They play Zone most of the time followed with Man-to-man. Either way Samuel fits the Saints system cause they play a decent amount of Zone as well.

[IonSen88]

nawlinsaintfan (2/28/2008)

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WhenFalconsWin (2/28/2008)

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Copy, paste. Do we really all trust wikipedia?

Don't trust them.... offer any source... ANY.... that disputes that the Pats run a hybrid 3-4 defense that changes for the opponent they are playing week to week. This is the reason the Pats are always looking for versatile players on defense. On any given week thier LBs can become edge rushers... their CBs can be playing man or zone... thier Safeties can become exta LBs... and thier WRs can play CB in a pinch.

To say that they run "mainly" a cover 2 (or Tampa 2) or cover 4.... is completely untrue... and reeks of not knowing what you are talking about... or having never watched them. (If that's even possible, because they are on TV ad nausem)

First of all, that wikipedia link didn't dispute anything I said. Second of all, it was written from an old article. 3rd of all, I posted a link to a gallery of videos for you to see for yourself. Again, I didn't see one of Asante's interceptions coming from actually covering a wide receiver. Some defensive backs specializes in man-to-man coverage, some are short and don't possess the skill to play bump and run. You just went through this last year with Jason David. New England protected huge leads in 2007, which is when teams shift to zone schemes - cover 2 to help prevent big plays. What I was implying was that while the Patriots run an abundance of schemes to confuse quarterbacks, there's a good chance they ran the cover two more because of their gigantic leads. I could be wrong, I don't watch a ton of Patriots games but that wikipedia link sure as **** didn't demonstrate that I am.

[IonSen88]

BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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Nawlinsaintfan, don't worry.

Like I said before, and Ionsen completely ignored my post (with my long explanation) cause he knows he's not going to win the argument....but the Pats play everything, especially Zone but not specifically a Cover-2.

Here's Pat's fans saying it...

1 poster:"A lot of Saints fans seem to be under the impression that Asante is a cover 2 corner."

Response from another poster: "I imagine he can play it."

That right there, shows that he is not a Cover-2 corner...coming from the fans. And that he could play cover-2, if he was inserted into it.

Another poster: "He plays better in zone."

Another poster: "Is poor little Asante tired of playing man coverage and wants to play Cover 2 now? TB is stupid if they pay a premium price for a zone corner."

Another:" Gay & Hobbs played Man up far more often than Assante did. I also don't get his desire to play in a Tampa 2 scheme though. That's not his strength. The Pats stopped playing Cover 2 regularly after Ty Law moved on.

That shows that the Pats did play Man-to-Man, Zone, and barely Cover-2 anymore.

Proofs right there, from the fans. And Gil Brandt saying that Asante is not a cover-2 corner.

They play Zone most of the time followed with Man-to-man. Either way Samuel fits the Saints system cause they play a decent amount of Zone as well.

First and foremost, I did not ignore your post. I won't respond to every single one. In addition, your post consisted of things I've already address and would just end up repeating myself in the end.

Seriously though, how much would you consider fan responses proof? Because I'm sure you're aware that I can find just as many fans calling Samuel a cover 2 corner.

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

IonSen88 (2/28/2008)

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BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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Nawlinsaintfan, don't worry.

Like I said before, and Ionsen completely ignored my post (with my long explanation) cause he knows he's not going to win the argument....but the Pats play everything, especially Zone but not specifically a Cover-2.

Here's Pat's fans saying it...

1 poster:"A lot of Saints fans seem to be under the impression that Asante is a cover 2 corner."

Response from another poster: "I imagine he can play it."

That right there, shows that he is not a Cover-2 corner...coming from the fans. And that he could play cover-2, if he was inserted into it.

Another poster: "He plays better in zone."

Another poster: "Is poor little Asante tired of playing man coverage and wants to play Cover 2 now? TB is stupid if they pay a premium price for a zone corner."

Another:" Gay & Hobbs played Man up far more often than Assante did. I also don't get his desire to play in a Tampa 2 scheme though. That's not his strength. The Pats stopped playing Cover 2 regularly after Ty Law moved on.

That shows that the Pats did play Man-to-Man, Zone, and barely Cover-2 anymore.

Proofs right there, from the fans. And Gil Brandt saying that Asante is not a cover-2 corner.

They play Zone most of the time followed with Man-to-man. Either way Samuel fits the Saints system cause they play a decent amount of Zone as well.

First and foremost, I did not ignore your post. I won't respond to every single one. In addition, your post consisted of things I've already address and would just end up repeating myself in the end.

Seriously though, how much would you consider fan responses proof? Because I'm sure you're aware that I can find just as many fans calling Samuel a cover 2 corner.

My post consisted of things, you didn't talk about before. Me stating that they play Zone, man-to-man, and sparingly the Cover-2. Just to name some. All you stated was that "oh, he is a system corner who excels in Cover-2" and that he's overrated and that's it.

Those are Pat fans who watch their team, week in and week out. They sure as heck know more then any of us that are fans of NFC South teams. All fans opinion vary, but from the majority that I saw were the one's I posted above.

Did you even see that Gil Brandt stated he is not a Cover-2 corner and would suck in it? He would know more then anyone including the fans. What more do you need?

Check that...Solomon Wilcots on NFL-Network, just said that Samuel can play man-to-man cause he is that good.

[IonSen88]

BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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My post consisted of things, you didn't talk about before. Me stating that they play Zone, man-to-man, and sparingly the Cover-2. Just to name some. All you stated was that "oh, he is a system corner who excels in Cover-2" and that he's overrated and that's it.

Those are Pat fans who watch their team, week in and week out. They sure as heck know more then any of us that are fans of NFC South teams. All fans opinion vary, but from the majority that I saw were the one's I posted above.

Did you even see that Gil Brandt stated he is not a Cover-2 corner and would suck in it? He would know more then anyone including the fans. What more do you need? You just might be that stubborn.

Patriots fans:

Asante Samuel is all about the money and playing Florida......whichever team from the sunshine state ponies up the most ridiculous amount of money has themselves a good zone corner that struggles in man coverage

*cough*Jason David*cough*

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that should finish this discussion - perfect assesment. He was/is great on the patriots because the secondary is tailor-made for him (i'm not saying we changed it for him).

It would be hilarious if he went to a man cover defense, or some cover 2 team pays him $100m.

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First of all, Samuel does not give up big plays. Seeing as he plays in a cover 3, it would be an embarresment to the patriots if they couldn't cover the deep ball with 3 guys in deep zone. He's not a gambler.

Saying that, Asante is overrated. Whoever wants to pay him crazy money can have him, i don't put him in my top 5 CB's. As the years gone on, Samuel's play has clearly regressed and he doesn't look that interested anymore. He's protected by the system and by excellent coaching.

If you play a man coverage defense, you really are venturing into the unknown. He plays 90% zone coverage (mainly cover 3, with some cover 5 trap defense as well), so i wouldn't pay him insane money to do something he barely does.

If your team plays zone coverage and has one of the worst pass defenses in the league, i would advise you sign him.

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Personally...I don't think he's worth it. He plays primarily in zone coverage and his production (interceptions) is largely a result of it.

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hes def not going to a man cover team, but in a cover 2 he gets picks all day

a cover 2 team would never pay a CB $100m.

I will laugh at any team who pays Samuel what he wants. His demands are absolutely ridiculous. He is in no way, shape or form worth that money.

Dude is getting paaaaaaaaaaaaid

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Samuel is a great player, but is very overated. I think New England system makes him better, and some team will over pay for him.

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Saints fan (veteran poster/moderator with football knowledge)

^^I agree he would be a good upgrade over David, but I see him as being little more than good in our system. Not worth $10-11 mil to bring him to NO, if he wanted less, something workable maybe I'd be more excited. But I won't get excited if we are trying to invite cap **** for someone who is possibly a system CB.

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It seems other than fans of teams looking to sign Asante, the general consensus is that he is a system corner looking to cash in on coverage interceptions.

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

You found those responses to make your "consensus", just as I found my responses to dispute it. Like I said, all fan opinions vary...

I do think that his production will fall off (but not substantially) when he leaves NE. For one he will have to learn a completely new system, and secondly there's always FA's that their play falls off when they go to new teams. But it won't be disappointing.

His INT's may be of the system (or even himself), but you still can't disregard his coverage ability. That's a big reason why he is also in line looking for alot of $$$$. And him being able to play in any scheme also.

[IonSen88]

BlahBlah WoofWoof (2/28/2008)

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You found those responses to make your "consensus", just as I found my responses to dispute it. Like I said, all fan opinions vary...

I do think that his production will fall off (but not substantially) when he leaves NE. For one he will have to learn a completely new system, and secondly there's always FA's that their play falls off when they go to new teams. But it won't be disappointing.

His INT's may be of the system (or even himself), but you still can't disregard his coverage ability. That's a big reason why he is also in line looking for alot of $$$$. And him being able to play in any scheme also.

I actually developed my consensus from fans of all teams but those are strictly fans with Patriots avatars with locations close to Massachusetts.

He's in line looking for a ton of money because of the amount of interceptions he has accumulated in the passed 2 seasons.

I just got finished watching some Patriots highlights from 2007 on NFL.com; does the guy ever cover a wide receiver?!