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What's the worst that could happen anyway?

It's not like the government is going to snoop through your bank records, or listen in on your conversations, they are not going to read your email and certainly not going to round you up and fly you to some black site prison, strip you of your habeas corpus rights and apply aggressive torture tactics on you.

That would never happen in an America that so many have died to keep free.

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charlestonchad (2/21/2008)
octoslash (2/21/2008)
Nothing wrong with education and medicine.

But nowhere is the government authorized to seize my money to fund those things for strangers.

So then you're asking for your own welfare. It sounds like you want those things, but don't want to pay even though they benefit you, me, and all Americans.

I'm saying I CREATE my own welfare. I pay for my life, you pay for yours. Radical, huh?

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Steve_Bartkowski

Go to Miami and ask some Cubans that lived under Castro. Ask people that fled here from the USSR in the 80's. Ask people that fled here from North Vietnam.

To bad all the Cubans that lived under the American backed Batista Regime are probably dead by now. They could probably tell you some stories. Say what you want, but when Castro first took over Cuba he helped their economy to an extent. Thats not really saying much though because Cuba was just that bad before him.

(I'm not saying Castro's some great leader or that Communist is the greatest, I'm simply informing you of history.)

And don't get me started on your "people fleeing Vietnam" remark.

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The whole discussion is steeped in idle paranoia and fear.

The US is never going to become communist or socialist. We're going to remain a capitalist democracy, and the reason for that is that capitalism works, and Constitutional democracy works. It has worked so well that we have become one of the most free and prosperous nations on Earth.

What capitlaism needs to work even better is a little regulation. We have to regulate in order to keep greed from undermining our social and moral obligations. The extent to which we regulate and enact those obligations is always changing. One election cycle we'll all be reacting to periods of poorly performing social services, so more liberal candidates will be elected. After a few years of better social services and higher taxes, people will elect more conservative candidates. All the while the economy will expand and contract with a steady upward curve in GDP, regardless of which party claims the sitting President.

The appallingly ignorant rallying cries about socialism and communism are just reactions to the fear that people have about how we're going to react to 8 years of non-conservative, non-liberal nonsensical executive government. No, republicans, the American people are not going to punish you with a communist or socialist revolution. You know why? Because we're all capitalists too. We like nice things, we like personal freedom, we like making our own choices with our money, we like innovation and we have seen how poorly communism translates when practically applied.

All the current group or progressive democrats are saying is that we should regulate a little more because we're leaving a few too many of our fellow Americans in the dust, which benefits NONE of us. You disagree, and will vote accordingly...I encourage you to do so. We'll touch on these issues every election.

The US is a living, growing, organic thing that we're handling pretty well, with some obvious errors in judgement along the way (some REALLY bad foreign policy the last 50 years or so).

Everything is going to be OK. We all like capitalism. We all like democracy. Stop being such alarmist whiners and just vote for who you like, make informed decisions, help others when you can and don't act like taxation to help people with legitimate need improve their lives is some horrible plot.

Then step away from your computer and think about how good you have it...because you have it pretty **** good.

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/21/2008)
Eatcorn,

You posted a well thought out post that is worthy of my time. Let me respond.

eatcorn (2/21/2008)
The whole discussion is steeped in idle paranoia and fear.

Disagree. And I'll explain why...

eatcorn (2/21/2008)

The US is never going to become communist or socialist.

I would never say never. It's not going to happen overnight obviously. Our government is a mix of capitalism and socialism. This country has been injecting more and more socialism into our government for the last 90 years (and please let's not fight about the definition). Over the last 90 years our tax burden has gone up nearly 600%, we have implemented tons of social programs including welfare, social security, etc... Now we are looking at further making medicine socialized in this election.

eatcorn (2/21/2008)

No, republicans, the American people are not going to punish you with a communist or socialist revolution.

Perhaps not but are the American people going to look into their candidate's background?

IS BARACK OBAMA A CLOSET SOCIALIST OR COMMUNIST?

I think I have posted enough information to at least make that a valid question. It is everyone's responsibility to research that FULLY looking at both sides and answer that question. Granted even if Obama is president he would not have the power to make us a socialist nation in 4 years but he would have the power to inject more socialism and even communism into our society. If he is a closet socialist/communist then his ultimate goal is to drive this country in that direction! That's the scary part. The other scary part is that he would be the commander in chief and already seems to be sympathetic to countries like Cuba, Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Ya diplomacy is nice and all but these countries DO NOT have our best interest at heart.

eatcorn (2/21/2008)

You know why? Because we're all capitalists too. We like nice things, we like personal freedom, we like making our own choices with our money, we like innovation and we have seen how poorly communism translates when practically applied.

Yes, WE like that. But does Barack Obama?

eatcorn (2/21/2008)

Everything is going to be OK. We all like capitalism. We all like democracy. Stop being such alarmist whiners and just vote for who you like

I want people to be RESPONSIBLE voters and look into the issues and the *factual* history of the candidates. No matter how positive or ugly it might be.

eatcorn (2/21/2008)

Then step away from your computer and think about how good you have it...because you have it pretty **** good.

Yes, I have it good and we have it good. Let's keep it that way!

Again, you've completely missed the point.

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octoslash (2/21/2008)
charlestonchad (2/21/2008)
octoslash (2/21/2008)
Nothing wrong with education and medicine.

But nowhere is the government authorized to seize my money to fund those things for strangers.

So then you're asking for your own welfare. It sounds like you want those things, but don't want to pay even though they benefit you, me, and all Americans.

I'm saying I CREATE my own welfare. I pay for my life, you pay for yours. Radical, huh?

Who pays for the education and healthcare of the kids? They can't help that their parents suck with money. Why do you want to punish Americans for being born into less fortunate situations?

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charlestonchad (2/21/2008)Who pays for the education and healthcare of the kids? They can't help that their parents suck with money. Why do you want to punish Americans for being born into less fortunate situations?
It's called charity, and it isn't the sole venue of the Federal government. Instead, we develop programs that subsidize bad behavior and decisions, which in turn creates a cycle.
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ATLBear (2/21/2008)
charlestonchad (2/21/2008)Who pays for the education and healthcare of the kids? They can't help that their parents suck with money. Why do you want to punish Americans for being born into less fortunate situations?
It's called charity, and it isn't the sole venue of the Federal government. Instead, we develop programs that subsidize bad behavior and decisions, which in turn creates a cycle.

And dependence..The most damaging of all..IMO

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octoslash (2/21/2008)
Nothing wrong with education and medicine.

But nowhere is the government authorized to seize my money to fund those things for strangers.

So I guess those people in Iraq are no strangers to you. I can´t figure out why you would spend a trillion bucks on them otherwise

Maybe I am stupid but investing that money in education and medicine for people living in your own country sounds more reasonable to me

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