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VP Huckabee is a sincerely scary prospect

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 02/17/08

Mike Huckabee has his charms.

Though Arkansas reporters have been subjected to his mean streak, he can be as warm and folksy as a good country preacher (which he is). He can also be as slick and glib as a good televangelist (which he has been).

But don't let the packaging fool you. Huckabee's theocratic tendencies are dangerous, and he shouldn't be on any ticket, even as vice president.

With McCain permanently in the lead, many political observers believe Huckabee is angling for the second spot. After all, McCain has received precious little support from social conservatives, a vital constituency of the GOP coalition. (Indeed, McCain hasn't received much support from conservatives of any stripe. He has won several primaries because he has received strong support from moderate-to-liberal Republicans and independents.) He could shore up his base by bringing Huckabee aboard.

And Huckabee would be a lively campaigner. He plays bass guitar; he can deliver a rousing speech; his easy sense of humor might offset McCain's biting wit. Huckabee's working-class roots and authentic persona serve him well on the campaign trail, where he gets added points for his successful battle against obesity. When he mentions improving Americans' health by emphasizing preventive care, he speaks from experience. He doesn't seem the sort of scary right-winger who chases off independents and professional women who support abortion rights.

Look more closely. He is even scarier than **** Cheney.

Cheney has merely subverted the U.S. Constitution; he hasn't actually tried to rewrite the founding document to restrict human rights or civil liberties. (While Cheney's record includes stated support for an amendment banning abortions, the Bush White House never pushed for it.) When Karl Rove plotted to keep the enthusiasm of ultraconservative Christians by scapegoating gays and lesbians, Cheney whose lesbian daughter, Mary, lives openly with her partner, Heather, and their baby boy refused to support a marriage amendment.

Huckabee, by contrast, would not merely use the issue as a wedge. He believes what he says. Campaigning in Michigan last month, he declared his strong support for constitutional amendments banning abortions and gay marriage.

"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee said. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that's what we need to do to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."

The last thing we need is another president or vice president who believes he can intrepret God's standards.

But let's give Huckabee credit for his sincerity, a clear contrast to the cyncism with which Rove and other GOP honchos used gay marriage and other wedge issues to divide and conquer. Further, the former Arkansas governor has a core of decency that makes his conservatism more compassionate than that of President Bush, who liked the sound of the phrase but never seemed to grasp its meaning. Huckabee's tenure as governor revealed an empathy for the poor and a forbearance toward illegal immigrants that deserve plaudits. (Those very stances, by the way, have brought him grief from some sectors of the GOP establishment.)

But Huckabee has no business being a heartbeat away from the presidency especially if McCain is the president. If the Arizona senator were to win the White House on Nov. 4, he would be the oldest person to be inaugurated for a first term. While he has been robust enough to compete well in the grueling nominating process, his vice president matters.

My favorite president ever, Josiah Bartlet of "West Wing," expressed his support for his well-qualified vice president despite their rocky relationship with the simple phrase: "Because I could die." Any presidential candidate ought to carefully consider that fundamental truth.

As for Huckabee, he'd make a fine addition to the roster of high-profile theocrats currently on the political scene James Dobson, Gary Bauer and Pat Robertson, to name a few. At least Huckabee can play Lynyrd Skynyrd.

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gritzblitz56 (2/18/2008)
Luckly, no one politician can amend the Constitution. Especially one who's only formal duty would be to break tie votes in the Senate.

For once I wish these articles would explain how intentionally difficult it is to "change" the Constitution.

Cythia would have to take a middle-school civics course to know that the President OR Vice President have no role at all to play in amending the Constitution. They don't get a vote at all. They are not part of the process.

Are you smarter than a fifth grader, Cynthia?

EDIT: to point out that if Cynthia were RIGHT about Huckabee's position, I WOULD consider it a relevant issue, not because of the amendment process itself, but because the President would have the power to nominate Supreme Court nominees. That does not, however, address the greater issue that Huckabee was speaking in a limited fashion when he said the famous words Cynthia quotes. So even if she otherwise might have had a point, she's still overblowing the entire issue. Scare tactics.

And she's shared scitless.

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Cynthia needs more than a civics class to solve her incompetence, including the points JDaveG made. You need only look at this quote from the article above to know.

My favorite president ever, Josiah Bartlet of "West Wing," expressed his support for his well-qualified vice president despite their rocky relationship with the simple phrase: "Because I could die." Any presidential candidate ought to carefully consider that fundamental truth.

At least we know that fantasy land is where she gets here perspective on governance. Too bad Martin Sheen isn't up for the nomination, eh Cynthia?

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ATLBear (2/18/2008)
Cynthia needs more than a civics class to solve her incompetence, including the points JDaveG made. You need only look at this quote from the article above to know.
My favorite president ever, Josiah Bartlet of "West Wing," expressed his support for his well-qualified vice president despite their rocky relationship with the simple phrase: "Because I could die." Any presidential candidate ought to carefully consider that fundamental truth.

At least we know that fantasy land is where she gets here perspective on governance. Too bad Martin Sheen isn't up for the nomination, eh Cynthia?

to be fair though, most republicans run their campaigns with a major nod to a character in a book.

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thesouphead (2/18/2008)to be fair though, most republicans run their campaigns with a major nod to a character in a book.
If you're referring to the bible, then that runs on both sides of the aisle, as well as many other nations. It's also not a remotely equivalent parallel.
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ATLBear (2/18/2008)
Cynthia needs more than a civics class to solve her incompetence, including the points JDaveG made. You need only look at this quote from the article above to know.
My favorite president ever, Josiah Bartlet of "West Wing," expressed his support for his well-qualified vice president despite their rocky relationship with the simple phrase: "Because I could die." Any presidential candidate ought to carefully consider that fundamental truth.

At least we know that fantasy land is where she gets here perspective on governance. Too bad Martin Sheen isn't up for the nomination, eh Cynthia?

I always liked Kevin Kline in "Dave". :)

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/18/2008)
I would like to see a McCain/Huckabee ticket.

ok...now take your logic and approach to your Obama/Socialist thread and apply it to Huckabee. Are you not afraid that Huckabee would turn our nation into a country that is ruled by the 10 Commandments?

Unlike you, I will give a specific thing* that could happen. *He could change the laws and make the 10 commandments actual laws where it would then be illegal to lie and would also be illegal to get jealous.

Note...Huckabee has said many things that demonstrate that this is something he would actually like to do. ....and I am not talking about things he said 20+ years ago.

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/18/2008)
I would like to see a McCain/Huckabee ticket.

ok...now take your logic and approach to your Obama/Socialist thread and apply it to Huckabee. Are you not afraid that Huckabee would turn our nation into a country that is ruled by the 10 Commandments?

Unlike you, I will give a specific thing* that could happen. *He could change the laws and make the 10 commandments actual laws where it would then be illegal to lie and would also be illegal to get jealous.

Note...Huckabee has said many things that demonstrate that this is something he would actually like to do. ....and I am not talking about things he said 20+ years ago.

Oh, good grief, PLEASE don't drag that garbage into this thread. My stomach is already turned from the one you referenced.

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/18/2008)

Some of the 10 commandments ARE laws...

Thou shalt not kill...

Thou shalt not steal...

As VP Huckabee wouldn't have the power to do any of those things you said. I outlined my reasons for supporting Huckabee in other threads.

Some, but not all......not all 10 like the way Huckabee wants it to be.

So how is it that Obama would have the power to push us towards socialism, but Huckabee wouldn't have the power to blend church and state?

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thesouphead (2/18/2008)

Some, but not all......not all 10 like the way Huckabee wants it to be.

Link?

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Huckabee_at_...mants_0211.html

We really don t need a lot of law if we re people of morality," Huckabee said at the Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia, according to a report in the Lynchburg News Advance. "There are only 10 basic laws that we need & the reason that the law is more complicated is because we try to find clever ways around those 10."

I've seen the video of the speech too......I am sure it's online somewhere.

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thesouphead (2/18/2008)

Some, but not all......not all 10 like the way Huckabee wants it to be.

Link?

thesouphead (2/18/2008)

So how is it that Obama would have the power to push us towards socialism, but Huckabee wouldn't have the power to blend church and state?

Save that for the other thread please.

so I shouldn't talk about Huckabee and his agenda in a thread regarding Huckabee? that makes no sense.

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thesouphead (2/18/2008)to be fair though, most republicans run their campaigns with a major nod to a character in a book.
If you're referring to the bible, then that runs on both sides of the aisle, as well as many other nations. It's also not a remotely equivalent parallel.

i thought he meant Big Brother in "1984". my bad.

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/18/2008)

There's no need to mention the other thread. Let's not hijack this thread.

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I am speaking to YOU about the very subject OF THIS THREAD but am drawing my question from previous observations made in other threads. It's how these forums work and my question regarding your choice for Huckabee as VP falls within the subject at hand. Hijacking has not taken place.

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/18/2008)

A VP where the other party has the majority in congress has very little power.

ever hear of **** Cheney?

What policies did Cheney push through congress? Also don't forget that Republicans had a congressional majority during much of Bush's tenure.

oh let's see.......how about the War in Iraq?

how about torture?

how about sending General Miller to Abu Ghraib to Gitmoize the place?

how about keeping Gitmo open?

how about some of our energy polices?

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/18/2008)

A VP where the other party has the majority in congress has very little power.

ever hear of **** Cheney?

What policies did Cheney push through congress? Also don't forget that Republicans had a congressional majority during much of Bush's tenure.

oh let's see.......how about the War in Iraq?

how about torture?

how about sending General Miller to Abu Ghraib to Gitmoize the place?

how about keeping Gitmo open?

how about some of our energy polices?

How do you know those were all proposed by Cheney? Link?

I paid attention over the past 7 years.

no link.......go look for yourself.

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gritzblitz56 (2/18/2008)
The Vice President has only two duties as delineated by the Constitution:

1. Break tie votes in the Senate

2. Assume the presidency should the current president die or become incapacitated.

The VP cannot introduce legislation, sign laws, appoint judges, or give orders to the military.

unless the president is George W Bush, who was indeed greatly influenced by **** Cheney.....his VP.

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gritzblitz56 (2/18/2008)
The Vice President has only two duties as delineated by the Constitution:

1. Break tie votes in the Senate

2. Assume the presidency should the current president die or become incapacitated.

The VP cannot introduce legislation, sign laws, appoint judges, or give orders to the military.

unless the president is George W Bush, who was indeed greatly influenced by **** Cheney.....his VP.

LOL!

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gritzblitz56 (2/18/2008)
The Vice President has only two duties as delineated by the Constitution:

1. Break tie votes in the Senate

2. Assume the presidency should the current president die or become incapacitated.

The VP cannot introduce legislation, sign laws, appoint judges, or give orders to the military.

Exactly. So he couldn't do what souphead fears he could do as VP. Let's look at the 10 commandments shall we:

You shall have no other gods before me

Not enforcible. How could this be a law unless we could read people's minds?

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God

This happens all the time... "G** ****", etc... We would have to modify the constitution and take away the first amendment to get this one done. Highly improbable.

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy

Not enforcible unless you were watched 24/7.

Honor your Father and Mother

Not enforcible unless the government could read your mind.

You shall not murder

Already taken care of! However, abortion and the death penalty are debatable on that...

You shall not commit adultery

Already applicable in divorce court!

You shall not steal

Already taken care of!

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor

In other words, lying. Ever heard of purgery? We already enforce this in our court system.

You shall not covet your neighbor's house

Not enforcible unless the government could read your mind.

You shall not covet your neighbor's wife

Not enforcible unless the government could read your mind.

AND THAT IS WHAT HUCKABEE WANTS!!! He said so himself!! and you are the one wanting to vote for the guy!!! lol!!

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Steve_Bartkowski (2/18/2008)

He was speaking at a church. Don't you think he was talking about laws to apply to people's personal lives if they are Christians? In your quote he doesn't mention that "this is what the government should do". I think you are taking it out of context.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14013.html

Huckabee wants Ten Commandments in the White House

As the campaign unfolds, Mike Huckabee sounds less like a former governor, and more like a religious right activist with reporters following him around.

Ron Chusid directed my attention to Huckabee s latest remarks, delivered to reporters on a campaign bus in Iowa, which delved into his church-state thoughts in more detail.

[W]hen he was pressed on whether he would continue certain practices he began in the Arkansas state house, such as a Christian Heritage Week or hanging the Ten Commandments in his office, Huckabee said, don t know why I wouldn t. [& ]

As for the Ten Commandments in the Oval Office, the Ten Commandments are in the Supreme Court, Huckabee said, adding that he wouldn t hesitate to hang them in the White House. The Ten Commandments form the basis of most of our laws and therefore, you know if you look through them does anybody find anything there that would be all that objectionable? I don t think most people would if they actually read them, he said.

I used to hear similar comments from attendees at Christian Coalition conferences, most of whom didn t know any better.

The problem here, though, is that the candidate who doesn t know anything about foreign policy, national security, immigration policy, economic policy, or history also is confused about the Ten Commandments, which presumably should be his specialty.

First, the notion that the Ten Commandments form the basis of most of our laws is transparently ridiculous. I don t know if Huckabee has looked at the Commandments lately, but just the opposite is true.

The Ten Commandments, for example, make several religious commands: no false gods, honor the Sabbath, no idolatry, no using the Lord s name in vain. They also include plenty of tips for good living: honor your parents, don t commit adultery, don t covet a bunch of stuff, don t covet your neighbor s wife.

Are any of these reflected in our laws? Of course not. There are laws against stealing and killing, but it s fair to say those laws originate more from common sense than the Book of Exodus.

As for Huckabee s assertion that the Ten Commandments are in the Supreme Court, this, too, is just religious right claptrap, which reasonable, informed people usually avoid.

Here s the story: there s a frieze just below the ceiling in the court s main chamber that depicts the evolution of the law over the past several centuries. As part of the decorative horizontal band, there s a depiction of Moses cradling two tablets, which is obviously meant to represent the Ten Commandments.

Does this mean the Commandments are in the Supreme Court ? Hardly. The text of the Decalogue isn t even part of the frieze. Besides, Moses is hardly the only figure on the display.

Also included are Confucius, Mohammad, the Old Testament s Solomon and Hammurabi, founder of the ancient Babylonian Empire. (Ironically, Hammurabi is depicted being given his famous law code by Shamash, the Babylonian sun god, meaning that the sole depiction of a deity at the high court is a Pagan god.)

The frieze also contains non-religious figures who shaped the law, such as Napoleon, Charlemagne and ancient Greek and Roman figures. The clear purpose of the frieze is to educate about how the law developed, not endorse religion or state that U.S. law is based on a specific religious code.

It s another one of those examples in whch a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Huckabee probably heard some TV preacher mention the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court and immediate

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