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Les Stroud is the real deal. He's out there for 7 days with nothing but his wits and a few odds and ends that he McGuyver's up to live for a week.

Bear Grylls has a film crew and just demonstrates the most asinine things he can for the audience. He's an ex-SOF guy and definately knows how to survive, but his show is more about bravado than survival. Many of his "tips" would get you killed without a crew to take you to your hotel after every day of filming. Like getting soaking wet in the Chugach mountains. Getting wet in Alaska is pretty close to a death sentence.

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alfred e. neuman (2/9/2008)
Les Stroud is the real deal. He's out there for 7 days with nothing but his wits and a few odds and ends that he McGuyver's up to live for a week.

Bear Grylls has a film crew and just demonstrates the most asinine things he can for the audience. He's an ex-SOF guy and definately knows how to survive, but his show is more about bravado than survival. Many of his "tips" would get you killed without a crew to take you to your hotel after every day of filming. Like getting soaking wet in the Chugach mountains. Getting wet in Alaska is pretty close to a death sentence.

Yeah, I saw him swimming through the ice glaciers in Alaska last night. He gets to shore and waves in a boat that he says "has been called to pick him up". It looked to me like the boat was called because the fool was about to die of hypothermia and was later spun as part of the show.

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Les Stroud is the real deal. He's out there for 7 days with nothing but his wits and a few odds and ends that he McGuyver's up to live for a week.

Bear Grylls has a film crew and just demonstrates the most asinine things he can for the audience. He's an ex-SOF guy and definately knows how to survive, but his show is more about bravado than survival. Many of his "tips" would get you killed without a crew to take you to your hotel after every day of filming. Like getting soaking wet in the Chugach mountains. Getting wet in Alaska is pretty close to a death sentence.

That's kind of what I like about Bear. Sure, Les does everything himself...the result is a less entertaining show with much worse camera work. I appreciate that when Bear is free climbing a 50 ft rock, you can see it from many different angles that really show you what is happening. And Bear may slack and sleep in a tent from time to time, but he still does some of the most ungodly bad azz shiz.

Plus, his show actually shows him killing prey, whereas Les turns the camera away. I've seen Bear break the neck of so many animals, knife a huge turtle, bite into a live fish ("you have to break the spine to kill it quickly"), eat goat eyes, etc.

Man v Wild in a landslide, though I like both.

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Les is definately the man.

Survivor Man is the real deal.

I will say this about Bear Grylls though, when he squeezed the juice out elephant sh*t for a source of water...I was impressed. His stomach must be made out of cast iron.

The coolest trick I learned was the turning your urine into pure drinking water. Dig a hole, place a cup at the botton, urinate all around it and put plastic over the hole. The water will evaporate out of the urine and drain into the cup. Only the pure H2O will evaporate. Pretty cool in a desparate situation.

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Dameon Smith (2/11/2008)
survivorman is a fake, he was caught a few years ago checking into a hotel by the media during a show. Also it was leaked out that his crew prefab'ed the huts and all of the items that uses on the show.

That aligation was for Man v/s Wild, not Survivorman.

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Wow.

Latest TV fake scenes: 'Grizzly attack' on survival show was man in fancy-dress bear costume

By JAMES TAPPER - More by this author » Last updated at 15:18pm on 30th July 2007

To the viewers, it was the moment TV adventurer Bear Grylls narrowly escaped the attentions of a hungry wild bear.

Yet it seems he was not in quite as much danger as those watching might have thought.

Grylls was menaced by nothing more threatening than a colleague in a fancy-dress bear costume, according to a survival expert present at the filming.

Scroll down to the bottom of the page to watch the bogus bear on the prowl...

Grylls, whose daredevil antics have entranced viewers of his Channel 4 series Born Survivor, had filmed a sequence for another show in which his makeshift camp seemed to be invaded by a grizzly bear in the middle of the night.

Apparently in great danger, he bravely filmed a black shape rustling around the embers of his campfire, before telling viewers of the dangers of wild bears and fleeing the camp.

Yet survival expert Ron Hood has claimed the black shape seen in the show was not a man-eating grizzly but actually a colleague in a costume.

The Discovery Channel, which aired the show, insisted that the pantomime bear outfit was hired "as a prank" by the crew and no footage which included the bear costume was broadcast.

But the programme does include a shot of a dark black shape, rustling in the camp a few feet away - something Discovery was unable to explain.

The makers of the show originally tried to hire a tame bear but the plan fell through

Mr Hood, who was hired by producers Diverse TV as an adviser for the show, said the makers originally tried to hire a tame bear, but asked him to find a fancy-dress costume when the plan fell through.

And while viewers are led to believe the 'bear' incident is spontaneous, the scene was scripted long in advance. The Mail on Sunday has obtained a script in which the scene is headlined 'Grizzly Attacks Camp'.

The stunt was filmed for Grylls's Discovery Channel series Man Vs Wild, broadcast last October, in which the Eton-educated former SAS Territorial Army soldier is parachuted into remote regions to survive off the land for five days.

Some episodes were also broadcast on Channel 4 as Bear Grylls: Born Survivor, but not the one featuring the bear incident, which was set in the Rocky Mountains.

Channel 4 began an investigation last week after it emerged that Grylls does not sleep rough in the woods, as is claimed in the show, but instead stays in hotels.

The Rocky Mountain programme features several scenes which Discovery admitted were "not natural to the environment".

They included scenes where Grylls apparently killed a snake and ate it (the snake was found dead by the side of the road), cooked a dead badger (actually a steak inside a badger skin), and freed himself when his parachute tangled in a tree (he was pulled up into the tree and wore a safety harness).

But the bear scene was the show's moment of high drama.

Grylls sets up viewers' anticipation by explaining how he has pitched camp, building a shelter in an area of forest packed with grizzly bears a species, he makes clear, which is known to attack and kill humans.

The next scene shows Grylls - whose real first name is Edward - hiding in his shelter, full of fear in the darkness, as he speaks into the mike of a hand-held camera.

"There's definitely something out here," he says.

"I just heard a really heavy footstep out there, and I don't know..."

There is rustling and scraping around the shelter.

"I don't like this at all. I don't like this," he says.

The tension builds as Grylls crawls out of his shelter and films a black shadow moving a few yards away. Back inside the shelter, Grylls says: "I haven't heard from it now for a few minutes. And it might well have just moved away, but sure as **** it knows I'm here. And it knows I've hidden food here.

"And I don't know a huge amount about bears but what I do know is that if they come into your camp and they see you there, you need to clear that camp, and fast."

He scurries out of his shelter, pulls on his pack and leaves.

Yet the only thing Grylls was in danger of, according to Mr Hood, was bumping into his film crew.

Mr Hood said the mysterious shape was actually a crew member wearing the bear suit.

"They decided they wanted to somehow dramatise the attack on Edward's shelter," Mr Hood said.

"They filmed the crew shaking the shelter to give the impression that the bear was coming in and then they put the bear's nose in through the side of the shelter which Edward filmed.

"Everyone thought it was all quite funny, but we spent all evening working on it. They were quite serious about it."

An early script shows how the producers conceived the scene, titled 'Scene 10 - Grizzly Attacks Camp'.

It gives directions: "Bear...wakes up in the middle of the night when he hears a loud noise. The camera watches him just as he wonders what the noise is. This will have to look like video diary hand-held.

"The camera peeks out of the shelter and in the darkness we see a movement in the bushes, a roar and somethying (sic) rip the food bagh [sic] from the tree. The pictures will be treated to look like night vision."

Most of the footage was not used, but the sounds of shuffling in the woods was the film crew, Mr Hood said, and the dark black shape was the crew member in the bear outfit.

Last week it was revealed that episodes of Born Survivor screened on Channel 4 included faked or set-up scenes. One showed Grylls making his own raft while stuck on a desert island.

In fact it was built by a team led by a survival expert, and the island was in Hawaii - within close reach of a motel.

A spokesman for Discovery said: "The pranks that were filmed were just that, they were never intended for air, nor did they make the final cut.

"Essential health and safety precautions and incidents which were not natural to the environment will in future be completely transparent, with all elements of the filming being explained to viewers.

"This will also apply to repeated programmes which will be re-cut and include a disclaimer at the beginning."

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I would say that MvW is more entertaining than SM. But I have zero respect for Bear Grylls due to the right out lies he has told in his original episodes.

In his original shows he claims that he has spotted some native wild horses and will try to catch one. Only to find out that in reality, these were horses rented from a nearby ranch and trucked out for that scene.

Or a scene where a wild Bear was walking around his night shelter, only to come out later that it was a crew member in a bear costume.

Pretending to catch a rabbit that was bought by the crew and placed in the trap.

Using a hidden life jacket while body rafting a river...

I would have respect for him if he were strainght forward from the beginning as he is in his newer episodes. But it was only after he was busted in these lies that he came clean.

Les does a better true survival show, and goes throguh a lot more hardship than Bear, but with the limited camera ability,lack of a crew and luxuries, his show is not as entertaining and can sometimes be right out boring. But atleast he is straight forward and does not lie as Bear did...

As for who I would want as my guide if I were stranded in the middle of nowhere... I would say Les, as he does actually survive for 7 straight days in the wilderness by himself. While Bear only stays out a few hours at a time before getting a change of clothes, a shower and meal back at the Hotel/Lodge etc....

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BigSlick (2/11/2008)

The coolest trick I learned was the turning your urine into pure drinking water. Dig a hole, place a cup at the botton, urinate all around it and put plastic over the hole. The water will evaporate out of the urine and drain into the cup. Only the pure H2O will evaporate. Pretty cool in a desparate situation.

That's the difference right there. Les Stroud teaches you how to distill pure water from your urine. Bear Grylls pees into his canteen and drinks it for the shock value ratings.

Les Stroud is the the Truth.

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lax32 (2/11/2008)
I like survivorman more, I dont really care that its fake. I dont really watch the show because I want to see a guy get dropped off and find his way back, that usually isn't really interesting. I want to watch a show and see a bunch of really cool survival techniques that I can use for no reason when I go camping.

Bingo. Even when Survivorman is dull, I usually pick up *something* I want to try.

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lax32 (2/11/2008)
I like survivorman more, I dont really care that its fake. I dont really watch the show because I want to see a guy get dropped off and find his way back, that usually isn't really interesting. I want to watch a show and see a bunch of really cool survival techniques that I can use for no reason when I go camping.

Bingo. Even when Survivorman is dull, I usually pick up *something* I want to try.

Um...are ya'll talking about the same show? Cuz I think he's talking about MvW.

And I can admit...I really like MvW more because I have a man-crush on Bear. That doesn't violate my man-card status, does it? I'd hate to lose it again.

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etifan (2/13/2008)
lax32 (2/11/2008)
I like survivorman more, I dont really care that its fake. I dont really watch the show because I want to see a guy get dropped off and find his way back, that usually isn't really interesting. I want to watch a show and see a bunch of really cool survival techniques that I can use for no reason when I go camping.

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Bingo. Even when Survivorman is dull, I usually pick up *something* I want to try.

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Um...are ya'll talking about the same show? Cuz I think he's talking about MvW.

And I can admit...I really like MvW more because I have a man-crush on Bear. That doesn't violate my man-card status, does it? I'd hate to lose it again.

Gah. I wan't paying attention...I was distracted by all of the prom talk of cupcakes and jumbotrons. I DO like MvW, but Survivorman feels more authentic to me.

I think every guy has a man-crush on Bear, so you're good for now. I would have a crush on him, but I'm pretty sure if we were stranded, he wouldn't hesitate to kill me for food.

Edited for Fanboy.

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Must...not...make...tasteless...joke....

For the love of...I walked right into that...going back to edit and thank you for being such a gentleman! :w00t: :rolleyes::D

Don't worry about it. HM backs into those all the time. ;)

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