Lets take a look at ALL the players that SOME want cut

[bow chicka wow wow]

****the reasons im posting are NOT my opinions, but exerpts from previous post****

ABE-gets hurt to much

J. anderson_BUST

Coleman--old and gets hurt

Brooking- Sucks

Hall-trouble maker

Milloy-old

Crocker-underachiver/sucks

Lewis-Sucks

J Williams- Sucks

this would leave us 4 guys on Defense that have started a NFL game

Offense

Gandy-sucks old

Forney-hurts sucks

Weiner-hurts and sucks

LEfty, harrington, redman, shockley---all get hurt all suck

Dunn-old small sucks

Norwood- too small injury prone

ovie--overpaid

HOrn--old..sucks NOW

Jenkins-bust

jennings--sucks

giving us a total of.....4 guys who would start that has played a nfl game

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point of this post is----we all have our different OPINIONS of who is good...but we are not Coaches or GMS..or even water boys in the NFL....we cant nor are qualified to evaluate players. YOuR opinion is just that "YOUR opinion" please dont bah other that just dont agree with you

[UGA_Falcons_Hawks]

Ooooo K??

Anyways, anyone who's been watching this team for the past 2-3 seasons know that this roster needs a massive overall. True, you can't clean house in one year, but you can send a strong message to the team, city and fanbase that changes are going to be made and some of them won't sit well with traditionalists who like underachieving players who's been on the roster too long, but that's ok.

These are tough times and we probably won't see any changes in regards to our chances of going to the playoffs, but I hope we have a coaching staff and front office who are in it for the long haul.

And pls, no QB in the 1st round. We need to start with either the OL or DL. Remember, we're starting from scratch and you start a team from the lines (both).

[falconfoozball]

I say we go for it w/4 on either side. If those guys aren't good enough to go 4 against 11 and win, then cut them too!! :pinch:

[azfalcon928]

Screw it, Fire everyone and get a whole new team:)

It is time to start getting rid of some dead weight though, Maybe start with Leftwich.

[Hollywood_5555]

J WILL DOESN'T SUCK

ABE PLAYED THIS FULL SEASON

[southga08]

The first thing you have to look at when you cut a game is the salary cap. I found this online to those who don't understand the effect of cutting a player on the salary cap:

"Say, for example, a player wants a seven-year, $60-million contract. Let's say that the owner decides to give that player an $11-million signing bonus, which is all paid out in the first year but gets factored into the cap as prorated over the course of the seven-year contract ($11-million / 7 years = $1.57-million per year). Most NFL contracts are "back-ended" -- most of the base salary is located in the last two or three years of the contract. If we suppose that our player's contract is structured so that he has a base salary of $2-million the first year, with higher base salaries in the final two years of the contract, the $13-million (base salary + signing bonus) paid out in the first year appears as $3.57-million to the cap! The advantage of signing bonuses for the owner is that he now has more money to spend under the cap. This is how the Washington Redskins ran up a total payroll of $92.41-million in the 2000 season when the cap was $67-million. The advantage for the player is that all signing-bonus money is guaranteed to be paid, whereas an NFL contract is not guaranteed.

There are drawbacks to signing bonuses for the owner, however. Because the bonus is guaranteed to the player, if the player is released, traded or waived, all of the bonus money that was being prorated throughout the length of the contract is accelerated to the present year. So, if our team released its star player after the third year of his contract (before June 1) for whatever reason, the entire remainder of the bonus, almost $6.3-million, will have to count toward the cap the next year (if the team releases the player after June 1, only the yearly $1.57-million will count the next year, and the remainder will count the subsequent year)."

So therefore if a guy has a large signing bonus and more than 2 years left on his contract, then it usually better to wait another year before you cut him.

Here is a link to the Falcons salary cap info as of 2007:

http://www.falcfans.com/features/2007cap.html

You should only cut a guy if he is no longer needed. Some guys may no longer should start, but it does not benefit you to cut them financially if they are still good enough to make the roster. You should only cut a guy when it will benefit you financially or if they are not good enough to make the 53 man roster.

So in saying that I will revise your list:

Defense

ABE-gets hurt to much - Is the best player on the defense. Has a contract through 2011, and would pretty much max out the salary cap if we cut him.

J. anderson_BUST - rookie signed through 2012. huge salary cap hit. even if he turns out to be garbage he is still probably our 2nd or 3rd best DE.

Coleman--old and gets hurt - his salary is higher this year than the remaining part of his signing bonus. He he comes back next year as his old form then I don't want to cut him. but it would benefit us financially.

Brooking- Sucks - The leader of this Falcons team in the locker room. Even if he is a shadow of his former self, at worst he is still the 3rd or 4th best linebacker on the team. He will count 7million a year the next two years. If we cut him, he will still count 2million a year the next two years.

Hall-trouble maker - 5 million a year the next two years. He runs his mouth too much, but is a playmaker. Let the new coaches see if they can work with him. If they can try to work out a reasonable extension. If not trade him before he hits free agency without any compensation.

Milloy-old - Best safety on the team. Although his cap impact if we cut him would be small (small as in good).

Crocker-underachiver/sucks - He is already a free agent.

Lewis-Sucks - Very likely cut prospect. Will only cost us 25k to cut him. But if he is our 3rd best CB this year then we will likely keep him since he is cheap.

J Williams- Sucks - No benefit to cut him. Won't hurt the cap to cut him either.

OffenseGandy-sucks old

Forney-hurts sucks - should be cut, both for financial reasons and for performance.

Weiner-hurts and sucks - probably our best linemen last year. signed through 2011.

LEfty, harrington, redman, shockley---all get hurt all suck - Byron should get cut as he is all salary and no bonus. Don't like Harrington either, but he will probably at least stick around to training camp. Redman is a FA and should be resigned.

Dunn-old small sucks - cost us 3million to cut him before June 1st. 1.5million the next two years after June 1st. 6million to keep him this year. I say we cut him and use the 3million elsewhere. between norwood, snelling, and whoever we draft we will be okay at RB this year. rather use this money to get a free safety in FA.

Norwood- too small injury prone - no comment. dumb. plus he is cheap.

ovie--overpaid - cost us too much money to cut him. we are still going to be running a power offense and need a fullback.

HOrn--old..sucks NOW - cost us 2 million to keep this year. 3 million to cut this year before june 1st. after june 1st cost us 1.5 million over next two years. might be better to keep even though he is a shadow of his former self since he has helped the young recievers and is still probably our 3rd or 4th best receiver. he might retire before his contract ends anyway.

Jenkins-bust - won't be cut unless we bring in another reciever. won't hurt or help us much financially to cut him.

jennings--sucks - he is cheap, but may be cut because of roster size. will be gone if they bring in another returner.

Cut list from a performance and financial perspective:

Keynan Forney

Leftwich

Harrington

Warrick Dunn

Coleman (depends on the injury and what offseason plans are)

[Hollywood_5555]

southga08 (1/28/2008)

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The first thing you have to look at when you cut a game is the salary cap. I found this online to those who don't understand the effect of cutting a player on the salary cap:

"Say, for example, a player wants a seven-year, $60-million contract. Let's say that the owner decides to give that player an $11-million signing bonus, which is all paid out in the first year but gets factored into the cap as prorated over the course of the seven-year contract ($11-million / 7 years = $1.57-million per year). Most NFL contracts are "back-ended" -- most of the base salary is located in the last two or three years of the contract. If we suppose that our player's contract is structured so that he has a base salary of $2-million the first year, with higher base salaries in the final two years of the contract, the $13-million (base salary + signing bonus) paid out in the first year appears as $3.57-million to the cap! The advantage of signing bonuses for the owner is that he now has more money to spend under the cap. This is how the Washington Redskins ran up a total payroll of $92.41-million in the 2000 season when the cap was $67-million. The advantage for the player is that all signing-bonus money is guaranteed to be paid, whereas an NFL contract is not guaranteed.

There are drawbacks to signing bonuses for the owner, however. Because the bonus is guaranteed to the player, if the player is released, traded or waived, all of the bonus money that was being prorated throughout the length of the contract is accelerated to the present year. So, if our team released its star player after the third year of his contract (before June 1) for whatever reason, the entire remainder of the bonus, almost $6.3-million, will have to count toward the cap the next year (if the team releases the player after June 1, only the yearly $1.57-million will count the next year, and the remainder will count the subsequent year)."

So therefore if a guy has a large signing bonus and more than 2 years left on his contract, then it usually better to wait another year before you cut him.

Here is a link to the Falcons salary cap info as of 2007:

http://www.falcfans.com/features/2007cap.html

You should only cut a guy if he is no longer needed. Some guys may no longer should start, but it does not benefit you to cut them financially if they are still good enough to make the roster. You should only cut a guy when it will benefit you financially or if they are not good enough to make the 53 man roster.

So in saying that I will revise your list:

Defense

ABE-gets hurt to much - Is the best player on the defense. Has a contract through 2011, and would pretty much max out the salary cap if we cut him.

J. anderson_BUST - rookie signed through 2012. huge salary cap hit. even if he turns out to be garbage he is still probably our 2nd or 3rd best DE.

Coleman--old and gets hurt - his salary is higher this year than the remaining part of his signing bonus. He he comes back next year as his old form then I don't want to cut him. but it would benefit us financially.

Brooking- Sucks - The leader of this Falcons team in the locker room. Even if he is a shadow of his former self, at worst he is still the 3rd or 4th best linebacker on the team. He will count 7million a year the next two years. If we cut him, he will still count 2million a year the next two years.

Hall-trouble maker - 5 million a year the next two years. He runs his mouth too much, but is a playmaker. Let the new coaches see if they can work with him. If they can try to work out a reasonable extension. If not trade him before he hits free agency without any compensation.

Milloy-old - Best safety on the team. Although his cap impact if we cut him would be small (small as in good).

Crocker-underachiver/sucks - He is already a free agent.

Lewis-Sucks - Very likely cut prospect. Will only cost us 25k to cut him. But if he is our 3rd best CB this year then we will likely keep him since he is cheap.

J Williams- Sucks - No benefit to cut him. Won't hurt the cap to cut him either.

OffenseGandy-sucks old

Forney-hurts sucks - should be cut, both for financial reasons and for performance.

Weiner-hurts and sucks - probably our best linemen last year. signed through 2011.

LEfty, harrington, redman, shockley---all get hurt all suck - Byron should get cut as he is all salary and no bonus. Don't like Harrington either, but he will probably at least stick around to training camp. Redman is a FA and should be resigned.

Dunn-old small sucks - cost us 3million to cut him before June 1st. 1.5million the next two years after June 1st. 6million to keep him this year. I say we cut him and use the 3million elsewhere. between norwood, snelling, and whoever we draft we will be okay at RB this year. rather use this money to get a free safety in FA.

Norwood- too small injury prone - no comment. dumb. plus he is cheap.

ovie--overpaid - cost us too much money to cut him. we are still going to be running a power offense and need a fullback.

HOrn--old..sucks NOW - cost us 2 million to keep this year. 3 million to cut this year before june 1st. after june 1st cost us 1.5 million over next two years. might be better to keep even though he is a shadow of his former self since he has helped the young recievers and is still probably our 3rd or 4th best receiver. he might retire before his contract ends anyway.

Jenkins-bust - won't be cut unless we bring in another reciever. won't hurt or help us much financially to cut him.

jennings--sucks - he is cheap, but may be cut because of roster size. will be gone if they bring in another returner.

Cut list from a performance and financial perspective:

Keynan Forney

Leftwich

Harrington

Warrick Dunn

Coleman (depends on the injury and what offseason plans are)

THANK YOU FOR THAT POST

[southga08]

Side Note:

(free roster spaces)

The Falcons have 14 free agents this year. Probably half of those will be resigned (Boley, Koenan, Clabo, Redman, Davis, Blakley, maybe 1-2 more). I don't know how many roster spaces that will free up, because of we had so many guys go on IR last year. It probably would only free up 1-2 spaces in the scheme of things because of all the IR guys coming back. There will probably be 4-5 guys cut this year that have known names. There will probably also be around 2 guys cut that are not well known.

So the Falcons will probably have 8 roster spaces to fill. We have 8 draft picks plus free agency. So a lot of people will be fighting for there jobs.

[Goodoleboy58]

so what about Gandy... all you said is sucks old.... is it worth cutting him? man i hope so.. I'd rather have Scott back :hehe::hehe:

[cshot4]

there is at least one fan on these boards that has a brain

great post southga08

[southga08]

Goodoleboy58 (1/28/2008)

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so what about Gandy... all you said is sucks old.... is it worth cutting him? man i hope so.. I'd rather have Scott back :hehe::hehe:

Absolutely. I forgot him. This is the last year of his contract. 3 million this year with only a 25k signing bonus. Perfect cut candidate (old, coming off an injury, did not play well, big salary with small bonus money). Add him to the list.

Cut list from a performance and financial perspective:

Wayne Gandy

Keynan Forney

Byron Leftwich

Joey Harrington

Warrick Dunn

Rod Coleman (depends on the injury and what the Falcons DT offseason plans are)

[southga08]

Figure I would add this in here. I don't know how accurate it is. I basically took the players signing bonus that he got paid in 2007 and multiplied it by the number of years he had left. That must be why the Falcons are so intent on getting that Vick money back.

Also if the player is cut after June 1st, then the player's cap hit is half of this, but it is spread out over two years instead of one.

Player Cost to Cut

Michael Vick $45,437,142

John Abraham $10,000,000

Todd Weiner $8,400,000

Jamaal Anderson $6,666,665

Alge Crumpler $5,102,508

Keith Brooking $4,584,452

DeAngelo Hall $4,185,000

Ovie Mughelli $4,166,665

Rod Coleman $3,835,000

Warrick Dunn $3,028,332

Joe Horn $3,000,000

Todd McClure $2,266,664

Justin Blalock $2,250,000

Chris Houston $1,950,000

Roddy White $1,812,500

Brian Finneran $1,500,000

Joey Harrington $1,350,000

Michael Jenkins $1,236,000

Kynan Forney $1,097,000

Lawyer Milloy $833,333

Jimmy Williams $780,000

Laurent Robinson $600,000

Stephen Nicholas $495,000

Martrez Milner $465,000

Marcus Wilkins $333,332

Jerious Norwood $300,000

Jonathan Babineaux $287,500

Wayne Gandy $250,000

Quinn Ojinnaka $90,250

David Irons $75,000

Doug Datish $60,000

Adam Jennings $47,200

Trey Lewis $45,000

Daren Stone $45,000

D.J. Shockley $26,874

Lewis Sanders $25,000

Demorrio Williams $0

Chris Crocker $0

Dwayne Blakley $0

Morten Andersen $0

Omare Lowe $0

Chris Redman $0

Artose Pinner $0

Chauncey Davis $0

Michael Boley $0

Michael Koenen $0

Corey McIntyre $0

Tyson Clabo $0

Nick Turnbull $0

Montavious Stanley $0

Byron Leftwich $0

Jamin Elliott $0

Harvey Dahl $0

D'Anthony Batiste $0

Ben Wilkerson $0

Terrance Pennington $0

Travis Williams $0

Tony Taylor $0

Taurean Henderson $0

Renardo Foster $0

Antoine Harris $0

Mike Schneck $0

David Patterson $0

[falconfoozball]

I forgot all about Artose Pinner. Bye-bye Pinner.

[southga08]

These are the most profitable players to cut for the 2008 season.

I am taking their estimated cap hit for the 2008 season and subtracting the cost that it would take to cut them (their total remaining unpaid signing bonus).

Luckily the players that we benefit the most financially by cutting are also the ones who have declined in performance in the most. I have listed them in bold. Brooking is not what he was, but he is the team leader and heart and soul of this franchise. He is under contract for 2 more years, and then you let him retire on his own.

Wayne Gandy $3,501,500

Warrick Dunn $3,250,000

Kynan Forney $2,755,000

Keith Brooking $2,612,774

Byron Leftwich $2,350,000

Rod Coleman $2,084,000

DeAngelo Hall*$ $1,022,500

Lawyer Milloy $1,003,000

Joey Harrington $750,000

Mike Schneck $720,000

Lewis Sanders $595,000

Jonathan Babineaux $440,000

Marcus Wilkins $428,334

Jamin Elliott $360,000

Harvey Dahl $360,000

D'Anthony Batiste $360,000

Ben Wilkerson $360,000

Terrance Pennington $360,000

D.J. Shockley $346,563

Adam Jennings $336,400

Quinn Ojinnaka $319,875

David Patterson $285,000

Travis Williams $285,000

Tony Taylor $285,000

Taurean Henderson $285,000

Renardo Foster $285,000

Antoine Harris $285,000

Trey Lewis $255,000

Daren Stone $255,000

Doug Datish $245,000

Brian Finneran $243,700

David Irons $235,000

Jerious Norwood $210,000

Michael Jenkins* $11,950

We would lose money on the cap by cutting these players: Luckily YKW is only guy on this list that qualifies.

Martrez Milner ($25,000)

Jimmy Williams ($30,000)

Stephen Nicholas ($45,000)

Laurent Robinson ($115,000)

Roddy White ($273,750)

Todd McClure ($699,998)

Joe Horn ($1,000,000)

Chris Houston ($1,015,000)

Justin Blalock ($1,215,000)

Alge Crumpler ($2,318,339)

Ovie Mughelli ($2,333,332)

John Abraham* ($3,500,000)

Jamaal Anderson ($5,048,332)

Todd Weiner ($5,300,000)

Michael Vick ($37,857,142)