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Just wanted to bring up an idea about dual threat QB's, not the prototypical pocket passer. Everybody knows that Vince Young got Norm Chow fired... It's all about the players in the NFL, not the coach. And I've heard that all of VY's receivers are covered, that he should run and get a first down, like the way he did at Texas. But he's found out that the NFL players are much faster/larger and hit like Mack trucks. Hence, he'd rather keep looking down the field with worse receiving corp than the Falcons... He's afraid to use that ability... Hence, I call him a coach killer...

Vick (in prison) no longer with Mora Jr.

Randall Cunningham had little success with early '90 Iggles with that sick defense.

Jake Plummer had little success with AZ/DEN.

Rich Gannon was KO'd at OAK and Callahan was no more.

All I have to say is that the Falcons FO better not draft a dual threat QB since they are unprecdictible for blocking schemes and that they usually don't have the prototypical NFL arm. Just say no to Dennis Dixon!

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You're wrong about one thing. Norm Chow got Norm Chow fired. He was trying to force VY to stay in the pocket, and be the "traditional" QB. That's not VY's strength. I think if anything, dual-threat QBs are even better. The only thing though is that you must have coaches that coach to the player's strength. That's something that often doesn't happen. I by no means want a run-first QB, but I would happily take a QB that first looks down-field, and if nothing is open after going through his reads, tucks it away and runs for yards. They're just much more difficult to defend against, especially if they have a good arm.

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chuck277 (1/22/2008)
Just wanted to bring up an idea about dual threat QB's, not the prototypical pocket passer. Everybody knows that Vince Young got Norm Chow fired... It's all about the players in the NFL, not the coach. And I've heard that all of VY's receivers are covered, that he should run and get a first down, like the way he did at Texas. But he's found out that the NFL players are much faster/larger and hit like Mack trucks. Hence, he'd rather keep looking down the field with worse receiving corp than the Falcons... He's afraid to use that ability... Hence, I call him a coach killer...

Vick (in prison) no longer with Mora Jr.

Randall Cunningham had little success with early '90 Iggles with that sick defense.

Jake Plummer had little success with AZ/DEN.

Rich Gannon was KO'd at OAK and Callahan was no more.

All I have to say is that the Falcons FO better not draft a dual threat QB since they are unprecdictible for blocking schemes and that they usually don't have the prototypical NFL arm. Just say no to Dennis Dixon!

You dont know crap about football. All of these QB's were made to play outside of themselves.

Randall had QB coach nor a real head coach. Look what he did when he got a real coach!!!!

Vick, we all know that he was a batter QB under Reeves.

Mobile QB's can hurt you IF you know how to play them. ie Steve Young......best example!!!!!!

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You dont know crap about football. All of these QB's were made to play outside of themselves.

Randall had QB coach nor a real head coach. Look what he did when he got a real coach!!!!

Vick, we all know that he was a batter QB under Reeves.

Mobile QB's can hurt you IF you know how to play them. ie Steve Young......best example!!!!!!

LOL, Steve Young is the only example... Name another successful (SB winning) QB???

DIdn't think so!

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chuck277 (1/23/2008)

You dont know crap about football. All of these QB's were made to play outside of themselves.

Randall had QB coach nor a real head coach. Look what he did when he got a real coach!!!!

Vick, we all know that he was a batter QB under Reeves.

Mobile QB's can hurt you IF you know how to play them. ie Steve Young......best example!!!!!!

LOL, Steve Young is the only example... Name another successful (SB winning) QB???

DIdn't think so!

Considering the percent of dual threat QB's that play in the league at any one time...I would say it is about on par with # of superbowls they have won.

And its also up to individual people what a dual threat QB is.

John Elway has a couple rings, and had over 3,400 yards rushing in his career.

Fran Tarkenton went to 3 superbowls, and had over 3,600 rushing yards in his career.

Etc, etc, etc.

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Randall Cunningham had little success with early '90 Iggles with that sick defense. Are you that dense? Cunningham had a sick season with 3500 passing yards and 900 rushing

Jake Plummer had little success with AZ/DEN. Denver went to the playoffs almost every year with Plummer at the helm

Rich Gannon was KO'd at OAK and Callahan was no more. All Rich Gannon did was lead OAK to the SB and set the record for most completions in a season.

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chuck277 (1/23/2008)

You dont know crap about football. All of these QB's were made to play outside of themselves.

Randall had QB coach nor a real head coach. Look what he did when he got a real coach!!!!

Vick, we all know that he was a batter QB under Reeves.

Mobile QB's can hurt you IF you know how to play them. ie Steve Young......best example!!!!!!

LOL, Steve Young is the only example... Name another successful (SB winning) QB???

DIdn't think so!

Considering the percent of dual threat QB's that play in the league at any one time...I would say it is about on par with # of superbowls they have won.

And its also up to individual people what a dual threat QB is.

John Elway has a couple rings, and had over 3,400 yards rushing in his career.

Fran Tarkenton went to 3 superbowls, and had over 3,600 rushing yards in his career.

Etc, etc, etc.

Don't forget Steve McNair, he made it to a SB. And McNabb too. Culpepper made it to a conference championship game. Vick made it to a conference championship.

Mobile QBs can win, but because of the nature of the NFL (that nearly every team needs to have certain fatal flaws -- GMs go cheap on the players surrounding a mobile QB.

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Dual Threat is the future still. The O-linemn are too slow, and out-of shape to blcok some of these DEs and DT.

Brady isn't a "Cigar Store Indian" back there, neither is Romo, Favre, or both Mannings, and definitely not The Jags QB.

Plus, nobody knows what Brady was studying because The Patriots and The NFL won't won't address what happened in Game 1.

He's great and The Patriots are without the footage.. Still, I think its akin to a hungry, smart student who wants to dominate so badly that they cheat to be the absolute best.. It happens all the time. Some are caught, others are not.

A very good and smart/great QB can carve-up opposing defenses and their zones with The Patriots previous WRs if they knew what the opposing teams were running (drops in zones, personnel changes, LB and secondary hand signals, etc..). Sign a rejected Moss and Stallworth to prove that the spying wasn't needed.. (Smart Plan, and its worked..) I can say this because The Partiots and The NFL won't address anything, and destroyed the evidence before reporters and other teams gained control of the footage.

The NFL needs to also address favoritism calls for the bigger named franchises/markets. The Falcons got shafted with bad calls without Vick this season even within their own Dome at times.

Look at the established teams in the playoffs, and how many holding calls, offsides, and too many men on the field are called.

The cameras follow the ball... Count the holds when THe NFL Network re-airs some of the playoff games.. (A DVD-R of the games would be better because THe NFLN edits for TV time). The Falcons get too many "ticky-tack" calls on kick-off returns, holding, blocks-in-the-back, tripping, punching.. So, do many other bad teams. That's why their games seem like slow, long drag-outs of a bad game for TV. The bigger markets run the show.

This will be cleaned-up soon. The same teams winning is bad for business overall, and alot of it is based on penalties, more than cheating.

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The difficulty with mobile Qb's is that they can dominate at the collge level with their sheer atheltic ability and don't therefroe have to develop the same pocket presence and abvility from the pocket to be succesful. Many mobile Qb's aren't true dual threats because they rely on their legs too much and are poor and inconsistent passers of the ball - or they take alot of time top develop their passing skills. At NFL level it is impossible to dominate consistently on athletic ability alone, and that's why guys like Mike Vick an Vince Young struggle.

The succesful mobile Qb'sare the guys who can consistentyly beat you from the pocket, but who also have the added dimension of the run. Elway and Montana had the right balance. Young and McNabb also got it right, but bith took several years to develop as pocket passers.

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The difficulty with mobile Qb's is that they can dominate at the collge level with their sheer atheltic ability and don't therefroe have to develop the same pocket presence and abvility from the pocket to be succesful. Many mobile Qb's aren't true dual threats because they rely on their legs too much and are poor and inconsistent passers of the ball - or they take alot of time top develop their passing skills. At NFL level it is impossible to dominate consistently on athletic ability alone, and that's why guys like Mike Vick an Vince Young struggle.

The succesful mobile Qb'sare the guys who can consistentyly beat you from the pocket, but who also have the added dimension of the run. Elway and Montana had the right balance. Young and McNabb also got it right, but bith took several years to develop as pocket passers.

The difference is SUPPORTING CAST

Vick and Vince Young's supporting cast vs that of Montana and Elway is laughable

McNabb got it right when they got T.O., Steve Young also had T.O. and Jerry Rice.

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