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JDaveG (12/17/2007)
Cult Leader (12/17/2007)
Who are you supporting?

Ramen is hoping Hillary doesn't get the nomination so he can vote Democrat without feeling like an idiot :P

I want to be able to vote Obama just so I can go to the polling place with a bag of Habanero Doritos!

True story.

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Ramen (12/17/2007)
JDaveG (12/17/2007)
Cult Leader (12/17/2007)
Who are you supporting?

Ramen is hoping Hillary doesn't get the nomination so he can vote Democrat without feeling like an idiot :P

I want to be able to vote Obama just so I can go to the polling place with a bag of Habanero Doritos!

True story.

Regardless, its either going to be Hillary/Obama ticket or an Obama/Hillary ticket.

Both want to destroy our country.

Paul is the only Republican who can defeat such evil.

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Cult Leader (12/17/2007)

Regardless, its either going to be Hillary/Obama ticket or an Obama/Hillary ticket.

Both want to destroy our country.

Paul is the only Republican who can defeat such evil.

Why can't Paul simply be the candidate who best represents your views? Why does it have to be a moral crusade against the forces of evil and communism?

Really, some of the Ron Paul supporters sound like kids playing Dungeons and Dragons who took the game WAY too seriously when they were kids. It comes across as sad and pathetic, and you'll never make a broad appeal to the public with that weak ######.

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falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
I've got a picture of Ron Paul from the 1990s:

Pat_Buchanan.jpg

He looks different today. Same views, but different look.

Hardly. You know very little about either man if you believe that. Both are to one degree or another isolationist and protectionist, but Buchanan is a rank theocrat, while Paul is a Libertarian. They do share some social views, but Paul is not about imposing the Church on the electorate through the power of the State, and Buchanan most certainly is.

I will gladly vote for Ron Paul. I would NEVER vote for Pat Buchanan. And that's because of their differences on issues, not their hairstyles.

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Ramen (12/17/2007)
Cult Leader (12/17/2007)

Regardless, its either going to be Hillary/Obama ticket or an Obama/Hillary ticket.

Both want to destroy our country.

Paul is the only Republican who can defeat such evil.

Why can't Paul simply be the candidate who best represents your views? Why does it have to be a moral crusade against the forces of evil and communism?

Really, some of the Ron Paul supporters sound like kids playing Dungeons and Dragons who took the game WAY too seriously when they were kids. It comes across as sad and pathetic, and you'll never make a broad appeal to the public with that weak ######.

He DOES best represent my views and I will debate you on any of them.

I'm against the North American Union

I'm against the Federal Reserve.

I'm against this illegal war.

I'm against the NAFTA Superhighway

I'm against the illegal invaders.

I'm against the Patriot Act

I'm against the large government bureaucracies

I'm against a carbon tax.

I'm against the IRS.

I'm against the domestic spying programs.

I'm against the war on drugs.

I'm pro capitalism

I'm pro gun

I'm civil liberties

I'm pro balanced budget

I'm pro a gold backed dollar

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falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
I've got a picture of Ron Paul from the 1990s:

Pat_Buchanan.jpg

He looks different today. Same views, but different look.

Their ONLY similarities are that they both profess to be Christians.

Buchanan is a complete fraud who is supporting Gouliani of all people.

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JDaveG (12/17/2007)
falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
I've got a picture of Ron Paul from the 1990s:

Pat_Buchanan.jpg

He looks different today. Same views, but different look.

Hardly. You know very little about either man if you believe that. Both are to one degree or another isolationist and protectionist, but Buchanan is a rank theocrat, while Paul is a Libertarian. They do share some social views, but Paul is not about imposing the Church on the electorate through the power of the State, and Buchanan most certainly is.

I will gladly vote for Ron Paul. I would NEVER vote for Pat Buchanan. And that's because of their differences on issues, not their hairstyles.

I could have added Ross Perot and John Anderson to the mix to make my point and that is you are dealing with a FRINGE candidate here. You elect a guy like this and all he will do is spend 4 years fighting with Congress. Besides, the Republican Party is run by a bunch of religious zealots who want to "return America to Christ" (i.e., bring back Medeval time) so you are wasting your money on this guy.

You guys SAY you want a revolution...but do you really?

If you want to protest against the system, go ahead and vote for this

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Cult Leader (12/17/2007)
falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
Lets not forget Ron Paul in 1968:

So, you're calling Dr Paul a lunatic? Specifically why?

"He [Paul] favors withdrawal from NATO and the United Nations. Having pledged never to raise taxes, he has long advocated ending the federal income tax and reducing government spending by abolishing most federal agencies; he favors hard money and opposes the Federal Reserve. He also opposes the Patriot Act, the federal War on Drugs, and gun control."

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falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
Cult Leader (12/17/2007)
falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
Lets not forget Ron Paul in 1968:

So, you're calling Dr Paul a lunatic? Specifically why?

"He [Paul] favors withdrawal from NATO and the United Nations. Having pledged never to raise taxes, he has long advocated ending the federal income tax and reducing government spending by abolishing most federal agencies; he favors hard money and opposes the Federal Reserve. He also opposes the Patriot Act, the federal War on Drugs, and gun control."

yeah, uh, so...why'd you call him a lunatic again? all of those are GREAT ideas.

The UN is a scam that heaps praise on abusive regimes like China, funnels money to various corrupt gov'ts and organizations, and seeks to impose foreign laws on the US.

Federal Income Tax is completely screwed-up and places an undue tax burden on the middle class. The IRS should absolutely be abolished. (Not to mention it's technically unconstitutional)

What's wrong with a commodity-backed currency? Why in the world would the American people pay interest to a private company to print valueless money when they have every sovereign right to distribute their own currency at NO interest?

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional and tramples upon our civil liberties. It was shadily forced through Congress during an emotional time, and nobody read it before signing it into law. It too should absolutely be abolished.

The War on Drugs is a miserable failure that has served only to hike taxes, militarize the police, further erode our civil liberties, and imprison millions of Americans.

Most gun control is an awful and unconstitutional idea.

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Vote Ron Paul into office and see all of the progress we've made in Iraq disappear. He has the worst plan for Iraq Ive ever seen. But because he uses the words "pull out" some want to vote for him. Luckily he's only polling at 5% because if the Winter Warlock ever won, this country would crumble.

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Cult Leader (12/17/2007)

He DOES best represent my views and I will debate you on any of them.

I'm against the North American Union

I'm against the Federal Reserve.

I'm against this illegal war.

I'm against the NAFTA Superhighway

I'm against the illegal invaders.

I'm against the Patriot Act

I'm against the large government bureaucracies

I'm against a carbon tax.

I'm against the IRS.

I'm against the domestic spying programs.

I'm against the war on drugs.

I'm pro capitalism

I'm pro gun

I'm civil liberties

I'm pro balanced budget

I'm pro a gold backed dollar

Then why can't your support be based SOLELY on these issues? Why do you have to inject this "saving the world from the evil forces of communism and Hillary Clinton" BS propaganda into every post or thread you make?

Talk about the issues and leave the conspiracy theorist, end-of-the-world Chicken Little crap out of it. You're not helping overcome the image of Ron Paul as a kook with your "I fear for his safety against the godless evil US government that's intent on assassinating him" stupidity. Stop overstating your case.

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Ramen (12/17/2007)

Then why can't your support be based SOLELY on these issues? Why do you have to inject this "saving the world from the evil forces of communism and Hillary Clinton" BS propaganda into every post or thread you make?

Talk about the issues and leave the conspiracy theorist, end-of-the-world Chicken Little crap out of it. You're not helping overcome the image of Ron Paul as a kook with your "I fear for his safety against the godless evil US government that's intent on assassinating him" stupidity. Stop overstating your case.

Well for one thing Hillary Clinton is an authoritarian socialist, and so yeah the evil forces of Communism are indeed invading depending on how you define an "invasion". Of course she is the same authoritarian socialist as every other D or R candidate aside from Dr. Paul.

Yeah the Paul Assassination is a kooky conspiracy theory. The NAFTA Superhighway doesn't really exist, etc. But there is talk of a North America Union, and there is talk of giving the U.N. judicial powers in the United States. There's a little bit of truth in those tidbits and most presidents will let it slide in order to compromise for some pet project of theirs. I'd prefer to elect a president who had no pet projects, rather one who would let all of the previous president's pets run free and no longer screwup my country.

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XLDenaliReturns (12/17/2007)
falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
Cult Leader (12/17/2007)
falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
Lets not forget Ron Paul in 1968:

So, you're calling Dr Paul a lunatic? Specifically why?

"He [Paul] favors withdrawal from NATO and the United Nations. Having pledged never to raise taxes, he has long advocated ending the federal income tax and reducing government spending by abolishing most federal agencies; he favors hard money and opposes the Federal Reserve. He also opposes the Patriot Act, the federal War on Drugs, and gun control."

yeah, uh, so...why'd you call him a lunatic again? all of those are GREAT ideas.

The UN is a scam that heaps praise on abusive regimes like China, funnels money to various corrupt gov'ts and organizations, and seeks to impose foreign laws on the US.

Federal Income Tax is completely screwed-up and places an undue tax burden on the middle class. The IRS should absolutely be abolished. (Not to mention it's technically unconstitutional)

What's wrong with a commodity-backed currency? Why in the world would the American people pay interest to a private company to print valueless money when they have every sovereign right to distribute their own currency at NO interest?

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional and tramples upon our civil liberties. It was shadily forced through Congress during an emotional time, and nobody read it before signing it into law. It too should absolutely be abolished.

The War on Drugs is a miserable failure that has served only to hike taxes, militarize the police, further erode our civil liberties, and imprison millions of Americans.

Most gun control is an awful and unconstitutional idea.

And the International Banking Cartels are at the root of what we call Communism today!!!:hehe:

Beyond debating the good/bad of all of this (I happen to agree with some of your points), the fact remains that the next four years would be a meaningless Paul/Congress war. I think we have wasted enough time with Shrub.

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falcnfan77 (12/17/2007)
I could have added Ross Perot and John Anderson to the mix to make my point and that is you are dealing with a FRINGE candidate here.

If that was your point, you should have said so instead of saying Paul and Buchanan share the "same issues." They don't. They're not even in the same ballpark unless you are a single-issue anti-protectionist.

You elect a guy like this and all he will do is spend 4 years fighting with Congress. Besides, the Republican Party is run by a bunch of religious zealots who want to "return America to Christ" (i.e., bring back Medeval time) so you are wasting your money on this guy.

You guys SAY you want a revolution...but do you really?

If you want to protest against the system, go ahead and vote for this

It's not a protest against the system. It's a vote for the right issues at the right time. We're long since past the point of "agreeing" our way to any real change. If you keep doing what you've been doing, you're going to keep getting what you've been getting.

Maybe that's what you want, but I don't. Oddly enough, that makes you the stodgy conservative and me the radical. I'll take that.

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