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My choice is clearly 2. One playoff appearance with Dan Reeves players, two failed coaches in less than 4 years, a pathetic draft and free agant record (in my opinion) and the damning evidence is that a team which was "supposedly" constructed in a balanced way was exposed as a one-trick pony. Witness the fact that since McKay left Tampa they have won two division titles under the personell moves of Jon Gruden, who clashed with McKay and forced his exit. Defend him if you will, and some of you undoubtably will, be as Bill Parcells says "You are what your record says that you are." That record, by the way is 29-33 and counting, even if you include the 11-5 record with the aforementioned Reeves talent. Take that way and examine the last 3 seasons and you get an underwhelming 18-28. That record is much closer to Matt Millen of the Lions than, say Bill Polian of the Colts.

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Alex Gibbs??? You're kidding right? Every place he has stepped he has had a very good running game. That was his job right? Alex Gibbs did a very good job and it was a huge mistake not keeping him around.

Well I agree that he is a very good coach. The problem with him is that the type of lineman he likes to play with cannot play in a conventional scheme. The only way the line was going to be any good at all here was if we stayed with the zone scheme. Now that we are out of it, we're going to have to replace almost everybody on the line.

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I voted Petrino. I don't believe you can fault McKay for selecting him as a coach. Most everyone you talked to believed Petrino was primed and ready to be a Head Coach in the NFL. That's how I see it anyway. I still believe McKay is a very good GM. I wouldn't be upset to see the next coach, if experienced enough, take the personnel decisions from him though. I believe that would be the right direction to go. Either that, or I'd like to see the team bring in a personnel specialist to assist McKay, or just throw a lot more on Devaney's plate.

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I started pointing out that McKay was a problem last year when I looked down on the field and saw 4 starters playing that he drafted.

If you want to know what the problem is, I will quote McKay when they were looking to hire a HC after they fired Reeves.

Rich Mckay: "We are looking for a coach, not a king."

That pretty much sums it up. That describes their hires. I honestly am not that confident that McBlank will make a good decision with this hire either.

IMHO, they are 0-3 on the HC

1- fired Reeves

2- Hired Mora

3- Hired Purina

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where is #6?

#6 should be all of the above and the dumb fans who come out to support this horrible team.

sorry to season ticket holders but something has to be done from a fans aspect. i don't care if it is a brown paper bag over ur head or even not showing up and not renewing ur tickets. we are the ones who pay these guys salary last time i check

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philosophico (12/16/2007)
This is pretty simple, without the real brains (ruskell) mckay is just a empty shell.

Its no shocker that since ruskell became seattle's GM THEY'VE BEEN BETTER and we've become steadily worse.

I agree with this ONLY on the basis of talent evaluation. McKay is superior in the executive/management department.

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socalfalconfan (12/16/2007)
I voted Petrino. I don't believe you can fault McKay for selecting him as a coach. Most everyone you talked to believed Petrino was primed and ready to be a Head Coach in the NFL. That's how I see it anyway. I still believe McKay is a very good GM. I wouldn't be upset to see the next coach, if experienced enough, take the personnel decisions from him though. I believe that would be the right direction to go. Either that, or I'd like to see the team bring in a personnel specialist to assist McKay, or just throw a lot more on Devaney's plate.

Socal I respect your views and we agree on a lot of issues but the "McKay is a very good GM" quote is one I am in total disagreement with you over, due to the fact that there is no evidence of his being very good. If there was any proof, even anecdotal other than people throwing up "Well, he won a SuperBowl" then I would agree. I just dont see it.

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richardc (12/16/2007)
I started pointing out that McKay was a problem last year when I looked down on the field and saw 4 starters playing that he drafted.

If you want to know what the problem is, I will quote McKay when they were looking to hire a HC after they fired Reeves.

Rich Mckay: "We are looking for a coach, not a king."

That pretty much sums it up. That describes their hires. I honestly am not that confident that McBlank will make a good decision with this hire either.

IMHO, they are 0-3 on the HC

1- fired Reeves

2- Hired Mora

3- Hired Purina

I forget that he said that. Mission accomplished as instead we ended up with 2 "dukes" as in poop. You could easily make the case that they are 0-3 i smart coaching descisions.

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Blank and McKay have to shoulder a lot of the blame for not being capable of hiring a good HC since Reeves was, correctly imo, fired. Not really unusual for this organization that has really only had one good one....Bennett.

McKay has to take some blame for not building the OLine. He could have overuled Gibbs!

Michael has to take the blame for having it made and throwing it away, leaving us w/o a QB.

I guess hiring poor CO's (Knapp/Donatell) fits in with the hiring of a poor HC.

Bottom line.....

Rebuilding DOES NOT mean starting from scratch every 1-3 years!

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denimjacket (12/16/2007)
Blank and McKay have to shoulder a lot of the blame for not being capable of hiring a good HC since Reeves was, correctly imo, fired. Not really unusual for this organization that has really only had one good one....Bennett.

McKay has to take some blame for not building the OLine. He could have overuled Gibbs!

Michael has to take the blame for having it made and throwing it away, leaving us w/o a QB.

I guess hiring poor CO's (Knapp/Donatell) fits in with the hiring of a poor HC.

Bottom line.....

Rebuilding DOES NOT mean starting from scratch every 1-3 years!

Frankly, we have been rebuilding for 41 years....I'm tired of the "next year" mantra, which has only really come once and that was 97 and winning 7 0f 8 games going forward to the abberation Super Bowl year. What happened a year later? Back to rebuilding mode. Supposedly McKay was hired to build a foundation of talent that would compete regardless of coaching philosophy yet it is clear that if his mission was stocking the team with talent, he has failed miserably. Again, argue that point but the record and facts speak for themselves.

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Regardless who is to blame, this is the saddest season for any fan for any sport.

Whenever I start to think this season might be the worst ever, i think back to 87-88, when the Falcons were by far the worst team in the league, and 3 players died. At least nobody has died this year. Knock on wood.

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kennycaine (12/16/2007)
My choice is clearly 2. One playoff appearance with Dan Reeves players, two failed coaches in less than 4 years, a pathetic draft and free agant record (in my opinion) and the damning evidence is that a team which was "supposedly" constructed in a balanced way was exposed as a one-trick pony. Witness the fact that since McKay left Tampa they have won two division titles under the personell moves of Jon Gruden, who clashed with McKay and forced his exit. Defend him if you will, and some of you undoubtably will, be as Bill Parcells says "You are what your record says that you are." That record, by the way is 29-33 and counting, even if you include the 11-5 record with the aforementioned Reeves talent. Take that way and examine the last 3 seasons and you get an underwhelming 18-28. That record is much closer to Matt Millen of the Lions than, say Bill Polian of the Colts.
I had to go with Blank because:

1. He hired McKay - who wrode Dungy and Ruskell's coattails to a Bowl

2. He fired Reeves - the best coach in franchise history

3. He fired Phillips - the second dumb move in a 3 week period

4. He paid Vick $130M - and coddled him in a wheelchair

5. He hired Mora - a Husky man

6. He hired Petrino - who is probably interviewing for the LSU job as we speak

7. He is too involved - he needs to get a real football man, cut checks and stay away

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I voted Rich McKay. The GM on most teams is responsible for the quality of the players your team has on the field.....

McKay has whiffed on more than he has gotten right....

I don't see him going anywhere anytime soon though. He has Arthur completely buffaloed and as we all have seen way too much of lately Blank is very prone to being fooled by people.

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birdfann (12/16/2007)

6. He hired Petrino - who is probably interviewing for the LSU job as we speak

I laughed my butt off when I read that....Appreciate it man....:laugh:

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