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Revised Mock Draft 1.1: Life After Pigtrino

It s really too soon after head coach s, Bobby Petrino s untimely exit to be guessing at the Atlanta Falcons up-coming draft picks. But, as a fan, you almost feel compelled to churn out an up-dated Post-Petrino mock draft. Very much like demonic possession, one finds themselves eerily tapping away on the keyboard, and looking up early 2008 NFL draft projects for the horrid Falcons.

Creepy, but true.

CURRENT NEWS:

Veteran NFL coach and Hall of Fame candidate Emmitt Thomas was selected as the Falcons interim head coach Wednesday after the abrupt resignation of Bobby Petrino. Thomas has been a member of the Falcons coaching staff since 2002.

-Provided courtesy of Atlanta Falcons official website

FREE AGENCY

I still stand by my original statement that the Falcons will be extremely active in the upcoming off-season. General Manager, Rich McKay, particularly after both the Vick and Petrino debacles has to produce at the least a competitive team. Hard to fault Blank who has supported McKay s decisions regarding the hiring of both Jim Mora, Bobby Petrino, extended the contract of ex-quarterback, Michael Vick and in general been fiscally supportive of McKay s free agent (FA) pursuits many of which have been busts. As former owner of Home Depot, one has to believe that Blank wants a return on his investment sooner rather than later. And has grown impatient as well.

My first 08 prediction is if the Falcons finish less than 8-8, McKay will be fired.

However, depending on which coach they hire, he may be gone before the draft. If Blank can lure a hall of fame coach like Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells or Marty Schottenheimer to Atlanta, then it s safe to say that he ll fire McKay and hire a personnel guy to run the show.

McKay s work is cut out for him.

There are a lot of holes on this roster. Quarterback, running back, offensive line and the safety position all have aging or ineffective players. Personally, I think McKay uses free agency to immediately infuse the offensive line with size and ability. Offensive tackles (OT) are expensive, but I highly doubt that McKay or the next coach has any desire to enter next season without a solid and large veteran OT on next years squad after this years dismal offensive output.

My money is still on us targeting one of two FA OTs: Flozell Adams, OT Dallas Cowboys and Max Starks, OT, Pittsburgh Steelers. Personally I think Flozell is our pick. He's 32, already an established and dominant veteran and will be an unrestricted free agent (UFA) and he will be seeking a big payday. In my opinion the cowboys let him walk as they have Pat McQuiston and Doug Free waiting in the wings. Both are younger, cheaper and have high ceilings. Additionally you could see the Cowboys moving Leonard Davis, who's finally living up to his original high draft status, over to LT. And lastly the Cowboys have an extra mid-first round pick obtained from the Cleveland Browns in the Brady Quinn deal, and this upcoming draft has a deep and talented pool of offensive linemen.

Both Adams and Starks are huge (6'7" and 340 and 6'8" 340 respectively), which definitely fits the mold of the type of OLmen that Petrino wants. Starks is only 25, whereas Adams is 32, so age will certainly factor in the falcons decision. I can almost hear you all muttering under your breath as you read this article, No way we pick Adams over Starks. Starks is huge, young and possibly cheaper. You, m.e., are truly an idiot! But, please, halt the mob, put down the pitchforks and let me explain why Adams is the better FA acquisition for the Falcons:

1. Flozell is a proven commodity; Starks is not. Look at Romo's numbers ****, look at the Cowboys offensive output in general. I rest my case.

2. Starks is much younger at 25, but he can't even beat out Willie Colon, a second year man from Hofstra. I don't think McKay dare chances signing a potential FA bust after the last couple of years of Falcon mediocrity and drama.

3. Adams is 32, and probably has 3-5 years at least of good football ahead of him. That will allow us the luxury of developing young talent behind him, and not feeding a draft pick to the wolves and hoping they can protect a rookie or FA quarterback.

4. It's a much easier transition from college to the NFL at the OG position. I think Forney is gone at RG, but I disagree with other posters that think Alan Faneca will be our priority FA target. I think we will draft Forney's replacement, and plug him like we did Blalock.

And, yes, I know some rookie left OTs start and excel right away, but plenty do not. Todd Mandarich comes to mind. Don t remember him? How about Robert Gallery, the former number 2 overall pick for the Oakland Raiders? He was thrown to the wolves on a bad team, as their starting left tackle. Gallery now is an extremely over-drafted and overpaid guard.

Another position I think that we look to fill via FA is the Safety position. Dallas Cowboy Ken Hamlin will be an UFA. The cowboys probably will try to sign him long term, but at 26 and one of the best FSs available, Hamlin may shop himself to the highest bidder, however, he may be to pricey for the Falcons. But he could be a possibility as he has struggled in coverage at times and again the Cowboys have a lot of draft picks. On the coverage struggle issues, I think that isn t a determent for the Falcons, as defensive coordinator, Mike Zimmer, plays a lot of man coverage with the cornerbacks and this would allow Hamlin to be an enforcer for receivers going across the middle, and an extra linebacker when we put 8 in the box to stop the run.

Another intriguing FA would be the Pats FS/CB Randall Gay. He has been a versatile player for the Patriots making starts at both FS and CB as needed. A former UDFA, G ay may be looking to cash in and the Patriots may let him walk, as they have a great history of developing FAs. G ay would be an improvement over Crocker IMO and if Darren Stone may be ready to step into the SS position next year providing an enforcer type athlete in the secondary.

Hamlin is my preference, but I also like Gay a lot. Rather, I like the type of player that Gay is; he s hardnosed, team oriented, and versatile. Injuries happen and the flexibility to move players around is a great commodity for any team.

One thing is certain. We have a lot of holes and we could use about 15 draft picks to fill them all. Unfortunately a salary cap exists and we can only sign so many picks and free agents. So in this mock, I orchestrated an immediate triage to get the Falcons to at least a competitive level by focusing on versatility. Specifically I intentionally used the ability to play multiple positions as discerning criteria for my OL choices. All can play multiple positions along the OL, and at the very least all should provide much needed size and depth.

For my initial mock, I introduce no trades at all and assume that we receive a 4th round compensatory pick for recently departed, FA Patrick Kerney (might even by a 3rd round pick). Another assumption I am positing is that NE Patriots will be picking 2nd overall (via San Fran). If my assumptions particularly the initial draft order is off, then this mock will need revising. Here are our projected picks:

Round 1

Round 2

Round 2(From Houston)

Round 3

Round 4

Round 4(Kerney)

Round 5

Round 6

Round 6(Rossum)

Round 7

It's important to point out that it's way too early to do a completely credible mock, as many of these players will rise and fall based upon combine results and team needs. So I simply drafted in areas that I felt that we were weakest at.

NEW HEAD COACH CANDIDATES & DRAFT/FREE AGENCY EFFECT

Very little.

Few things have changed post-Petrino, as we still have gaping holes on either side of the ball. I do think that we won t hire a gimmick offensive coach. So don t expect the run and shoot offense to appear in Atlanta. I also think that the next coach may well be a veteran coach like Cowher or Schottenheimer. If the next coach is a coordinator, he ll be Blank s choice not McKay s.

The same holds true with my Free Agent projections. We have holes, regardless of new coach.

The only current coordinators that I feel have a chance at the job would be Mike Singletary, Asst. Coach of the San Francisco 49ers, and Josh McDaniels, offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots. Note I said that have a chance. Truthfully, I m not positive that the chance actually exists. While I know Blank supposedly loved Singletary and wanted to hire him in place of Petrino, yet ceded to the wishes of McKay, you have to wonder if that was the whole story. Singletary is truly a respected NFL man, both as a player and a coach, but has his presence in San Fran really produced great results?

To put it in perspective for you, the 49ers finished 26th in total team defense last year. This year they drafted potential rookie of the year, linebacker Patrick Willis, signed big-time cornerback, Nate Clements to a huge contract, and added stud, safety free agent, Michael Lewis, to their defense. Guess what their ranking is? The 49ers are 22nd overall in team defense and give up over 24 points per game.

Guess who is in charge of the defense? You got it. Mr. Singletary. Now one could argue that they actually moved up 4 spots in the ranking. I argue that they should have with the talent drafted and the quality of free agents. Last year s squad gave up almost 26 points a game. Again one could argue that was an improvement. Again I argue, with the type of draft and free agent signings that had a better improvement should have occurred.

Is it Singletary s fault? Not all of it, I m sure. But is he some genius coach in the making? I m not convinced that he is at least yet. As a linebackers coach, sure. As a head coach, not yet. I further support this argument by the 3-10 record the 49ers currently have. Yeah, I know the head coach is always at fault. But you gotta believe that he listens to his assistant.

McDaniels is certainly brilliant as a coordinator, as evidenced by the Patriots explosive offense. But I m not so sure that he would even want our mess for his first time head coaching positions. And I m fairly certain that Blank is about burnt out on high-risk/potentially low reward former coordinators and college coaches as the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.

I see experience real NFL head coaching experience being the next hire. Additionally, I see real NFL success wins and losses as head coach success being the key parameter for the next hire. One last name to throw in the list might be former head coach, Dan Reeves. During his time under Blank, the two clashed, but Blank is a businessman and Reeves is a proven winner. It was Reeves who took the Falcons to their only super bowl.

So what was the whole point to this section, you rightfully ask? Simple, regardless of coach we will draft and sign free agents to fill holes and we ll try to draft playmakers when possible.

Our offensive line is tiny, old and ravaged by injury. All forementioned job candidates have teams that have huge offensive lines, not a roster filled with anorexic smurfs that exel in our former zone-blocking scheme. I still stand by my earlier predictions of free agent targets.

All of the above mentioned candidates have or either had punishing running backs that can carry every down. Note I didn t necessarily say Jerome Bettis-type backs. What I said is every down type running backs. I think the consensus on Jerious Norwood is that he is comparable to Eric Metcalfe or Reggie Bush. Best utilized by fewer and varied types of touches that utilize his speed. Norwood will be a big part of our team, but will see a new backfield partner, as Warrick Dunn is most likely done posing as a full-time back. Under the new regime he ll either be cut, reduced to utility (Kevin Faulk-type) or retire.

Lastly, we need a quarterback regardless of which coach we hire. This may be the only real need that has mutated. Originally I had Brian Brohm as our first pick, and he still could be, but depending on combine results that could change. I m changing the pick now, based upon experts rankings, which I think will factor heavily in our selection at our projected draft position of #3 overall. McKay, nor Blank will take chances this year, and obviously Brohm s experience in a Petrino offensive scheme has been negated.

I have performed a mock for all first round picks previous to the Falcons first selection.

Before we begin, let s holler a hearty Pig Sooey! Enjoy the mock and analysis:

Round 1:

#1 Miami Dolphins: Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU

" SAME PICK: They may try to trade down, but it s tough to do in the NFL.

" The Dolphins have a fine nucleus of offensive players in Ronnie Brown, John Beck, Ted Ginn and Lorenzo Booker (watch this guy next year). They also have bookend OTs in Vernon Carey and LJ Shelton. Prior to injury, Brown was on pace for something like 1500+ yds rushing and 700-800 yds receiving, so the offensive line can block. Much like us they lost their starting QB and were decimated by injuries. Look for the dolphins to do well offensively in their second year under Cam Cameron.

" However, their defense is atrocious and aging. They need playmakers and youthfulness to even hope to be competitive. Dorsey makes the most sense. He's the best overall collegiate defensive player in the draft. He's tough (playing with injuries now), demands double and even triple teaming, is a proven run-stopper who can also chase down the QB and/or ball carrier. This guy is flawless.

No brainer, this is the pick.

#3 NE Patriots: Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas

" SAME PICK: They may take Chris Long, but& .

" It is difficult to write this and simultaneously choke back the vomit rising in the back of my throat. What possible needs does an unstoppable juggernaut have in the draft? Particularly with the 3rd overall. Guess what they draft the best rb prospect in years, Darren McFadden. The duo of Maroney and McFadden makes the Pats completely unstoppable. Blessed with blistering speed and great hands, this kid can line up all over the place: HB, WR and even single wing QB--the world is unfair. If for some reason the Pats go defense here, which I doubt, although JAMES LAURINAITIS LB from Ohio State is a possibility due to the impending retirement and/or decline of an aging Tedy Bruschi; odds are the rich get richer and the pats grab McFadden and average 60 points a game offensively in 08.

" Additionally, while showing glimpses of brilliance, Maroney has not proven to be a game-changing running back. Both backs shared touches in college and should give the Pats yet more weapons. Can you say repeat Super Bowl Championship?

#3 Atlanta Falcons: Matt Ryan QB, Boston College 6'4" 224 lbs.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/matt_ryan.htm

" DIFFERENT PICK & DRAFT ORDER (5 to 3

" Has there ever been a tougher year to project a top 3 pick? I can t think of it. As stated before, the only way that the Falcons don't draft Brohm is if Petrino returns back to the collegiate ranks. Well guess what happened&

" Matt Ryan, right now, is the top projected QB prospect and the most NFL ready. The most NFL ready belonged to Brohm with Petrino here, but again the Falcons aren t taking risk, and go with the highest projected QB. And Ryan is most NFL ready when you look at his ability to distribute the ball to multiple wide receivers and read defense. There are 5 BC players with at least 40-70 catches and averaging between 500 and 800 yards receiving and 4 touchdowns. That s Brady-like distribution.

" Matt Ryan is special. While I think Brohm is the better technical quarterback, Ryan is a bit of a gambler and a much more charismatic leader. Ryan averaged over 45 pass attempts per game this year, and put up over 4000 yds and 28 touchdowns and completed over 60% of his passes in a very talent-deficient offense.

" Some will point out the disappoint loss to Virginia Tech in the championship game. Ryan still kept an overmatched team in the game. I point to the two comeback touchdowns that he threw in the first game. Additionally, McKay and Petrino have to establish a new face for the franchise post Vick.

" I still like Brohm as well, and I really think Petrino leaving has not hurt his rankings with the Falcons, I just believe that he was not higher ranked than Ryan at all, and that they would have reached to put Brohm into Petrino s offense.

" Keep in Mind the combine could change everything. Regardless, I m sticking w/ either Brohm or Ryan as our pick, and I m going with Ryan as of now based upon better arm strength, charisma and mobility. I d be happy with either pick.

FALCON PICKS:

Round 1: Mat Ryan QB, Boston College

" Currently ranked #1 QB by both Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock

Round 2: Michael Oher OT, Ole Miss 6'6"325

" SAME PICK

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/michael_oher.htm

" If he comes out, I think Oher is this draft's Justin Blalock. An accomplished OG and OT with athleticism and bulk. And like Blalock, a lot of teams will project him as OG so he'll slip due to prospects like Jake Long, Sam Baker, Ryan Clady, and Jeff Otah who are more the traditional NFL OT types. His slipping is our gain. We get a prospect who can start at RG, in place of Forney, if we sign Adams like I suggested and go with Weiner another year. Or he could be our RT. **** it's possible that Renardo Foster, who looked very good prior to season-ending surgery, is our starting RT. Either way he gives us bang for our bucks as he is versatile, huge and mean.

" If Oher doesn t come out, I still see us drafting a versatile OLmen in the second and making a splash in Free agency.

Round 2: Ray Rice RB, Rutgers

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/Ray-Rice.htm

" SAME PICK

" With Dunn certain to be a goner, and the coaching staff's apparent belief that Norwood is not an every down back, look for us to draft a rb. In the first round look for McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Felix Jones (if he declares) and Steve Slaton all to go before the 5'9" 200 lbs Rice. We'll snatch him early. While smallish he's powerfully built, and if you all remember Emmitt Smith was his size--he did ok, don't you think? Rice is also durable having carried the ball 335 times last year and 345 times this year. Rice also has nice hands and is very good at the goal line amassing 20 TDs each of the last year. And Petrino knows all about him, having played in the Big East. A running back tandem of Norwood and Rice would solidify the Falcons for the next four years.

" Additionally, regardless of coach, the Falcons invested large free agent dollars in run-blocking specialist, Ovie Mughelli, and expect an upgrade at the running back position to occur. Dunn is not your optimal I-formation type back.

" Stud back for nice price. Mike Hart could be other option if Rice is gone. But, regardless, both backs have exhibited the capability to carry the load at the collegiate level and should carry that ability to the professional level.

Round 3 Craig Steltz, 6 2 204 lbs SS, LSU

" ORIGINAL PICK : Jacob Tamme TE, Kentucky

" I had Tamme as the selection based upon his pass-catching ability, and Petrino s ongoing feud with starting tight end, Algae Crumpler. But Petrino is gone, and I m pretty sure Algae will be back and we have needs on both sides of the ball. Lawyer Milloy is getting long in the tooth, and could be a cap hit. Defensive Coordinator, Mike Zimmer, will love this kid.

" Despite finishing with 97 tackles and six interceptions, tops in the Southeastern Conference, recording five tackles for losses and seven pass breakups, being one of 3 finalists for the Thorpe award, Steltz will be a 3rd rounder at best thanks to his pedestrian 40 yard dash times (4.59 projected). The NFL s infatuation with measurables will be our 3rd round gain. Steltz possesses excellent quickness is great in coverage and hits hard and comes from a winning college program and is a high character prospect. Exactly the type of guys that you build a team around.

" This pick is dependent on combine 40 times. Could rise higher, or fall lower in draft.

Round 4 : Jonathan Goff ILB, Vanderbilt

http://tennessee.scout.com/a.z?s=7&p=8&c=1&nid=3066672

" SAME PICK

" One thing that GM Rich McKay excels at it is drafting excellent LBs in the rounds 4 and later. And it seems like every year someone slips and he nabs them (think Boley) Goff is 6'4 230 and runs around a 4.79--ample speed for MLB. There are some concerns about his coverage skills, but the Falcons have Boley and Nicholas and potentially DMO who are all ball hawks. This kid is a player and he's smart. What will be interesting is what the Falcons do with Keith Brooking. If Brooking stays look for Goff to play STs and be in the rotation; if Brooking is cut he could compete for a starting job.

Round 4 (Kerney compensation) : Eddie Royal WR/PR, Va Tech. 5'10" 184

" SAME PICK

" Game breaking returner, and WR who can make the big plays. However he has an injury history and with his small frame projects to a #3 wr in the NFL. Good bye current ineffective returner, Adam Jennings. Royal in the right offense, could evolve into an Az Hakim type WR (the Rams days).

Round 5: Nick Hayden DT, Wisconsin:

http://profootballexperts.scout.com/2/689340.html

SAME PICK

" At 6 5 and 301 lbs., with the frame to add 10 more pounds, Hayden is the right size for our 4-3 base defensive tackle. He also uses excellent technique and has some pass-rushing abilities. Excellent against the run and smart. Will be in the rotation immediately.

Round 6 : Brandon Coutu, K Georgia

" Those of you that have been on the boards awhile know I hate drafting Kickers, but the Morton Anderson experiment has to end. Lest any of you think we draft Art Carmody chew on this : he's only hit 2 of 5 beyond 40 yds. Morten is accurate until about 45-47, why draft in that case?

" Coutu also has a powerful leg making a long of 58 yds and can handle kickoff duties, which could save the leg of current kick-off specialist, who also doubles as the starting punter, Michael Koenen.

" Coutu is the type kicker that we lack--one that we can line up with 2 seconds from 52 yds; and he has played at a big time school so pressure is not a problem.

Round 6(Rossum) : Fernando Velasco OG/C, UGA

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10692

" SAME PICK

" At 6'3" 318 lbs Velasco is huge and can play either OG or C. Provides immediate depth to the rotation. He stout at the Point of attack and won t be bowled over by larger NFL defensive tackles. Could compete with last year s sixth round draft pick, Doug Datish and/or incumbent starter, Todd McClure for starting position or provide a very versatile backup. McClure, by the way, who is only 6 2 and 290 lbs most likely will be cut or traded to a team that runs a zone blocking offense. McClure is not a good fit in any offensive line that runs any scheme other than zone blocking.

Round 7: Breno Giacomini OT/TE

http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/giacomini_breno00.html ://http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m...i_breno00.html

" He is a 6'7" 300 lb athlete who has experience at both TE and OT. Might be more of a project than anything else. But if he sticks to the roster could prove to be a great asset from purposes of both depth and versatility. Could be very useful in 2 TE sets in red zone situations as both blocker and eligible WR.

" One last thing to note, remember when the Buffalo Bills drafted a late round tweener OT/TE, named Jason Peters a few years back? Well that tweener has evolved into one of the better OTs in the NFL. Prospects like Giacomini, who possesses size and athleticism are great late round picks as they cost nothing. Despite Petrino moving on, I, personally love this type of pick. Low risk-high reward. Gotta love it!

" This pick is definitely my wish list pick Jð

Well I apologize for the length, and hope that it is a good read. I look forward to reading your comments. Thanks in advance, Mike.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/

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Michael Salmon (12/15/2007)
Thx, Draft. Hey quick question for you: you have Huddle report, right? Where are they projecting Ellis? Is he getting hit a bit for shortness and stoutness? Or is he top 5 rated?

They have a good site.

Bump for Draft's answer concerning ellis

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Michael Salmon (12/15/2007)
Thx, Draft. Hey quick question for you: you have Huddle report, right? Where are they projecting Ellis? Is he getting hit a bit for shortness and stoutness? Or is he top 5 rated?

They have a good site.

Pretty good mock overall man. I'm not sold on Matt Ryan yet, but I am not an NFL scout / employee and I'm pretty sure they know a lot more about prospects that any of us here. BTW about Ellis, I've seen on a lot of sites that they moved him ahead of Dorsey. I also believe that he will be the #1 DT after the combine, having met him a couple of times in person he is a good guy with an amazing work ethic. He will prove it at the combine. BTW Draftnut ellis is up around 305 now.

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Michael Salmon (12/15/2007)
Thx, Draft. Hey quick question for you: you have Huddle report, right? Where are they projecting Ellis? Is he getting hit a bit for shortness and stoutness? Or is he top 5 rated?

They have a good site.

Pretty good mock overall man. I'm not sold on Matt Ryan yet, but I am not an NFL scout / employee and I'm pretty sure they know a lot more about prospects that any of us here. BTW about Ellis, I've seen on a lot of sites that they moved him ahead of Dorsey. I also believe that he will be the #1 DT after the combine, having met him a couple of times in person he is a good guy with an amazing work ethic. He will prove it at the combine. BTW Draftnut ellis is up around 305 now.

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Thx, man. I like Ryan's leadership ability and the fact that he was very competent w/ little talent around him.

Ellis is an interesting prospect. 6'1 though, right? Seems high, but youre right I'm no scout so we'll have to see.

I think we need a young QB, but would I really argue if we went OL or DL, **** no. At least we are committed to rebuilding w/ youth

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grendel (12/15/2007)
I don't give a crap what scouts and draft writers say. I've seen Matt Ryan play and he's not worth a first round pick, much less a top 5. His numbers don't show a consistent performer, and watching his play shows the same.

Make that a big **** NO.

I've watched him and disagree with you. I think he is a great distributor of the ball and puts up excellent numbers, plus makes his team better. And its not exactly like BC is dripping with talent. So forget the scouts, the kid is good.

I'm flipping btwn. Brohm and Ryan still, but Ryan seems a bit better.

Let me guess: You think Colt Brennan is the one, right?

YOur opinion.

Thx i guesss for the comment.

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The only pick I really don't like is Ray Rice. we really don't need another small runningback. We need more thunder to Norwood s lightning. we need someone who will allow Norwood to change the pace.

I m not crazy about Craig Steltz. I don't hate the pick and you validate it well I m just not sold on SS being a position of need. Milloy still has at least 1 more year left. in fact i think this might be his best year here. and with Crocker (who I ve always thought was more of a SS) Stone(who I think could develop into a nice player) and possibly even Jimmy Williams (I m not convinced he wouldn't be better at SS) I don't think I d address that position that early.

nice draft though

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grendel (12/15/2007)
I don't give a crap what scouts and draft writers say. I've seen Matt Ryan play and he's not worth a first round pick, much less a top 5. His numbers don't show a consistent performer, and watching his play shows the same.

Make that a big **** NO.

I've watched him and disagree with you. I think he is a great distributor of the ball and puts up excellent numbers, plus makes his team better. And its not exactly like BC is dripping with talent. So forget the scouts, the kid is good.

I'm flipping btwn. Brohm and Ryan still, but Ryan seems a bit better.

Let me guess: You think Colt Brennan is the one, right?

YOur opinion.

Thx i guesss for the comment.

Did you see him play against VT? Whenever the defense starts getting pressure on him he looks horrible and starts turning the ball over.

Which game? One game he looked **** good. The other well he still put up some numbers, but got handled. Doesn't have much of a supporting staff do yo agree?

No, I think Brennan is the biggest joke in the draft. Everyone in TATF thinks he's going to be the next Marino, and they're going to be sadly mistaken, IMO. I like Brohm the best, but I'm not sure he's a good value at #2-5 overall. I also like Flacco and Johnson in the mid rounds (2-4) and Paul Smith from Tulsa in the 6th or 7th. I'll defer to jidady on liking Henne, even though I think he'll just be a journeyman. Once we start to get reports on the beginning of Dixon's rehab, I might like him in the 3rd or 4th.

I agree with you on Brennan--way overrated on this board and elsewhere. Barring him blowing up UGA, my opiinion remains unchanged. I like both Brohm and Ryan. Brohm however is a shotgun and definitely "system" guy--not sure who's better but I like both.

Flacco would be a nice 2nd round choice if we went another route (mcfadden..etc..) but he's more of a risk/project than either Ryan or Brohm. Both Smith and Henne or journeymen at best. And I don't think Dixon is an NFL QB.

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Hey, Moe. Thanks for the input.

moe szyslak (12/16/2007)
The only pick I really don't like is Ray Rice. we really don't need another small runningback. We need more thunder to Norwood s lightning. we need someone who will allow Norwood to change the pace.

--I thought about his size, but ive been watching the kid and he's really got a lot of power to his game. He's one of those low center of gravity, heavy thighed plowers. Kinda Joe Morris, or even emmit smith like. Of course I could be wrong---won't be first time.

I m not crazy about Craig Steltz. I don't hate the pick and you validate it well I m just not sold on SS being a position of need. Milloy still has at least 1 more year left. in fact i think this might be his best year here. and with Crocker (who I ve always thought was more of a SS) Stone(who I think could develop into a nice player) and possibly even Jimmy Williams (I m not convinced he wouldn't be better at SS) I don't think I d address that position that early.

--Steltz is just one of those guys that produces. I think Stone could develop into a nice FS with his athleticism. JWill is a mystery. i don't know what is going on there. I have to agree w/ you that i'm not absolutely convinced we go that early on S. But Steltz at this point would probably qualify as BPA in a need spot (STs at least)

nice draft though

Thanks for the great input

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Dang, only one Right!!!!

Revised Mock Draft 1.1: Life After Pigtrino

It s really too soon after head coach s, Bobby Petrino s untimely exit to be guessing at the Atlanta Falcons up-coming draft picks. But, as a fan, you almost feel compelled to churn out an up-dated Post-Petrino mock draft. Very much like demonic possession, one finds themselves eerily tapping away on the keyboard, and looking up early 2008 NFL draft projects for the horrid Falcons.

Creepy, but true.

CURRENT NEWS:

Veteran NFL coach and Hall of Fame candidate Emmitt Thomas was selected as the Falcons interim head coach Wednesday after the abrupt resignation of Bobby Petrino. Thomas has been a member of the Falcons coaching staff since 2002.

-Provided courtesy of Atlanta Falcons official website

FREE AGENCY

I still stand by my original statement that the Falcons will be extremely active in the upcoming off-season. General Manager, Rich McKay, particularly after both the Vick and Petrino debacles has to produce at the least a competitive team. Hard to fault Blank who has supported McKay s decisions regarding the hiring of both Jim Mora, Bobby Petrino, extended the contract of ex-quarterback, Michael Vick and in general been fiscally supportive of McKay s free agent (FA) pursuits many of which have been busts. As former owner of Home Depot, one has to believe that Blank wants a return on his investment sooner rather than later. And has grown impatient as well.

My first 08 prediction is if the Falcons finish less than 8-8, McKay will be fired.

However, depending on which coach they hire, he may be gone before the draft. If Blank can lure a hall of fame coach like Bill Cowher, Bill Parcells or Marty Schottenheimer to Atlanta, then it s safe to say that he ll fire McKay and hire a personnel guy to run the show.

McKay s work is cut out for him.

There are a lot of holes on this roster. Quarterback, running back, offensive line and the safety position all have aging or ineffective players. Personally, I think McKay uses free agency to immediately infuse the offensive line with size and ability. Offensive tackles (OT) are expensive, but I highly doubt that McKay or the next coach has any desire to enter next season without a solid and large veteran OT on next years squad after this years dismal offensive output.

My money is still on us targeting one of two FA OTs: Flozell Adams, OT Dallas Cowboys and Max Starks, OT, Pittsburgh Steelers. Personally I think Flozell is our pick. He's 32, already an established and dominant veteran and will be an unrestricted free agent (UFA) and he will be seeking a big payday. In my opinion the cowboys let him walk as they have Pat McQuiston and Doug Free waiting in the wings. Both are younger, cheaper and have high ceilings. Additionally you could see the Cowboys moving Leonard Davis, who's finally living up to his original high draft status, over to LT. And lastly the Cowboys have an extra mid-first round pick obtained from the Cleveland Browns in the Brady Quinn deal, and this upcoming draft has a deep and talented pool of offensive linemen.

Both Adams and Starks are huge (6'7" and 340 and 6'8" 340 respectively), which definitely fits the mold of the type of OLmen that Petrino wants. Starks is only 25, whereas Adams is 32, so age will certainly factor in the falcons decision. I can almost hear you all muttering under your breath as you read this article, No way we pick Adams over Starks. Starks is huge, young and possibly cheaper. You, m.e., are truly an idiot! But, please, halt the mob, put down the pitchforks and let me explain why Adams is the better FA acquisition for the Falcons:

1. Flozell is a proven commodity; Starks is not. Look at Romo's numbers ****, look at the Cowboys offensive output in general. I rest my case.

2. Starks is much younger at 25, but he can't even beat out Willie Colon, a second year man from Hofstra. I don't think McKay dare chances signing a potential FA bust after the last couple of years of Falcon mediocrity and drama.

3. Adams is 32, and probably has 3-5 years at least of good football ahead of him. That will allow us the luxury of developing young talent behind him, and not feeding a draft pick to the wolves and hoping they can protect a rookie or FA quarterback.

4. It's a much easier transition from college to the NFL at the OG position. I think Forney is gone at RG, but I disagree with other posters that think Alan Faneca will be our priority FA target. I think we will draft Forney's replacement, and plug him like we did Blalock.

And, yes, I know some rookie left OTs start and excel right away, but plenty do not. Todd Mandarich comes to mind. Don t remember him? How about Robert Gallery, the former number 2 overall pick for the Oakland Raiders? He was thrown to the wolves on a bad team, as their starting left tackle. Gallery now is an extremely over-drafted and overpaid guard.

Another position I think that we look to fill via FA is the Safety position. Dallas Cowboy Ken Hamlin will be an UFA. The cowboys probably will try to sign him long term, but at 26 and one of the best FSs available, Hamlin may shop himself to the highest bidder, however, he may be to pricey for the Falcons. But he could be a possibility as he has struggled in coverage at times and again the Cowboys have a lot of draft picks. On the coverage struggle issues, I think that isn t a determent for the Falcons, as defensive coordinator, Mike Zimmer, plays a lot of man coverage with the cornerbacks and this would allow Hamlin to be an enforcer for receivers going across the middle, and an extra linebacker when we put 8 in the box to stop the run.

Another intriguing FA would be the Pats FS/CB Randall Gay. He has been a versatile player for the Patriots making starts at both FS and CB as needed. A former UDFA, G ay may be looking to cash in and the Patriots may let him walk, as they have a great history of developing FAs. G ay would be an improvement over Crocker IMO and if Darren Stone may be ready to step into the SS position next year providing an enforcer type athlete in the secondary.

Hamlin is my preference, but I also like Gay a lot. Rather, I like the type of player that Gay is; he s hardnosed, team oriented, and versatile. Injuries happen and the flexibility to move players around is a great commodity for any team.

One thing is certain. We have a lot of holes and we could use about 15 draft picks to fill them all. Unfortunately a salary cap exists and we can only sign so many picks and free agents. So in this mock, I orchestrated an immediate triage to get the Falcons to at least a competitive level by focusing on versatility. Specifically I intentionally used the ability to play multiple positions as discerning criteria for my OL choices. All can play multiple positions along the OL, and at the very least all should provide much needed size and depth.

For my initial mock, I introduce no trades at all and assume that we receive a 4th round compensatory pick for recently departed, FA Patrick Kerney (might even by a 3rd round pick). Another assumption I am positing is that NE Patriots will be picking 2nd overall (via San Fran). If my assumptions particularly the initial draft order is off, then this mock will need revising. Here are our projected picks:

Round 1

Round 2

Round 2(From Houston)

Round 3

Round 4

Round 4(Kerney)

Round 5

Round 6

Round 6(Rossum)

Round 7

It's important to point out that it's way too early to do a completely credible mock, as many of these players will rise and fall based upon combine results and team needs. So I simply drafted in areas that I felt that we were weakest at.

NEW HEAD COACH CANDIDATES & DRAFT/FREE AGENCY EFFECT

Very little.

Few things have changed post-Petrino, as we still have gaping holes on either side of the ball. I do think that we won t hire a gimmick offensive coach. So don t expect the run and shoot offense to appear in Atlanta. I also think that the next coach may well be a veteran coach like Cowher or Schottenheimer. If the next coach is a coordinator, he ll be Blank s choice not McKay s.

The same holds true with my Free Agent projections. We have holes, regardless of new coach.

The only current coordinators that I feel have a chance at the job would be Mike Singletary, Asst. Coach of the San Francisco 49ers, and Josh McDaniels, offensive coordinator of the New England Patriots. Note I said that have a chance. Truthfully, I m not positive that the chance actually exists. While I know Blank supposedly loved Singletary and wanted to hire him in place of Petrino, yet ceded to the wishes of McKay, you have to wonder if that was the whole story. Singletary is truly a respected NFL man, both as a player and a coach, but has his presence in San Fran really produced great results?

To put it in perspective for you, the 49ers finished 26th in total team defense last year. This year they drafted potential rookie of the year, linebacker Patrick Willis, signed big-time cornerback, Nate Clements to a huge contract, and added stud, safety free agent, Michael Lewis, to their defense. Guess what their ranking is? The 49ers are 22nd overall in team defense and give up over 24 points per game.

Guess who is in charge of the defense? You got it. Mr. Singletary. Now one could argue that they actually moved up 4 spots in the ranking. I argue that they should have with the talent drafted and the quality of free agents. Last year s squad gave up almost 26 points a game. Again one could argue that was an improvement. Again I argue, with the type of draft and free agent signings that had a better improvement should have occurred.

Is it Singletary s fault? Not all of it, I m sure. But is he some genius coach in the making? I m not convinced that he is at least yet. As a linebackers coach, sure. As a head coach, not yet. I further support this argument by the 3-10 record the 49ers currently have. Yeah, I know the head coach is always at fault. But you gotta believe that he listens to his assistant.

McDaniels is certainly brilliant as a coordinator, as evidenced by the Patriots explosive offense. But I m not so sure that he would even want our mess for his first time head coaching positions. And I m fairly certain that Blank is about burnt out on high-risk/potentially low reward former coordinators and college coaches as the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.

I see experience real NFL head coaching experience being the next hire. Additionally, I see real NFL success wins and losses as head coach success being the key parameter for the next hire. One last name to throw in the list might be former head coach, Dan Reeves. During his time under Blank, the two clashed, but Blank is a businessman and Reeves is a proven winner. It was Reeves who took the Falcons to their only super bowl.

So what was the whole point to this section, you rightfully ask? Simple, regardless of coach we will draft and sign free agents to fill holes and we ll try to draft playmakers when possible.

Our offensive line is tiny, old and ravaged by injury. All forementioned job candidates have teams that have huge offensive lines, not a roster filled with anorexic smurfs that exel in our former zone-blocking scheme. I still stand by my earlier predictions of free agent targets.

All of the above mentioned candidates have or either had punishing running backs that can carry every down. Note I didn t necessarily say Jerome Bettis-type backs. What I said is every down type running backs. I think the consensus on Jerious Norwood is that he is comparable to Eric Metcalfe or Reggie Bush. Best utilized by fewer and varied types of touches that utilize his speed. Norwood will be a big part of our team, but will see a new backfield partner, as Warrick Dunn is most likely done posing as a full-time back. Under the new regime he ll either be cut, reduced to utility (Kevin Faulk-type) or retire.

Lastly, we need a quarterback regardless of which coach we hire. This may be the only real need that has mutated. Originally I had Brian Brohm as our first pick, and he still could be, but depending on combine results that could change. I m changing the pick now, based upon experts rankings, which I think will factor heavily in our selection at our projected draft position of #3 overall. McKay, nor Blank will take chances this year, and obviously Brohm s experience in a Petrino offensive scheme has been negated.

I have performed a mock for all first round picks previous to the Falcons first selection.

Before we begin, let s holler a hearty Pig Sooey! Enjoy the mock and analysis:

Round 1:

#1 Miami Dolphins: Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU

" SAME PICK: They may try to trade down, but it s tough to do in the NFL.

" The Dolphins have a fine nucleus of offensive players in Ronnie Brown, John Beck, Ted Ginn and Lorenzo Booker (watch this guy next year). They also have bookend OTs in Vernon Carey and LJ Shelton. Prior to injury, Brown was on pace for something like 1500+ yds rushing and 700-800 yds receiving, so the offensive line can block. Much like us they lost their starting QB and were decimated by injuries. Look for the dolphins to do well offensively in their second year under Cam Cameron.

" However, their defense is atrocious and aging. They need playmakers and youthfulness to even hope to be competitive. Dorsey makes the most sense. He's the best overall collegiate defensive player in the draft. He's tough (playing with injuries now), demands double and even triple teaming, is a proven run-stopper who can also chase down the QB and/or ball carrier. This guy is flawless.

No brainer, this is the pick.

#3 NE Patriots: Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas

" SAME PICK: They may take Chris Long, but& .

" It is difficult to write this and simultaneously choke back the vomit rising in the back of my throat. What possible needs does an unstoppable juggernaut have in the draft? Particularly with the 3rd overall. Guess what they draft the best rb prospect in years, Darren McFadden. The duo of Maroney and McFadden makes the Pats completely unstoppable. Blessed with blistering speed and great hands, this kid can line up all over the place: HB, WR and even single wing QB--the world is unfair. If for some reason the Pats go defense here, which I doubt, although JAMES LAURINAITIS LB from Ohio State is a possibility due to the impending retirement and/or decline of an aging Tedy Bruschi; odds are the rich get richer and the pats grab McFadden and average 60 points a game offensively in 08.

" Additionally, while showing glimpses of brilliance, Maroney has not proven to be a game-changing running back. Both backs shared touches in college and should give the Pats yet more weapons. Can you say repeat Super Bowl Championship?

#3 Atlanta Falcons: Matt Ryan QB, Boston College 6'4" 224 lbs.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/matt_ryan.htm

" DIFFERENT PICK & DRAFT ORDER (5 to 3

" Has there ever been a tougher year to project a top 3 pick? I can t think of it. As stated before, the only way that the Falcons don't draft Brohm is if Petrino returns back to the collegiate ranks. Well guess what happened&

" Matt Ryan, right now, is the top projected QB prospect and the most NFL ready. The most NFL ready belonged to Brohm with Petrino here, but again the Falcons aren t taking risk, and go with the highest projected QB. And Ryan is most NFL ready when you look at his ability to distribute the ball to multiple wide receivers and read defense. There are 5 BC players with at least 40-70 catches and averaging between 500 and 800 yards receiving and 4 touchdowns. That s Brady-like distribution.

" Matt Ryan is special. While I think Brohm is the better technical quarterback, Ryan is a bit of a gambler and a much more charismatic leader. Ryan averaged over 45 pass attempts per game this year, and put up over 4000 yds and 28 touchdowns and completed over 60% of his passes in a very talent-deficient offense.

" Some will point out the disappoint loss to Virginia Tech in the championship game. Ryan still kept an overmatched team in the game. I point to the two comeback touchdowns that he threw in the first game. Additionally, McKay and Petrino have to establish a new face for the franchise post Vick.

" I still like Brohm as well, and I really think Petrino leaving has not hurt his rankings with the Falcons, I just believe that he was not higher ranked than Ryan at all, and that they would have reached to put Brohm into Petrino s offense.

" Keep in Mind the combine could change everything. Regardless, I m sticking w/ either Brohm or Ryan as our pick, and I m going with Ryan as of now based upon better arm strength, charisma and mobility. I d be happy with either pick.

FALCON PICKS:

Round 1: Mat Ryan QB, Boston College

" Currently ranked #1 QB by both Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock

Round 2: Michael Oher OT, Ole Miss 6'6"325

" SAME PICK

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/michael_oher.htm

" If he comes out, I think Oher is this draft's Justin Blalock. An accomplished OG and OT with athleticism and bulk. And like Blalock, a lot of teams will project him as OG so he'll slip due to prospects like Jake Long, Sam Baker, Ryan Clady, and Jeff Otah who are more the traditional NFL OT types. His slipping is our gain. We get a prospect who can start at RG, in place of Forney, if we sign Adams like I suggested and go with Weiner another year. Or he could be our RT. **** it's possible that Renardo Foster, who looked very good prior to season-ending surgery, is our starting RT. Either way he gives us bang for our bucks as he is versatile, huge and mean.

" If Oher doesn t come out, I still see us drafting a versatile OLmen in the second and making a splash in Free agency.

Round 2: Ray Rice RB, Rutgers

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_draft/Ray-Rice.htm

" SAME PICK

" With Dunn certain to be a goner, and the coaching staff's apparent belief that Norwood is not an every down back, look for us to draft a rb. In the first round look for McFadden, Jonathan Stewart, Felix Jones (if he declares) and Steve Slaton all to go before the 5'9" 200 lbs Rice. We'll snatch him early. While smallish he's powerfully built, and if you all remember Emmitt Smith was his size--he did ok, don't you think? Rice is also durable having carried the ball 335 times last year and 345 times this year. Rice also has nice hands and is very good at the goal line amassing 20 TDs each of the last year. And Petrino knows all about him, having played in the Big East. A running back tandem of Norwood and Rice would solidify the Falcons for the next four years.

" Additionally, regardless of coach, the Falcons invested large free agent dollars in run-blocking specialist, Ovie Mughelli, and expect an upgrade at the running back position to occur. Dunn is not your optimal I-formation type back.

" Stud back for nice price. Mike Hart could be other option if Rice is gone. But, regardless, both backs have exhibited the capability to carry the load at the collegiate level and should carry that ability to the professional level.

Round 3 Craig Steltz, 6 2 204 lbs SS, LSU

" ORIGINAL PICK : Jacob Tamme TE, Kentucky

" I had Tamme as the selection based upon his pass-catching ability, and Petrino s ongoing feud with starting tight end, Algae Crumpler. But Petrino is gone, and I m pretty sure Algae will be back and we have needs on both sides of the ball. Lawyer Milloy is getting long in the tooth, and could be a cap hit. Defensive Coordinator, Mike Zimmer, will love this kid.

" Despite finishing with 97 tackles and six interceptions, tops in the Southeastern Conference, recording five tackles for losses and seven pass breakups, being one of 3 finalists for the Thorpe award, Steltz will be a 3rd rounder at best thanks to his pedestrian 40 yard dash times (4.59 projected). The NFL s infatuation with measurables will be our 3rd round gain. Steltz possesses excellent quickness is great in coverage and hits hard and comes from a winning college program and is a high character prospect. Exactly the type of guys that you build a team around.

" This pick is dependent on combine 40 times. Could rise higher, or fall lower in draft.

Round 4 : Jonathan Goff ILB, Vanderbilt

http://tennessee.scout.com/a.z?s=7&p=8&c=1&nid=3066672

" SAME PICK

" One thing that GM Rich McKay excels at it is drafting excellent LBs in the rounds 4 and later. And it seems like every year someone slips and he nabs them (think Boley) Goff is 6'4 230 and runs around a 4.79--ample speed for MLB. There are some concerns about his coverage skills, but the Falcons have Boley and Nicholas and potentially DMO who are all ball hawks. This kid is a player and he's smart. What will be interesting is what the Falcons do with Keith Brooking. If Brooking stays look for Goff to play STs and be in the rotation; if Brooking is cut he could compete for a starting job.

Round 4 (Kerney compensation) : Eddie Royal WR/PR, Va Tech. 5'10" 184

" SAME PICK

" Game breaking returner, and WR who can make the big plays. However he has an injury history and with his small frame projects to a #3 wr in the NFL. Good bye current ineffective returner, Adam Jennings. Royal in the right offense, could evolve into an Az Hakim type WR (the Rams days).

Round 5: Nick Hayden DT, Wisconsin:

http://profootballexperts.scout.com/2/689340.html

SAME PICK

" At 6 5 and 301 lbs., with the frame to add 10 more pounds, Hayden is the right size for our 4-3 base defensive tackle. He also uses excellent technique and has some pass-rushing abilities. Excellent against the run and smart. Will be in the rotation immediately.

Round 6 : Brandon Coutu, K Georgia

" Those of you that have been on the boards awhile know I hate drafting Kickers, but the Morton Anderson experiment has to end. Lest any of you think we draft Art Carmody chew on this : he's only hit 2 of 5 beyond 40 yds. Morten is accurate until about 45-47, why draft in that case?

" Coutu also has a powerful leg making a long of 58 yds and can handle kickoff duties, which could save the leg of current kick-off specialist, who also doubles as the starting punter, Michael Koenen.

" Coutu is the type kicker that we lack--one that we can line up with 2 seconds from 52 yds; and he has played at a big time school so pressure is not a problem.

Round 6(Rossum) : Fernando Velasco OG/C, UGA

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10692

" SAME PICK

" At 6'3" 318 lbs Velasco is huge and can play either OG or C. Provides immediate depth to the rotation. He stout at the Point of attack and won t be bowled over by larger NFL defensive tackles. Could compete with last year s sixth round draft pick, Doug Datish and/or incumbent starter, Todd McClure for starting position or provide a very versatile backup. McClure, by the way, who is only 6 2 and 290 lbs most likely will be cut or traded to a team that runs a zone blocking offense. McClure is not a good fit in any offensive line that runs any scheme other than zone blocking.

Round 7: Breno Giacomini OT/TE

http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/giacomini_breno00.html ://http://uoflsports.cstv.com/sports/m...i_breno00.html

" He is a 6'7" 300 lb athlete who has experience at both TE and OT. Might be more of a project than anything else. But if he sticks to the roster could prove to be a great asset from purposes of both depth and versatility. Could be very useful in 2 TE sets in red zone situations as both blocker and eligible WR.

" One last thing to note, remember when the Buffalo Bills drafted a late round tweener OT/TE, named Jason Peters a few years back? Well that tweener has evolved into one of the better OTs in the NFL. Prospects like Giacomini, who possesses size and athleticism are great late round picks as they cost nothing. Despite Petrino moving on, I, personally love this type of pick. Low risk-high reward. Gotta love it!

" This pick is definitely my wish list pick Jð

Well I apologize for the length, and hope that it is a good read. I look forward to reading your comments. Thanks in advance, Mike.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/

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**** girl! Nasty draft! Imagine this O:

Matt Ryan

Ovie Mughelli

Michael Turner, Ray Rice

Tony Gonzalez

Roddy White, Eddie Royal, Michael Jenkins

Sam Baker, Justin Blalock, Todd McClure, Tyson Clabo, Michael Oher

I think I just jizzed.

Sam Baker and Michael Oher were included in the same draft in Salmons MOck, Oher was going to come out early. Get it right Dukie.

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**** girl! Nasty draft! Imagine this O:

Matt Ryan

Ovie Mughelli

Michael Turner, Ray Rice

Tony Gonzalez

Roddy White, Eddie Royal, Michael Jenkins

Sam Baker, Justin Blalock, Todd McClure, Tyson Clabo, Michael Oher

I think I just jizzed.

but then we miss out on Lofton, Baker, DeCoud, Bierman and Douglas.

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