Superfan ! Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 THEY DON'T NEED the FREAKIN' MONEY, THAT'S WHY!!! Those guys are very wealthy, so if they don't need the money, why the **** would they want to come to Atlanta? For the challenge? Because they feel sorry for us? For some warm weather? For some Georgia peaches? **** no. Those guys got nothing left to prove, except maybe for Marty who never won the big one, but why would he want to try and get that done with THIS train wreck?Our next HC will come out of the pro ranks and is currently coaching, although not as a HC. And as I said in an earlier thread, I am convinced he will be a black man and a great hire.Guess who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownorg Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 I'd be fine With Singletary, Provided Cowher & Marty do Not take the job.I prefer Prior HC experience before taking another Rookie HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psing8 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Superfan "! (12/12/2007)Our next HC will come out of the pro ranks and is currently coaching, although not as a HC. And as I said in an earlier thread, I am convinced he will be a black man and a great hire.Guess who?bring em home mckay!NOW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dday Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Gotta agree with ya SF, I'm all about #50!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavalcade_of_whimsey Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 Superfan "! (12/12/2007)THEY DON'T NEED the FREAKIN' MONEY, THAT'S WHY!!! Those guys are very wealthy, so if they don't need the money, why the **** would they want to come to Atlanta? For the challenge? Because they feel sorry for us? For some warm weather? For some Georgia peaches? **** no. Those guys got nothing left to prove, except maybe for Marty who never won the big one, but why would he want to try and get that done with THIS train wreck?Our next HC will come out of the pro ranks and is currently coaching, although not as a HC. And as I said in an earlier thread, I am convinced he will be a black man and a great hire.Guess who?Petrino didn't need the money, he was a rich man from the brand spankin' new Louisville contract he had signed. Money is one part of it and big numbers tend to lure big names but HCs are always out to prove something, to themselves or the world. Sometimes all it takes to lure a big name is to give them extra control, like Parcells, sometimes they have been out of the game for a year or two, and miss it so much they'll take the first reasonably good option.ATL is a good lure for anybody looking for a long haul team simply because our veteran presence is minimal right now (although we DO have considerable young talent), our cap space is reasonable (should be a **** of a lot bigger but blame the ******** cap rules for that), and we have 9-10 picks in next years draft with maybe 4 or 5 on the first day!A coach could turn the Falcons into whatever they want with that amount of flexibility in under 2 years.That being said I think Singletary is the frontrunner, I just dont think you can count anything out yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Kwartler Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 If we are going to have a rookie head coach who was an outstanding linebacker -- why not someone familiar with the franchise?Jesse Tuggle for head coach!!Bring him home McKay!!--BK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btrain5489 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 cavalcade_of_whimsey (12/12/2007)Superfan "! (12/12/2007)THEY DON'T NEED the FREAKIN' MONEY, THAT'S WHY!!! Those guys are very wealthy, so if they don't need the money, why the **** would they want to come to Atlanta? For the challenge? Because they feel sorry for us? For some warm weather? For some Georgia peaches? **** no. Those guys got nothing left to prove, except maybe for Marty who never won the big one, but why would he want to try and get that done with THIS train wreck?Our next HC will come out of the pro ranks and is currently coaching, although not as a HC. And as I said in an earlier thread, I am convinced he will be a black man and a great hire.Guess who?Petrino didn't need the money, he was a rich man from the brand spankin' new Louisville contract he had signed. Money is one part of it and big numbers tend to lure big names but HCs are always out to prove something, to themselves or the world. Sometimes all it takes to lure a big name is to give them extra control, like Parcells, sometimes they have been out of the game for a year or two, and miss it so much they'll take the first reasonably good option.ATL is a good lure for anybody looking for a long haul team simply because our veteran presence is minimal right now (although we DO have considerable young talent), our cap space is reasonable (should be a **** of a lot bigger but blame the ******** cap rules for that), and we have 9-10 picks in next years draft with maybe 4 or 5 on the first day!A coach could turn the Falcons into whatever they want with that amount of flexibility in under 2 years.That being said I think Singletary is the frontrunner, I just dont think you can count anything out yet.You're fooling yourself if you think Atlanta is an attractive job. A smaller market team with a weak fanbase, a team in shambles, an ineffective GM, being the fourth coach in five years, and an owner that sticks his nose in everything. What about that is tempting?AB is going to have to dig DEEP into his pockets to convince some poor soul to come to Atlanta. Atlanta isn't a 1-2 season project...its 3-4 and I don't see AB having that kind of patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busboyisback Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 btrain5489 (12/12/2007)You're fooling yourself if you think Atlanta is an attractive job. A smaller market team with a weak fanbase, a team in shambles, an ineffective GM, being the fourth coach in five years, and an owner that sticks his nose in everything. What about that is tempting?AB is going to have to dig DEEP into his pockets to convince some poor soul to come to Atlanta. Atlanta isn't a 1-2 season project...its 3-4 and I don't see AB having that kind of patience.With the parity in this league and especially in this division?Couldn't be further from the truth.This is the division where you can go from worst to first.**** it's been a trend ever since the division began, now you're saying there is no chance in **** this team could be turned around?Please we are a few pieces away and have a helluva lot of good picks to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btrain5489 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 busboyisback (12/12/2007)btrain5489 (12/12/2007)You're fooling yourself if you think Atlanta is an attractive job. A smaller market team with a weak fanbase, a team in shambles, an ineffective GM, being the fourth coach in five years, and an owner that sticks his nose in everything. What about that is tempting?AB is going to have to dig DEEP into his pockets to convince some poor soul to come to Atlanta. Atlanta isn't a 1-2 season project...its 3-4 and I don't see AB having that kind of patience.With the parity in this league and especially in this division?Couldn't be further from the truth.This is the division where you can go from worst to first.**** it's been a trend ever since the division began, now you're saying there is no chance in **** this team could be turned around?Please we are a few pieces away and have a helluva lot of good picks to do itOffensively this team is busted up front, busted at the receiver positions (Roddy is playing well this season but I dont know that he's a true 1 yet. Crump is on the decline.) Busted at RB (Dunn is done and we don't know what we have from Norwood because he has never had a real shot.) We're busted at QB, clearly. Did I forget anything?Defensively we're getting older, our younger players that have gotten a real shot are only so so or just flat out bad and beyond all that our defense is only so so. Middle of the pack, not great, not terrible.Abe won't be here forever, D-Hall may be gone, Rod doesn't have forever, Milloy doesn't have forever, Brooking doesn't have forever, if Boley decides to test free agency HE might not be back... there are just so many holes on this team and the fact that between money and a better shot at a ring our good pieces (Hall and Boley) could be pulled away this team isn't going to go from worst to first in the next two seasons. Don't buy the "I want to be here for the long run" you hear from players. It means "I want to be here for the long run provided that you pay me well." Finally, one of the biggest problems with this organization STILL HAS A JOB. When Rich McKay isn't pulling the strings at flowery branch then we can talk about worst to first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavalcade_of_whimsey Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 btrain5489 (12/12/2007)You're fooling yourself if you think Atlanta is an attractive job. A smaller market team with a weak fanbase, a team in shambles, an ineffective GM, being the fourth coach in five years, and an owner that sticks his nose in everything. What about that is tempting?AB is going to have to dig DEEP into his pockets to convince some poor soul to come to Atlanta. Atlanta isn't a 1-2 season project...its 3-4 and I don't see AB having that kind of patience.You know how many HC jobs there are in the NFL? 32. Know how many people want one of those jobs? The vast majority of coaches out there. Maybe Parcells, Cowher, and Schotty don't want to come to ATL, but that's not because nobody can win here and we're beyond salvation, its because of personal reasons.If losing teams had problems attracting new HCs, there'd never be any new coaches hired because outside of the Chargers, nobody hands the reigns of a over .500 team to some new guy.Your pessimism ignores logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btrain5489 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 cavalcade_of_whimsey (12/12/2007)btrain5489 (12/12/2007)You're fooling yourself if you think Atlanta is an attractive job. A smaller market team with a weak fanbase, a team in shambles, an ineffective GM, being the fourth coach in five years, and an owner that sticks his nose in everything. What about that is tempting?AB is going to have to dig DEEP into his pockets to convince some poor soul to come to Atlanta. Atlanta isn't a 1-2 season project...its 3-4 and I don't see AB having that kind of patience.You know how many HC jobs there are in the NFL? 32. Know how many people want one of those jobs? The vast majority of coaches out there. Maybe Parcells, Cowher, and Schotty don't want to come to ATL, but that's not because nobody can win here and we're beyond salvation, its because of personal reasons.If losing teams had problems attracting new HCs, there'd never be any new coaches hired because outside of the Chargers, nobody hands the reigns of a over .500 team to some new guy.Your pessimism ignores logic.And I bet you would have called me stupid for thinking Petrino wouldn't hang around too...We will definitely get a new HC, no problem there but it won't be Cowher, Parcells, or any other coach with an extraordinary resume. Atlanta has no history, Atlanta has no allure to bring a guy in. There is no prestige in saying I'm the coach of the for Atlanta. The only thing those guys could do to their legacy in coming to Atlanta is hurt them. Your homerism ignores logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavalcade_of_whimsey Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 btrain5489 (12/12/2007)And I bet you would have called me stupid for thinking Petrino wouldn't hang around too...We will definitely get a new HC, no problem there but it won't be Cowher, Parcells, or any other coach with an extraordinary resume. Atlanta has no history, Atlanta has no allure to bring a guy in. There is no prestige in saying I'm the coach of the for Atlanta. The only thing those guys could do to their legacy in coming to Atlanta is hurt them. Your homerism ignores logic.I tire of arguing with people that would rather cry in their pillow at night then think of legitimate chances our team has. You can guess likelihoods and percentages of one thing happening or another, but you can not tell me with any real certainty that these people absolutely do not want the job.Unless you're Cowher himself, in which case, why are you posting on the ATL MBs? We got a new HC job if you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superfan ! Posted December 12, 2007 Author Share Posted December 12, 2007 Man, I just love to start a big argument and then leave the thread! lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btrain5489 Posted December 12, 2007 Share Posted December 12, 2007 cavalcade_of_whimsey (12/12/2007)btrain5489 (12/12/2007)And I bet you would have called me stupid for thinking Petrino wouldn't hang around too...We will definitely get a new HC, no problem there but it won't be Cowher, Parcells, or any other coach with an extraordinary resume. Atlanta has no history, Atlanta has no allure to bring a guy in. There is no prestige in saying I'm the coach of the for Atlanta. The only thing those guys could do to their legacy in coming to Atlanta is hurt them. Your homerism ignores logic.I tire of arguing with people that would rather cry in their pillow at night then think of legitimate chances our team has. You can guess likelihoods and percentages of one thing happening or another, but you can not tell me with any real certainty that these people absolutely do not want the job.Unless you're Cowher himself, in which case, why are you posting on the ATL MBs? We got a new HC job if you want it.We'll see..or rather you'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SetzerFalcon Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Superfan "! (12/12/2007)THEY DON'T NEED the FREAKIN' MONEY, THAT'S WHY!!! Those guys are very wealthy, so if they don't need the money, why the **** would they want to come to Atlanta? For the challenge? Because they feel sorry for us? For some warm weather? For some Georgia peaches? **** no. Those guys got nothing left to prove, except maybe for Marty who never won the big one, but why would he want to try and get that done with THIS train wreck?Our next HC will come out of the pro ranks and is currently coaching, although not as a HC. And as I said in an earlier thread, I am convinced he will be a black man and a great hire.Guess who?You know, I'm not convinced that Coach Singletary is what we need right now, but they were talking to Mortensen on ESPNEWS just now and he brought up something I thought was very interesting:In 1996 a young GM named Rich McKay extended offers to several big name, high power coaches to come to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a team in total disarray that no one wanted to coach. He offered these coaches basically whatever they wanted -- even if it meant becoming a puppet GM. They all declined. Finally, Mr. McKay offered the job to a brilliant defensive mind by the name of Tony Dungy.Suddenly the loathsome, woesome team that NO ONE in their right mind would coach became a force to be reckoned with, even though Coach Dungy never managed to win a Super Bowl while there. Any of this sound familiar? Can lightning strike twice? Could Coach Singletary right the sinking ship that is the Atlanta Falcons? I don't know. But I **** sure wouldn't mind finding out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathFromAbove Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 He is just not ready...I was very much for hiring Lovie Smith after 03 because I thought he would do a super job. Whereas hiring a black HC who is not ready would only polarize this board, and overall fanbase even more then it is. Any criticism directed at him would have the usual suspects on here accusing the posters of being racists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leocep Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 First off , as a pro football fan I feel sorry for what you guys here are going trough this year. Although Im a huge Broncos fan, I was always have a soft spot for the Falcons, I remember when I was a kid Jamal Anderson doing that dance, and then when MV came in I was a total fan of him, I had always wish we could had have him hear, but thats that.Anyways my point of being here is to talk about the coaching vacancy and Im glad that I already saw posted on the board the name that I think will be a perfect fit for this organization,Marty Schotteiheimer, this guy is THE BEST at turning around franchises, the players like to play for him because of his system and he's approach to players.I know there is a lot of other good candidates out there, but names like Cowher, Jason Garret, Singletary, but for this franchise IMO needs someone who can get there turn the ship around in hte right direction and develop players for his system.Anyways those are my .02, and hopefully you guys here can turn it around soon.Best regardsLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince78 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Superfan "! (12/12/2007)THEY DON'T NEED the FREAKIN' MONEY, THAT'S WHY!!! Those guys are very wealthy, so if they don't need the money, why the **** would they want to come to Atlanta? For the challenge? Because they feel sorry for us? For some warm weather? For some Georgia peaches? **** no. Those guys got nothing left to prove, except maybe for Marty who never won the big one, but why would he want to try and get that done with THIS train wreck?Our next HC will come out of the pro ranks and is currently coaching, although not as a HC. And as I said in an earlier thread, I am convinced he will be a black man and a great hire.Guess who?That is funny Sup. Who has too much money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uup115 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 we need to hire a "Man"...not some wormy gladhander like Mora and not some dolt like Pretendo. Blank fired the last "Man" coach and i think he fears his loss of control to real strong men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btrain5489 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Setzertopia (12/12/2007)Superfan "! (12/12/2007)THEY DON'T NEED the FREAKIN' MONEY, THAT'S WHY!!! Those guys are very wealthy, so if they don't need the money, why the **** would they want to come to Atlanta? For the challenge? Because they feel sorry for us? For some warm weather? For some Georgia peaches? **** no. Those guys got nothing left to prove, except maybe for Marty who never won the big one, but why would he want to try and get that done with THIS train wreck?Our next HC will come out of the pro ranks and is currently coaching, although not as a HC. And as I said in an earlier thread, I am convinced he will be a black man and a great hire.Guess who?You know, I'm not convinced that Coach Singletary is what we need right now, but they were talking to Mortensen on ESPNEWS just now and he brought up something I thought was very interesting:In 1996 a young GM named Rich McKay extended offers to several big name, high power coaches to come to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers a team in total disarray that no one wanted to coach. He offered these coaches basically whatever they wanted -- even if it meant becoming a puppet GM. They all declined. Finally, Mr. McKay offered the job to a brilliant defensive mind by the name of Tony Dungy.Suddenly the loathsome, woesome team that NO ONE in their right mind would coach became a force to be reckoned with, even though Coach Dungy never managed to win a Super Bowl while there. Any of this sound familiar? Can lightning strike twice? Could Coach Singletary right the sinking ship that is the Atlanta Falcons? I don't know. But I **** sure wouldn't mind finding out.Come on people, lets be reasonable. First there were the constant "Oh Jimmy Johnson didn't blow the NFL away his first year either, give Petrino time." Posts, now we're replacing them with "McKay hired Dungy for Tampa...he can hire our Dungy too." posts?Tell me what is it about McKay's Atlanta resume that makes you think he'll do anything constructive THIS time around. McKay is currently 0 for 2. Will it just be dumb luck this time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Bruce Kwartler (12/12/2007)If we are going to have a rookie head coach who was an outstanding linebacker -- why not someone familiar with the franchise?Jesse Tuggle for head coach!!Bring him home McKay!!--BKONLY if he hires Tommy Nobis as his Defensive coordinator! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 clownorg (12/12/2007)I'd be fine With Singletary, Provided Cowher & Marty do Not take the job.I prefer Prior HC experience before taking another Rookie HC Every great HC was a rookie once-bring Singletary in!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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