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What sounds better to you to address our two biggest needs (OT, QB) and this is assuming we're picking top five:

Brian Brohm in the 1st round and an OT in the 2nd (realistically, Barry Richardson, Gosder Cherilus, Jeff Otah, etc.)

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An OT in the 1st round (realistically, Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Michael Oher) and Colt Brennan in the 2nd.

I chose Brennan and the 1st round OT for a number of reasons. For starters, I think OT is the biggest need on this team and there are a lot of really good ones at the top of the draft this year, none better than Michigan's Jake Long who I think we'll have a serious shot at. I also think that Brennan is a better QB than Brohm, and although they BOTH have question marks, we won't have to invest a top 5 pick in him and we won't have to break the bank on him either.

I think Brohm has way too many question marks surrounding him to be taken top 5.

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Yeah I agree with you and June Jones, Brennan is the best QB in this draft. I think it would be a steal to grab him in the second or the third for that matter. But alas, we are a long ways away from determining what could possibly happen come draft day. The home page has an article touting Clabo so we can't be too sure what our coaches and front office will deem the most important position to address. Furthermore, McKay always talks about getting the best player available. This offseason will be an interesting on indeed. But let us not get too ahead of ourselves because we have the aints on Monday night football (we better enjoy the prime time football because a Vickless falcons won't get these games in the future I am afraid).

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rassmilo (12/7/2007)
Yeah I agree with you and June Jones, Brennan is the best QB in this draft. I think it would be a steal to grab him in the second or the third for that matter. But alas, we are a long ways away from determining what could possibly happen come draft day. The home page has an article touting Clabo so we can't be too sure what our coaches and front office will deem the most important position to address. Furthermore, McKay always talks about getting the best player available. This offseason will be an interesting on indeed. But let us not get too ahead of ourselves because we have the aints on Monday night football (we better enjoy the prime time football because a Vickless falcons won't get these games in the future I am afraid).

Well I agree with what you say about McKay wanting the best player available, and I think it's especially important to get the best player available when you're picking within the top 10, and we will probably be picking within the top 5, if not the top 3. That said, there are about 8 prospects I'd take over Brohm at this point, and I'm not even trying to knock Brohm, I just think that when you're investing that high of a pick and that much money in a player you have to take the best one with the most potential and the least risk.

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I'll answer this in an odd way. Several players are mentioned as possibilities for each pick. I'll grade how much I would like each one as a draft pick in their respective rounds.

"1) Brian Brohm in the 1st round"

8 out of 10...10 out of 10 after a trade down (or trade back up into the first round to get him)

"2) and an OT in the 2nd"

Barry Richardson

0 out of 10. Terrible value for a second round pick

"Gosder Cherilus"

7.5 out of 10. He is a RT at the next level, but I think he's pretty good value in round 2.

"Jeff Otah"

9 out of 10. There is a lot to like about Otah.

"An OT in the 1st round (realistically, Jake Long"

I'm assuming all of these are top 8 picks, which is the "worst" case scenario for our draft pick. Long is a tricky proposition. I'm convinced he's a decent LT but a brilliant RT at the next level. This makes him a Jordan Gross type. He'll immediately upgrade our O-line, but he won't provide quality blind side protection for our QB against speed rushers to the degree a top 8 pick should. That makes him about a 7 out of 10 for our needs.

"Ryan Clady"

9.5 out of 10. If we're going to go OT in the top 10, Clady is the guy I'm starting to lock in on. He's slick.

"Michael Oher"

As a Falcons fan, I am conflicted by this pick. He's like Patrick Willis last year in that his is an amazing story of triumph over adversity. He would be so easy to root for. At this point, picking him at #8 would be vastly overrating him based on potential rather than what he is right now. If we get him around 30-35, it's a pick I would give a 9 out of 10 (he still has some risk no matter where we draft him). In the top 8, he's a 1 out of 10. Feast or famine top 10 picks are fool's gold in the cap era.

"and Colt Brennan in the 2nd."

I've avoided all discussions of Colt Brennan to date. I'm going to continue to dance around this for now other than to offer a numeric value for his selection in the second round. That number is 5 out of 10. That's a pretty big hint about what I expect from him as an NFL prospect.

So, in reviewing the propositions, I come to the same conclusion. Whether we take Brian Brohm or Ryan Clady in the first round, I believe either one would be great value after a trade down. I'm not crazy about either one as a top 3 pick, though, which is a concern since that is where we are currently at. Out of the second round options, Otah, Oher and Cherilus would all work for me, even if we drafted a LT in round one (you heard me).

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I'm not completely sold on Brohm, though he is almost the ideal QB for us with Petrino heading up the coaching staff. It's almost one of those situations where we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Out of the top 3 QBs, I feel as if Brohm is really the only one that our staff would consider... because with a top 3 or top 5 pick, neither of them are a BPA pick, and Brohm is the only one that makes sense as a reach... though I would much prefer the BPA pick in that case; in a Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Sedrick Ellis, or even Jake Long.

I am really not sold on Brennan, though I do believe he has a lot of potential from watching him play. It's just impossible to say with any certainty because he has been running a system that takes a lot of responsibility off the QB and is not used with any degree of regular success in the NFL. He is very accurate though and has great leadership, decent size... I just wouldn't be willing to gamble on him if I were Rich McKay unless he shows up in a big way to the combine.

If we are going the BPA route in the 1st, the only QB that I want in this draft beyond the 1st round is Dennis Dixon.

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Carter (12/7/2007)
I'm not completely sold on Brohm, though he is almost the ideal QB for us with Petrino heading up the coaching staff. It's almost one of those situations where we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Out of the top 3 QBs, I feel as if Brohm is really the only one that our staff would consider... because with a top 3 or top 5 pick, neither of them are a BPA pick, and Brohm is the only one that makes sense as a reach... though I would much prefer the BPA pick in that case; in a Glenn Dorsey, Darren McFadden, Sedrick Ellis, or even Jake Long.

I am really not sold on Brennan, though I do believe he has a lot of potential from watching him play. It's just impossible to say with any certainty because he has been running a system that takes a lot of responsibility off the QB and is not used with any degree of regular success in the NFL. He is very accurate though and has great leadership, decent size... I just wouldn't be willing to gamble on him if I were Rich McKay unless he shows up in a big way to the combine.

If we are going the BPA route in the 1st, the only QB that I want in this draft beyond the 1st round is Dennis Dixon.

Where do you get your information from about Hawaii's system? Didn't you listen to June Jones talk about his quarterback? The last touchdown the gave Hawaii the lead against Washington, Jones and Brennan were talking about possible plays to run and Brennan told his coach that they were going to be playing man on the receivers in the red zone. So he calmly went out and ran a play he knew would work against man coverage and connected with his receiver in the flat for a touchdown. How can a quarterback that throws the ball so much not have a lot or responsibility in the offense? The offense runs through him and he has to know how to read the defense and where to put the ball. The only question about Brennan is whether or not he can fit the ball in the tighter windows in the next level but you can say that for pretty much any QB in the draft, including Dixon. I don't get why people are so sold on Dixon when he looks like he could snap at any moment kinda like when he went down with the knee injury trying to juke a defender. I mean how tough is the kid, he looks like he weighs a buck fifty. Also, I think Brennan is a pure passer with mobility while Dixon is a mobile quarterback that can pass (Tebow as well). You guys are arguing that pretty much any quarterback can run June Jones offense and put up Brennan's numbers. June Jones disagrees (he said so about Tebow on espn) and I disagree as well.

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Given only the 2 scenarios you listed, I chose OT & Colt Brennan. I still think the OL is our biggest need no matter who is at QB. And depending on how Redman does on the go-forward, it just might happen that QB becomes a lesser need by season's end. Btw, that is not to say that I think Redman is the future. Frankly I'm sick of the whole "REDMARRINGTONWICH" QB stuff.

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It's funny that people think they know where these players wil get drafted. For all you know Brennan could rise to the first, Brohm could drop to the third, or any of another of countless scenarios. Remember, last year at this time Brady Quinn was a lock for #1 overall. ;)

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Neither one.......Brohm will get some consideration because hes Petrino's boy. If Dmac or Ken Dorsey is on the board we should get them..otherwise our biggest contract should go to our O-line. Theres not one QB in next years draft thats worth a first round pic for any team and defiantely not the Falcons

Lifes a game U gotta play it while U can!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Peyton (12/7/2007)
Ultimately, I don't believe Brennan will be there in the 2nd, but if the Falcons went Jake Long, Colt Brennan, I think that would be a pretty **** spectacular start to the draft.

I hope you're wrong... I'm hoping the throwing motion and the "system QB" tag scare teams off Colt enough so that he's there at our 2nd pick (should be very early in the 2nd).

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although I would love to have Colt, we need to get a solid OL first. It is possible that we can get Mcnabb next year, and we also have Shockley coming back.

I didn't want to say it, but there is a Suspended Qb on our roster :D

We also need a power back. Wouldn't mind seeing Mike Hart, or Kevin Smith there.

Trade Harrington to chicago for Garrett Wolfe.

Keep Roddy, cut Robinson, go for a nice wr like Jackson or Ducett.

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I still think we are going to avoid going QB if we don't trade down and we end up with the #2 or #3 pick. I've said this before, I think McKay is going to be hesitant about drafting a QB high and paying him all that money after the Vick situation. Jake Long seemed like a logical choice, but a ton of people are projecting him as a RT in the NFL. If thats true no way they pick an RT that high. Plus they seem to be happy with Clabo at the moment , so I can't see that being the pick. That leaves us with McFadden or G. Dorsey. Those 2 seem to be the safest picks at this point(as long as Dorsey's knee is ok), so thats who I'm leaning towards. Petrino did say last year that if Peterson fell to us, he was going to be the pick. So maybe he'll go for this years A.P.

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Lord Draakus (12/7/2007)
Neither one.......Brohm will get some consideration because hes Petrino's boy. If Dmac or Ken Dorsey is on the board we should get them..otherwise our biggest contract should go to our O-line. Theres not one QB in next years draft thats worth a first round pic for any team and defiantely not the Falcons

If McKay is considering drafting Ken Dorsey top 5, then we realy have problems in the FO.

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Lord Draakus (12/7/2007)
Neither one.......Brohm will get some consideration because hes Petrino's boy. If Dmac or Ken Dorsey is on the board we should get them..otherwise our biggest contract should go to our O-line. Theres not one QB in next years draft thats worth a first round pic for any team and defiantely not the Falcons

If McKay is considering drafting Ken Dorsey top 5, then we realy have problems in the FO.

Uh, it's Glenn Dorsey, the big powerful DT from LSU.

Look up in the post. He was quoting a guy who called him Ken Dorsey. ;)

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No knock on Brohm or Brennen, but as QB's go .... neither of these guys. We take BPA on the offensive side of the ball. Long/McFadden. Take McFadden out of the equation if we can nab Michael "The Burner" Turner in FA. Long would be very valuable with is pick. Take Long off our board if we can nab a veteran LT in FA. We have to fill too many holes. So reaching on a QB in the 1st is senseless. There will be many quality OL available in the 2nd for us to choose from. Pairing this young talent with wily veterans like an Alan Faneca or Max Starks would bolster our Oline tremendously. As far as a QB goes... this year.... I wait and take a chance on Dixon in the 3-4rds. Guys, don't give up on DJ! He showed a lot of promise and Coach Petrino is really high on him. He was brought in to be a great fit with a mobile QB.... so why not stay that coarse?

Ideal offseason- LG-Alan Faneca, T-Max Starks, WR-Bernard Berrian, DT-Albert Haynesworth------- SIGN MICHAEL BOLEY TO A LIFETIME CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!

Draft:

1. Darren McFadden

2. best OT

2. best ILB

3. best SS

4. Dennis Dixon

4. best CB

5. best WR (Royal from VT) return specialist

6. best DT

6. best DT

7. best K

All IMO, best for the team! What do you think?

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1989fan (12/7/2007)
grendel (12/7/2007)
Joshua Affonso (12/7/2007)
Lord Draakus (12/7/2007)
Neither one.......Brohm will get some consideration because hes Petrino's boy. If Dmac or Ken Dorsey is on the board we should get them..otherwise our biggest contract should go to our O-line. Theres not one QB in next years draft thats worth a first round pic for any team and defiantely not the Falcons

If McKay is considering drafting Ken Dorsey top 5, then we realy have problems in the FO.

Uh, it's Glenn Dorsey, the big powerful DT from LSU.

Look up in the post. He was quoting a guy who called him Ken Dorsey. ;)

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Killa (12/7/2007)
No knock on Brohm or Brennen, but as QB's go .... neither of these guys. We take BPA on the offensive side of the ball. Long/McFadden. Take McFadden out of the equation if we can nab Michael "The Burner" Turner in FA. Long would be very valuable with is pick. Take Long off our board if we can nab a veteran LT in FA. We have to fill too many holes. So reaching on a QB in the 1st is senseless. There will be many quality OL available in the 2nd for us to choose from. Pairing this young talent with wily veterans like an Alan Faneca or Max Starks would bolster our Oline tremendously. As far as a QB goes... this year.... I wait and take a chance on Dixon in the 3-4rds. Guys, don't give up on DJ! He showed a lot of promise and Coach Petrino is really high on him. He was brought in to be a great fit with a mobile QB.... so why not stay that coarse?

Ideal offseason- LG-Alan Faneca, T-Max Starks, WR-Bernard Berrian, DT-Albert Haynesworth------- SIGN MICHAEL BOLEY TO A LIFETIME CONTRACT!!!!!!!!!

Draft:

1. Darren McFadden

2. best OT

2. best ILB

3. best SS

4. Dennis Dixon

4. best CB

5. best WR (Royal from VT) return specialist

6. best DT

6. best DT

7. best K

All IMO, best for the team! What do you think?

DJ looked like garbage all offseason prior to the couple qtrs he played before his injury. Where did you read Petrino was so high on him? I read a quote from DJ where he didnt seem overly confident he would even be a Falcon next year.

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falconva7 (12/7/2007)
What sounds better to you to address our two biggest needs (OT, QB) and this is assuming we're picking top five:

Brian Brohm in the 1st round and an OT in the 2nd (realistically, Barry Richardson, Gosder Cherilus, Jeff Otah, etc.)

OR

An OT in the 1st round (realistically, Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Michael Oher) and Colt Brennan in the 2nd.

I chose Brennan and the 1st round OT for a number of reasons. For starters, I think OT is the biggest need on this team and there are a lot of really good ones at the top of the draft this year, none better than Michigan's Jake Long who I think we'll have a serious shot at. I also think that Brennan is a better QB than Brohm, and although they BOTH have question marks, we won't have to invest a top 5 pick in him and we won't have to break the bank on him either.

I think Brohm has way too many question marks surrounding him to be taken top 5.

You had to make it a multi-person vote.... I can agree with Brohm. I didn't vote and will not because I don't agree! Yeah get Brohm, but I say if Mcfadden by some miracle falls into our Falcons laps "WE DRAFT HIM" because he is a once in a lifetime player for one and will put people in the seats in the Georgia Dome 2nd and make players want to play in Atlanta again, that is being said after all the MV crap.

I must say though, I still don't like Jim Mora Jr's picks for the Falcons when he was head coach, I mean if they were so good then he wouldn't have been fired and not to mention we are still dealing with those players today and paying them a lot of money that could be spent towards better players that will work in this offense and that want to play in this new Falcons team. And for those who want to get on the defensive, no I am not talking about D'Hall.

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