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nfl truth: hip-hop culture hurting nfl

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while i see what your saying, that "me,me,me" attitude could just be because they are celebrities.

i just don't get why so many people want to bring up hip hop when something negative goes wrong.

it may be unfair, but "hip-hop" artists do feed their own streotype. i'm sure you can see how someone can blame the culture.

****, people thought i was evil as a kid because i listened to metal and had long hair. although i never yelled at my hs football coach on the sideline because i didn't like the playcalling.

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interesting perspective.

come to think of it, who was the last 'white' player to have negative on the field antics?

bill romanowski?

kerney and joe jerry do some strutting and chest puffing...those are about the only guys off the top of my head that perform extracarricular celebrations.

while i agree with the whitlock article, mark gasteneau was the one who started it all. huh.gif

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i dont care if he is black. he has no understanding of what "hip hop" is or how it pertains to black men or to people in general. i am greatly offended by what he says here in so many different fronts. he is totally off base and ill informed. and the fact that some of you agree with this shows how misinformed the general public is. i implore all of you to please pay this do not pay this non sense any mind.

ok, where's your rebuttal? i listen to all sides and so will just about everyone here. ... if he's so off-base give your argument.

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no it is not. that is what i am saying. it is not. hip hop has been misrepresented in main PIRATED VIDEO IS ILLEGAL media. what yall see is thugs doing hip hop music. they are not hip hop.

hoe smacking didnt start with kool herc. they been smacking hoes since cats started pimping and that is recognized as the oldest profession.

go rent wild style to understand what hip hop is all about.

you are speaking of the beginnings of hip hop, its roots, and you are right. i think most equate hip hop with what is passed for true hip hop on tv today.

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i don't think he's blaming hip-hop. he's blaming the culture that is portrayed by hip-hop. the "me,me,me" attitude that these players have, is problematic.

do you idiots know that more white people buy hip hop music. do you really think that many of these white players don't listen to hip hop? what, so the black players are more impressionable. how you say hip hop culture is the cause for player misconduct is so ignorant.

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why is r&b not to blame for stuff?

why is country music not to blame for stuff?

why is pop not to blame for stuff?

why is techno not to blame for stuff?

why is the music in porn not blamed for stuff?

when you can't make people be responsible for their problems or actions you can always blame hip hop because it is the cause of every bad problem. rolleyes.gif

r&b is about being horny and loving your woman (s).

country is about loving your dog and pick-up truck.

pop music is for disney soudtracks.

techno is about worshiping huge walls of sound.

christians routinely blame porn for a number of things.

hip hop, well, wouldn't be so bad if common and mos def were idolized but for the most part, they are not. generally, most of the hip hop music that is embraced today is materialistic, criminal, degenerate nonsense. he is merely stating that this brand of hip hop has largely influenced the culture and attitudes of a lot of the players in a negative way.

but, i'm with you, everyone is ultimately responsible for themselves.

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the hip hop culture is all about showing up others and having not respect for anything or anyone. the cops, woman, authority.....

watch a rap video... why do they all seem so angry.. and they have everything going for them.

when is the last time you heard a country song about killing a cop....

or heard a techno song for anything other than a beat.....

pop music does not disrespect women and call them names.

r&b is not calling all my dawgs to go gang bangin....

think about it....

what the author is saying is that the culture create by the hip_hop movement has created a generation of people who lack respect for anyone that they disagree with. authority is rejected and the people involved think they are bigger and more important than anyone else.

let me give you something to think about, commercial rap is not the only aspect of hip hop culture or hip hop music, it's a lot broader and deeper than people who don't dig deep enough know.

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no it is not. that is what i am saying. it is not. hip hop has been misrepresented in main PIRATED VIDEO IS ILLEGAL media. what yall see is thugs doing hip hop music. they are not hip hop.

hoe smacking didnt start with kool herc. they been smacking hoes since cats started pimping and that is recognized as the oldest profession.

go rent wild style to understand what hip hop is all about.

i hear what your saying and there is a difference between the more hardcore rappers and the artistically motivated hip hop artists, but the genre line in music is only as specific as your expertise. there are many genres of rock, but to someone who doesn't listen to rock, the difference is far less clear. this is especially true with something that has such a unique sound structure is hip hop and rap.

sidenote, i still can't figure out how to tell when one techno song ends and another begins.

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no, i meant me. i'm a cancer. j/k

i meant the selfish attitude of those players mentioned and some not mentioned. (i.e. d. hall)

i wasnt sure if you referring to black players in general...which i am sure you werent. some people would have though ya know?

i would agree that hall's on field attitude has some definite maturity issues. i think hes caught in a tough cycle...one between the fact he loves to play football and compete hard...and the other end where he has millions of dollars of money and doesnt feel like he should have to listen to others. thats not just him that struggles with that.

i can bet every person in the nfl battles with that. there is an equilibrium point for every person where satisfaction with one's actions meet the drawbacks to performing those actions.

for some players, it takes only a little money to overwhelm their desire to listen to others....see maurice claurette, reshaun woods, that heisman qb from nebraska(his name is fleeting right now)...and others where their desire to play football/receive money for doing it has a much higher threshold for listening to others/taking the physical punishment of the nfl....guys like donnie edwards(the man), junior seau(a starting nfl lb that old?!? awesome), and zach thomas just to name a very few.

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another irresponsible column penned by whitlock.

hip hop is the dominant culture for all children...

the same hip hop athelete he believes the nfl is rejecting, is the same athelete that is used extensively by the league to market the game. phase them out because they're "hip hop"? that doesn't even make any sense!!!

blaming the bengals problems on chad johson? i'm certain carson palmer's turnover problems and the bengals inability to develop quality defensive players have nothing to do with it?

kansas city's season was doomed from the start with all the turnover along the offensive line and the uncertainty at qb, yet their suffering because larry johnson is a hip hop athelete?

i wonder why he didn't run the numbers on the following teams (also those very successful over the past 10 years):

pittsburgh steelers

philadelphia eagles

seattle seahawks

st. louis rams

tennesse titans

baltimore ravens

because the don't fit in with the jive found in his articles.

this clown is a buffoon on the highest level!

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yeah. the reason players these days feel entitled and better than their coaches is because of hip-hip.... it has nothing to do with the fact that they make more money than their coaches... it's that pesky kanye west!!!

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r&b is about being horny and loving your woman (s).

country is about loving your dog and pick-up truck.

pop music is for disney soudtracks.

techno is about worshiping huge walls of sound.

christians routinely blame porn for a number of things.

hip hop, well, wouldn't be so bad if common and mos def were idolized but for the most part, they are not. generally, most of the hip hop music that is embraced today is materialistic, criminal, degenerate nonsense. he is merely stating that this brand of hip hop has largely influenced the culture and attitudes of a lot of the players in a negative way.

but, i'm with you, everyone is ultimately responsible for themselves.

i was joking about the other music, but i just think the media shouldn't blame the lifestyle so much. i just think this hip hop culture thing is wayyyyyyyyyyyy overblown.

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yall are missing the point. how do you blame music for how people act? that is the biggest cop out the bureaucrats have come up with to date. they miss the issues everytime. hip hop is just the present day scapegoat. rock and roll was devil music till elvis started doing it. then it became the voice of the people. jazz was noise and so unstructured till others got a hold of it. hip hop will do the same thing. in 5 years they will be blaming something else.

i beg all of you who think hip hop music is the cause. if you like it or if you think it is just people making noise, please research it and understand. if you cant listen to it, read the lyrics. understand what is being said and more importantly, why?

when i was in college (over 13 yrs ago) i wrote a paper for my english 101 course where i broke down nas' album illmatic. i will try to find a copy of it so i can post it. maybe it will help some of you understand. lets destroy and build (that is a hip hop concept).

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yeah. the reason players these days feel entitled and better than their coaches is because of hip-hip.... it has nothing to do with the fact that they make more money than their coaches... it's that pesky kanye west!!!

ding ding ding exactly.

the reason these players act the way because they make so much money and are celebrities. so a lot of them probably feel like they are untouchable.

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when i was in college (over 13 yrs ago) i wrote a paper for my english 101 course where i broke down nas' album illmatic. i will try to find a copy of it so i can post it. maybe it will help some of you understand. lets destroy and build (that is a hip hop concept).

most of the people that blame hip hop or look at it in a negative way probably never heard the illmatic cd. never heard 2pac when he first came out and was making song like keep ya head up and dear mama,never heard songs like biggie - juicy

they go by what is played now and girls like that music the most.

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do you idiots know that more white people buy hip hop music. do you really think that many of these white players don't listen to hip hop? what, so the black players are more impressionable. how you say hip hop culture is the cause for player misconduct is so ignorant.

exactly. i manage a hip hop artist and i can confirm this. my cdbaby receipts can back it up.

people are making a social issue into a cultural and racial issue for their own adgenda.

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how come no one complains about hockey players fighting...? it's part of the game!

how come no one complains about bench clearing brawls in baseball...? it's part of the game!

how come no one complains when soccer players run around like they are crazy after a goal...? it's part of the game!

so how come when 8 men stack the line and tackle lj 8 yards deep and he spikes it because he is upset he is labeled a disgrace or a" thug?"

man, this country is something else. mad.gif

thank you.

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do you idiots know that more white people buy hip hop music. do you really think that many of these white players don't listen to hip hop? what, so the black players are more impressionable. how you say hip hop culture is the cause for player misconduct is so ignorant.

thank you for that. had you not told me i would have never known that i'm an idiot. i owe you a debt of gratitude.

seriously, i never said i was blaming hip hop. i said that jason whitlock was blaming the hip-hop culture. really, though, thanks for pointing out that i'm such an idiot.

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this article is total trash. making broad generalizations about groups of people is not good journalism: it is sensationalism designed to gain the writer notoriety.

every generation has to hear how their rebelliousness is ruining the country. this is a very long trend in american culture going back to the 50's when hollywood produced movies about "gang" culture, which continued right into the 60's with the motorcyle gang movies.

i heard all this garbage about my generation being ruined by sex, drugs, and rock&roll in the 60's and 70's.

the status quo does not like to be upset by change.

the funniest part is him characterizing hip hop as a black only experience. i hate to pop his bubble, but my son, who is white, listens to hip hop all the time, as do his friends. there are plenty of white fans of hip hop now.

as the writer himself pointed out, there have been plenty of rebels in the nfl before hip hop.

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you dont think white guys nut up on the field, in the locker room, or on the sidelines? how many teammates has keith brooking beat up?

yes you might not see a white wr screaming at a qb and demanding the football.... the reason being - you might not see a white wr...

i dont think i said that. i asked who was the last white player who had a rep for overdoing it on the field...and i answered my own question with bill romanowski.

i didnt say a thing about white guys not doing stuff on the field...but about players known for doing it on a regular basis. of course white players 'celebrate' on the field, ya see it every sunday. i am not even trying to take away from players that do go 'overboard' with their antics, its all relative to how much a person cares about their actions. i, personally, always had a different style of celebrating...but i wouldnt take anything away from the guys that would go wild. its just how they act on the field. it usually wasnt indicitive of who they were off the field. usually.

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why is r&b not to blame for stuff?

why is country music not to blame for stuff?

why is pop not to blame for stuff?

why is techno not to blame for stuff?

why is the music in porn not blamed for stuff?

when you can't make people be responsible for their problems or actions you can always blame hip hop because it is the cause of every bad problem. rolleyes.gif

hmmmmmmmmm.... i did not see where the music itself was blamed for anything. i read that the culture surrounding the music was to blame. how could anyone think that songs with lyrics like "meet me in the club, its going down" would be about anything other than a rally at a civic organization that may be in finacial trouble? i don't see the reference to violence at nightclubs at all. i think any similarity of such activity and rap songs are purely coincidental, no matter how many proponents describe rap music as an editorial on urban america.

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dudes, it used to be metal music was the devil. now hip-hop is the root of all evil. think back dudes, before that is was the hippies, then the beatles...then omg elvis shaking his pelvis.

the whole world is going to **** in a handbasket.

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another irresponsible column penned by whitlock.

hip hop is the dominant culture for all children...

the same hip hop athelete he believes the nfl is rejecting, is the same athelete that is used extensively by the league to market the game. phase them out because they're "hip hop"? that doesn't even make any sense!!!

blaming the bengals problems on chad johson? i'm certain carson palmer's turnover problems and the bengals inability to develop quality defensive players have nothing to do with it?

kansas city's season was doomed from the start with all the turnover along the offensive line and the uncertainty at qb, yet their suffering because larry johnson is a hip hop athelete?

i wonder why he didn't run the numbers on the following teams (also those very successful over the past 10 years):

pittsburgh steelers

philadelphia eagles

seattle seahawks

st. louis rams

tennesse titans

baltimore ravens

because the don't fit in with the jive found in his articles.

this clown is a buffoon on the highest level!

great post. and to add to it. he also cherry picked from the teams he did use. he takes the shot at to, but somehow exempts randy moss?... i guess it's because randy is surrounded by white guys now.

also; wouldnt ray lewis and ed reed fall into the "hip-hop athlete" stereotype he wants to create? oh wait, no? they're brash, arrogant, and bold... but good leaders. i think it's just sickening to point to like 4 criminals and then lump a whole generation of kids into that. i figured we had moved past this brand of idiocy in the 80s, when people realized that blaming twisted sister for kids wanting to have sex and do drugs was downright silly. i'm shocked that people believe in like this.

"i tell you what. i might not always see eye-to-eye with whitlock. but he got it right this time".... i swear to god, i see that line typed everytime a whitlock article is posted. apparently, alot of people always see eye-to-eye with whitlock, and have some creepy reluctance to admit it.

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yall are missing the point. how do you blame music for how people act? that is the biggest cop out the bureaucrats have come up with to date. they miss the issues everytime. hip hop is just the present day scapegoat. rock and roll was devil music till elvis started doing it. then it became the voice of the people. jazz was noise and so unstructured till others got a hold of it. hip hop will do the same thing. in 5 years they will be blaming something else.

i beg all of you who think hip hop music is the cause. if you like it or if you think it is just people making noise, please research it and understand. if you cant listen to it, read the lyrics. understand what is being said and more importantly, why?

when i was in college (over 13 yrs ago) i wrote a paper for my english 101 course where i broke down nas' album illmatic. i will try to find a copy of it so i can post it. maybe it will help some of you understand. lets destroy and build (that is a hip hop concept).

ya cant...its just a conveniant way for people to place blame without trying to actually resolve a cultural problem by getting to the root of the 'problem'.

death metal is a scapegoat for the trench coat mafia and any wannabes of them. while death metal probably isnt a positive influence in those individuals lives, it certainly was not the deciding factor in anything. a person's nature vs nuture pyschosocial dynamic is.

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how could anyone think that songs with lyrics like "meet me in the club, its going down"

the point is you hear the lyrics that doesn't mean you have to do it. if you choose to do it thats strictly on you and it's not on hip hop.

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