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nfl truth: hip-hop culture hurting nfl

jason whitlock

foxsports.com, updated 4 hours ago

you get one nfl truth today. watching chad johnson and larry johnson undermine their respective head coaches, marvin lewis and herm edwards, on sunday gave me a singular focus, forced me to contemplate an uncomfortable truth.

african-american football players caught up in the rebellion and buffoonery of hip hop culture have given nfl owners and coaches a justifiable reason to whiten their rosters. that will be the legacy left by chad, larry and tank johnson, pacman jones, terrell owens, michael vick and all the other football bojanglers.

in terms of opportunity for american-born black athletes, they're going to leave the game in far worse shape than they found it.

it's already starting to happen. a little-publicized fact is that the colts and the patriots — the league's model franchises — are two of the whitest teams in the nfl. if you count rookie receiver anthony gonzalez, the colts opened the season with an nfl-high 24 white players on their 53-man roster. toss in linebacker naivote taulawakeiaho "freddie" keiaho and 47 percent of tony dungy's defending super bowl-champion roster is non-african-american. bill belichick's patriots are nearly as white, boasting a 23-man non-african-american roster, counting linebacker tiaina "junior" seau and backup quarterback matt gutierrez.

for some reason, these facts are being ignored by the mainstream media. could you imagine what would be written and discussed by the media if the yankees and the red sox were chasing world series titles with 11 african-americans on their 25-man rosters (45 percent)?

we would be inundated with information and analysis on the social significance. well, trust me, what is happening with the roster of the patriots and the colts and with roger goodell's disciplinary crackdown are all socially significant.

hip hop athletes are being rejected because they're not good for business and, most important, because they don't contribute to a consistent winning environment. herm edwards said it best: you play to win the game.

i'm sure when we look up 10 years from now and 50 percent — rather than 70 percent — of nfl rosters are african-american, some al sharpton wannabe is going to blame the decline on a white-racist plot.

that bogus charge will ignore our role in our football demise. we are in the process of mishandling the opportunity and freedom earned for us by jim brown, walter payton, doug williams, mike singletary, gale sayers, willie lanier and countless others. and those of us in the media who have rationalized, minimized and racialized every misstep by vick, pacman and t.o. have played an equal role in blowing it.

by failing to confront and annihilate the abhorrent cultural norms we have allowed to grab our youth, we have in the grand american scheme sentenced many of them to **** on earth (incarceration), and in the sports/entertainment world we've left them to define us as unreliable, selfish and buffoonish.

i take you to arrowhead stadium this past sunday when two competent and respected black head coaches led the chiefs and the bengals in battle, and their efforts were periodically sabotaged by chad and larry johnson, the two players lewis and edwards have defended the most.

football fans are aware of lewis' love affair with chad johnson, the flavor flav of the gridiron. johnson's insistence on conducting a minstrel show during games has long been reluctantly tolerated by lewis. johnson, i guess, is just too talented, productive and well-compensated for lewis to discipline. so lewis has chosen to enable, going as far as making excuses when johnson's selfish behavior extended to an alleged locker-room shoving match with coaches (including a swing at lewis) at halftime of the bengals' jan. 8, 2006 playoff loss to the steelers.

coming off an 11-5 regular season and having been crowned the toast of cincinnati, lewis responded to that johnson meltdown by vowing to cut the player who leaked the fight information to the media.

since then, the bengals have been one of the league's biggest disappointments, finishing 8-8 last season and starting 1-4 this season. injuries have played a significant role in cincy's troubles, but so has a lack of on- and off-field discipline and focus. lewis' coddling of chad johnson has destroyed the chemistry that made the bengals a playoff team in 2005.

on sunday, with the bengals trying to rally out of a two-score deficit, johnson failed to finish a pass route, which contributed to carson palmer throwing an interception.

not to be outdone, larry johnson continued his season-long pattern of immature behavior, spiking the football in frustration with 4 minutes to play and the chiefs attempting to run out the clock. the bengals were out of timeouts and the spike stopped the clock, giving cincy one last chance to make a comeback.

johnson, despite receiving a new $45-million contract, has brooded, pouted and complained all season. he spent the off-season promising to be a leader and has spent the first six weeks of the season spreading locker-room cancer. edwards-coached teams have traditionally been the least-penalized squads in the nfl. this year's chiefs are one of the most-penalized squads. nickel back benny sapp drew an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty on sunday, had to be dragged off the field by donnie edwards, and was spotted on the sideline arguing with players and coaches.

race is not the determining factor when it comes to having a good or bad attitude. culture is.

hip hop is the dominant culture for black youth. in general, music, especially hip hop music, is rebellious for no good reason other than to make money. rappers and rockers are not trying to fix problems. they create problems for attention.

that philosophy, attitude and behavior go against everything football coaches stand for. they're in a constant battle to squash rebellion, dissent and second opinions from their players.

you know why muhammad ali is/was an icon? because he rebelled against something meaningful and because he excelled in an individual sport. his rebellion didn't interfere with winning. jim brown, bill russell, kareem abdul-jabbar, etc. rebelled with dignity and purpose.

what we're witnessing today are purposeless, selfish acts of buffoonery. sensible people have grown tired of it. football people are recognizing it doesn't contribute to a winning environment.

whether calculated or not, the patriots and the colts have created settings in which brady and manning can lead and feel comfortable. i remember back in the 1980s when some black sports fans accused the celtics of being racist for having a predominantly-white roster when larry bird was the star. no one remembered that red auerbach occasionally fielded an all-black starting lineup during bill russell's heyday.

my point is that it makes sense to cater to your stars. and it makes even more sense to fill your roster with players who don't mind being led, even if you sacrifice a little 40-yard dash speed.

if things don't change quickly, we're going to learn this lesson the hard way.

while i agree with a lot of what jason has to say in this article, in fact the vast majority of it, i do take some issue with his attitude that seems to feel that equality in football (from a black/white player standpoint) is if 70% of the players a african american and that if the ratio were

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when jeff george used to chew his coaches out... i used to think "nwa is ruining america"....

and how does to get thrown in that? i dont see this guy as a thug at all. and if he's thrown in there... how is randy moss not thrown into the group with the pats?

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while i agree with a lot of what jason has to say in this article, in fact the vast majority of it, i do take some issue with his attitude that seems to feel that equality in football (from a black/white player standpoint) is if 70% of the players a african american and that if the ratio were 50/50, then it wouldn't be fair. other than that, i think he's dead on for most of this article.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... no one wants to hear this.. .................

this is just a attempt by the man to bring the black man down......................

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....................

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why is r&b not to blame for stuff?

why is country music not to blame for stuff?

why is pop not to blame for stuff?

why is techno not to blame for stuff?

why is the music in porn not blamed for stuff?

when you can't make people be responsible for their problems or actions you can always blame hip hop because it is the cause of every bad problem. rolleyes.gif

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i dont care if he is black. he has no understanding of what "hip hop" is or how it pertains to black men or to people in general. i am greatly offended by what he says here in so many different fronts. he is totally off base and ill informed. and the fact that some of you agree with this shows how misinformed the general public is. i implore all of you to please pay this do not pay this non sense any mind.

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why is r&b not to blame for stuff?

why is country music not to blame for stuff?

why is pop not to blame for stuff?

why is techno not to blame for stuff?

why is the music in porn not blamed for stuff?

when you can't make people be responsible for their problems you can always blame hip hop because it is the cause of every bad problem. rolleyes.gif

i don't think he's blaming hip-hop. he's blaming the culture that is portrayed by hip-hop. the "me,me,me" attitude that these players have, is problematic.

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interesting perspective.

come to think of it, who was the last 'white' player to have negative on the field antics?

bill romanowski?

kerney and joe jerry do some strutting and chest puffing...those are about the only guys off the top of my head that perform extracarricular celebrations.

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interesting perspective.

come to think of it, who was the last 'white' player to have negative on the field antics?

bill romanowski?

kerney and joe jerry do some strutting and chest puffing...those are about the only guys off the top of my head that perform extracarricular celebrations.

kirkus from denver pulled a gun on a guy because of road rage earlier this year.

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i don't think he's blaming hip-hop. he's blaming the culture that is portrayed by hip-hop. the "me,me,me" attitude that these players have, is problematic.

by me you mean the ones stated in the article right?

just checking if you werent...hard to show meaning over the internet.

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how come no one complains about hockey players fighting...? it's part of the game!

how come no one complains about bench clearing brawls in baseball...? it's part of the game!

how come no one complains when soccer players run around like they are crazy after a goal...? it's part of the game!

so how come when 8 men stack the line and tackle lj 8 yards deep and he spikes it because he is upset he is labeled a disgrace or a" thug?"

man, this country is something else. mad.gif

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interesting perspective.

come to think of it, who was the last 'white' player to have negative on the field antics?

bill romanowski?

kerney and joe jerry do some strutting and chest puffing...those are about the only guys off the top of my head that perform extracarricular celebrations.

what about jared allen? multiple dui arrests... barret robins ring a bell? i think the bengal's olineman stienbach was arrested last year.

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i don't think he's blaming hip-hop. he's blaming the culture that is portrayed by hip-hop. the "me,me,me" attitude that these players have, is problematic.

he said he is blaming hip hop and neither hip hop music nor hip hop culture is to blame. his statements are so culturally biased and uninformed that it is down right racist in nature.

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i don't think he's blaming hip-hop. he's blaming the culture that is portrayed by hip-hop. the "me,me,me" attitude that these players have, is problematic.

while i see what your saying, that "me,me,me" attitude could just be because they are celebrities.

i just don't get why so many people want to bring up hip hop when something negative goes wrong.

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why is r&b not to blame for stuff?

why is country music not to blame for stuff?

why is pop not to blame for stuff?

why is techno not to blame for stuff?

why is the music in porn not blamed for stuff?

when you can't make people be responsible for their problems or actions you can always blame hip hop because it is the cause of every bad problem. rolleyes.gif

the hip hop culture is all about showing up others and having not respect for anything or anyone. the cops, woman, authority.....

watch a rap video... why do they all seem so angry.. and they have everything going for them.

when is the last time you heard a country song about killing a cop....

or heard a techno song for anything other than a beat.....

pop music does not disrespect women and call them names.

r&b is not calling all my dawgs to go gang bangin....

think about it....

what the author is saying is that the culture create by the hip_hop movement has created a generation of people who lack respect for anyone that they disagree with. authority is rejected and the people involved think they are bigger and more important than anyone else.

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kirkus from denver pulled a gun on a guy because of road rage earlier this year.

i thought he punched a guy...and took a polygraph test and passed?

and i was talking about on field anyways....white players do as much bs as anyone else under the sun.

one trend among athletes that makes me scratch my head is the running away after wrapping their sports cars around a telephone pole.

be a man like coleman, at least hit something thats not supposed to be on the road, and wait until the cops come.

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by me you mean the ones stated in the article right?

just checking if you werent...hard to show meaning over the internet.

no, i meant me. i'm a cancer. j/k

i meant the selfish attitude of those players mentioned and some not mentioned. (i.e. d. hall)

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why is r&b not to blame for stuff?

why is country music not to blame for stuff?

why is pop not to blame for stuff?

why is techno not to blame for stuff?

why is the music in porn not blamed for stuff?

when you can't make people be responsible for their problems or actions you can always blame hip hop because it is the cause of every bad problem. rolleyes.gif

heavy metal and rock have been used to blame stuff on many occasions. music that sends a negative message is the target of blame, regardless of genre. country music? what's the last country song that talks about smacking up hoe's, selling drugs, or killing people? pop or techno, are you joking?!? techno doesn't even have any words in it. r&b has a general theme of being about sex and/or love, not violence.

i don't think hip hop is the cause of every bad problem. i do think there's a lot of music in general that sends a negative message. but all types of music (other than hip hop) have been blamed for the downfall of society at some point in time or another.

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why is r&b not to blame for stuff?

why is country music not to blame for stuff?

why is pop not to blame for stuff?

why is techno not to blame for stuff?

why is the music in porn not blamed for stuff?

when you can't make people be responsible for their problems or actions you can always blame hip hop because it is the cause of every bad problem. rolleyes.gif

i'm pretty sure that the content of the lyrics are more inline with the "cultural ills" that whitlock is trying to address. pop music is blamed for things (girls dressing/acting inappropriate for their age), and country, with a few exceptions, advocates a much different attitude towards this life. techno amd porn music are poor examples because there is not lytical content. and r&b isn't blamed again because of lyrical content.

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what about jared allen? multiple dui arrests... barret robins ring a bell? i think the bengal's olineman stienbach was arrested last year.

i was talking about on field.

white guys do just as much as anyone else off the field....the off the field part wasnt a part of my arguement.

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shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... no one wants to hear this.. .................

this is just a attempt by the man to bring the black man down......................

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....................

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i was talking about on field.

white guys do just as much as anyone else off the field....the off the field part wasnt a part of my arguement.

you dont think white guys nut up on the field, in the locker room, or on the sidelines? how many teammates has keith brooking beat up?

yes you might not see a white wr screaming at a qb and demanding the football.... the reason being - you might not see a white wr...

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the hip hop culture is all about showing up others and having not respect for anything or anyone. the cops, woman, authority.....

no it is not. that is what i am saying. it is not. hip hop has been misrepresented in main PIRATED VIDEO IS ILLEGAL media. what yall see is thugs doing hip hop music. they are not hip hop.

hoe smacking didnt start with kool herc. they been smacking hoes since cats started pimping and that is recognized as the oldest profession.

go rent wild style to understand what hip hop is all about.

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i dont care if he is black. he has no understanding of what "hip hop" is or how it pertains to black men or to people in general. i am greatly offended by what he says here in so many different fronts. he is totally off base and ill informed. and the fact that some of you agree with this shows how misinformed the general public is. i implore all of you to please pay this do not pay this non sense any mind.

the general public is misinformed because no one will step up and say anything different.

the persons representing the group are those that are always in the spot light so of course the actions of the few are casting a negative light on the group as a whole.

until someone else from the culture stands up and denounces the ones who are giving them a black eye,,,, then the general public will continue to associate the two........

(the squeeky wheel always gets the grease.....)

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