the harrington lovefest

[tru_fan_always]

your not seeing the complete picture. joey wasn't given a lot of time to make a come back and with some stupid false start penalties he was given even less of an opportunity. the main thing is; he proved that it could be done with our wrs and their defense. when byron was in it just looked like the tampa defense was the most dominant defense since the days of the "steel curtain". i'm not putting all my hopes on a score, but at least joey kept us from having the first blowout in dome history.

the colts will win but if joey is in we have more of a chance of keeping the score close, imo

a loss is a loss!!!! i'd rather be blown out than tolose a close game! joey is averaging less than a touchdown pass ever game and a half!!!! who will you beat this way??? i think morten anderson should be the qb!!!! he is scoring more points!!!

[the atl]

i think if anything yesterday proved that joey was playing the way bp asked him to play. leftwich eventually went to the short dumpoffs and still couldnt complete them.

you can only look downfield so long before the de, dt, safety and your own olineman is falling ontop of you.

[tru_fan_always]

joey doesn't have a $130,000,000 contract to win.

that contract was given because of what was done on the field and the butts he put in the seats!! blank rewarded a man who lined his and the nfl's pockets more than the were already!!! that money was earned based on that fact alone!

[the atl]

a score. you guys sure settle for so little. a score when the game was over. a score when tampa was standind around laughing. a score won't help thursday night. i hope they start joey, lets see what you are saying friday. probably, "the colts scored 40 points but a least joey led us to a score. the new england fans and colt fans and pittsburg fans are different from you guys ..... they want wins not a score. i guess the team is a reflection of it's fans. that answers a lot of questions.

you really dont make much sense, you are bashing those who found somthing right in what joey did in a quarter yet you want a guy who couldnt even get us a first down on consecutive drives to play over him.

what the ######?

[the atl]

that contract was given because of what was done on the field and the butts he put in the seats!! blank rewarded a man who lined his and the nfl's pockets more than the were already!!! that money was earned based on that fact alone!

what the **** does that have to do with anything. ykw was paid to win not just put butts in the seats.

[Robb4242]

that contract was given because of what was done on the field and the butts he put in the seats!! blank rewarded a man who lined his and the nfl's pockets more than the were already!!! that money was earned based on that fact alone!

to a degree yes, but you are also given that money to put your best performance on the field, to continue to win (something he did not do in 05 & 06), and to stay the face of the franchise.

vick failed in all 3 of those areas to continue living up to the contract he had. you are given the big bucks based on past performances, but also with the expectation that they will continue. and once you've got a deal like that the expectation that they will continue is much, much greater.

[atlfalcon78]

a loss is a loss!!!! i'd rather be blown out than tolose a close game! joey is averaging less than a touchdown pass ever game and a half!!!! who will you beat this way??? i think morten anderson should be the qb!!!! he is scoring more points!!!

true but he isn't giving the ball away on the 30, he makes the other team drive the length of the field. he moves the chains and controls the clock which leaves less time for the other team to score.

how hard is that to grasp? byron sux.

[tru_fan_always]

to a degree yes, but you are also given that money to put your best performance on the field, to continue to win (something he did not do in 05 & 06), and to stay the face of the franchise.

vick failed in all 3 of those areas to continue living up to the contract he had. you are given the big bucks based on past performances, but also with the expectation that they will continue. and once you've got a deal like that the expectation that they will continue is much, much greater.

i can agree with that but it was only so much he could do from an offensive standpoint. the linemen were forced to do crash diets every week, receiver play, play calling, and the defense was beat up both seasons. his personal choices you can't defend!

[HOYLE]

true but he isn't giving the ball away on the 30, he makes the other team drive the length of the field. he moves the chains and controls the clock which leaves less time for the other team to score.

how hard is that to grasp? byron sux.

bump. also, due to coaches decision he has norwood riding

the pine. using him would make the offense joey is trying to direct

a threat. the announcers said that all the coaches facing

us only fear norwood as a threat to watch out for. we solve

that by putting him on the pine. since game 1 we have said

we needed to get him more involved in the offense.

[atlfalcon78]

bump. also, due to coaches decision he has norwood riding

the pine. using him would make the offense joey is trying to direct

a threat. the announcers said that all the coaches facing

us only fear norwood as a threat to watch out for. we solve

that by putting him on the pine. since game 1 we have said

we needed to get him more involved in the offense.

this is still baffling to me as well. he is on the same level as bush and their coaches seem to get 2 backs involved in no? why would petrino continue to say something than do just the opposite. if you are not going to use him, shut up about it

[atlfalcon78]

oh, please! tampa bay was through with the game. they were through with the game when they let jerious run that touchback (that was taken away). please don't come in here and act life joey created miracles against tb yesterday once he got in.

so you are saying bryon could have prevented the goose-egg? doubt it...........seriously doubt it.

[SINIK4L]

we have a chance to win with joey. with leftwich we have a chance

to complete a bomb about every 4 to 6 turnovers. if the receiver then

drops the one we finally get in there it's every 8 to 12 turnovers.

maybe we do have a better chance to win with joey, but he won't lead us to the playoffs. i understand you guys wanna win. no one likes losing. but do you really believe we will be anything more than a 5 or 6 win team under joey? how would that help us?

[atlfalcon78]

maybe we do have a better chance to win with joey, but he won't lead us to the playoffs. i understand you guys wanna win. no one likes losing. but do you really believe we will be anything more than a 5 or 6 win team under joey? how would that help us?

since when is winning a bad thing? i didn't spend my money to watch a team lose.......

[SINIK4L]

since when is winning a bad thing? i didn't spend my money to watch a team lose.......

winning isn't bad.

what i was saying is going 6-10 isn't that much better than going 3-13. it accomplishes nothing imo.

[boss_martian]

a score. you guys sure settle for so little. a score when the game was over. a score when tampa was standind around laughing. a score won't help thursday night. i hope they start joey, lets see what you are saying friday. probably, "the colts scored 40 points but a least joey led us to a score. the new england fans and colt fans and pittsburg fans are different from you guys ..... they want wins not a score. i guess the team is a reflection of it's fans. that answers a lot of questions.

i want a win, too. harrington is not an elite qb and probably never will be, either on this team or somewhere else. however, while he was at qb, the falcons won two games in a row.

other than being named the starter a couple of weeks ago, what sort of improvement was chubby checker supposed to bring to the offense? can you name some precise areas of improvement he was supposed to bring? after you name those, could you please tell me how that worked out on sunday? i watched the game and i didn't see any improvement in our offense. perhaps i missed something. yes, chubby threw the ball down field. clearly he didn't get the memo that he was supposed to throw it in such a manner that would enable players wearing falcons uniforms to catch the ball, but we can't blame him for that one, can we?

harrington was signed as a backup and has been doing what was asked of him. we need to draft a qb next year or try to pick up someone in fa. however, this year, harrington has shown improvement every week. he has shown so much improvement that he led the team to two victories in a row. no, neither of those teams were the pats, but we did win the games. the sucks aren't the pats either, but chubby managed to be totally inadequate, to put it politely.

i don't see what byron sandwich is supposed to improve on this team.

[skippy]

because he completes the "short"ses that leftwich doesn't and gets us down field. leftwich was 1 of 9 yesterday on 3rd down conversions. joey led us to a score.

yes, and at least our offense has graduated to touchdowns instead of just feild goals lately -with harrington, they are improving-keep harrington in for the rest of the season

[atlfalcon78]

you did this year when you decided to keep your season tickets instead of giving them away after finding out noey and lefty would be your qbs..

still costs me money either way

[atlfalcon78]

neither one of these dudes is going to get you where you want to be. yesterday, byron looked like joey has looked all season (minus all the fumbles).

so why put byron in? if you can see neither is the answer - what good is changing the qb after 2 wins in a row suppose to accomplish? coach p has as much to blame for this as byron

[HOYLE]

maybe we do have a better chance to win with joey, but he won't lead us to the playoffs. i understand you guys wanna win. no one likes losing. but do you really believe we will be anything more than a 5 or 6 win team under joey? how would that help us?

if we use all our assets along with joey ie. norwood then we are as good as we are.

holding norwood back in some kind of red shirt year has cost us. how much? joey

was replace by byron because he had "more assets" according to coach p. how is

that working out? give joey all the cards and play it out. he is consistently moving

the ball, at a turtle's pace, but a little norwood could go a long way to giving us a

wide open offense. use what we have got then we will know what we have got.

[boss_martian]

how about throwing it successfully downfield........something he is yet to do and could not do yesterday. most of his passes yesterday in case you missed the game were less than 10 yards and he couldn't even complete those. too high, into the ground, wide of the receiver.

give me a break, byron sux and there is a reason he sat on the open market after being cut.

dude, i'm joking. i'm being sarcastic because of all the leftwich supporters going on and on about how he can "throw the ball down field". i'm also mocking the threads that imply racism when there isn't any when people such as me are not happy with the decision to switch qbs on sunday. i've been asking exactly what sort of improvement chubby was supposed to make in our offense on sunday, but no one has an answer other than the incredibly insightful observation of "joey sucks". i'll ask it again:

what improvement was byron leftwich supposed to bring to the atlanta falcons offense on sunday? what deficiencies in joey harrington's play was he supposed to address? please explain how this translated to the offensive play i saw on sunday?

i'm not in any way saying that joey harrington is an elite qb. i think he's got amazing character and he's a guy i want to like because he does give it everything he has. he's just not exceptionally talented. having said that, the receivers seem to catch the balls he throws and he hasn't turned the ball over very much.

i'm all for change when it's supposed to improve something. i don't think there was any sort of improvement on sunday and i think it was stupid to change qbs. not because harrington is the second coming of joe montana but because we didn't stink the place up on offense the last two weeks.

i hope this clears up some misconceptions. i was trying, perhaps unsuccessfully to be funny and sarcastic.

[SINIK4L]

if we use all our assets along with joey ie. norwood then we are as good as we are.

holding norwood back in some kind of red shirt year has cost us. how much? joey

was replace by byron because he had "more assets" according to coach p. how is

that working out? give joey all the cards and play it out. he is consistently moving

the ball, at a turtle's pace, but a little norwood could go a long way to giving us a

wide open offense. use what we have got then we will know what we have got.

i hear you.

i guess the difference between me and some of you is that as soon as ykw got busted my first thought was 'man, our season is over'

i thought we were finished before we even began so it's hard for me to find any optimism here when everything is happening like i thought it would. we just aren't a good team.

crappy oline, wrs that can only catch soft passes, rookie hc, no real qb, no real running game. the only bright spot on our team is defense and they won't be enough to carry this team.

[atlfalcon78]

i'm not saying that petrino was right in going with byron. i personally think he should have stuck with noey, but ish happens. i think petrino, byron and that sorry ###### oline has a lot to do with them losing yesterday. i can understand him wanting to get byron back in the scheme of things, but he should have done it with noey in first and then shifted to byron later on down the stretch. let us not forget, that before byron got injured-again- that he was making plays for the falcons and was driving us down the field. there is no consistency on the field for the falcons. the only guys you can really call on to come to play are j. abraham and crump. other than that, we really have no team. consistency is the key. i think it's far fetched to say that noey was getting better simply because he was on a two game winning streak. look at who those two games were taken from. but for some reason, people fail to consider that when boasting on his streak.

to me it goes back to every other team in the nfl......if your qb is winning, you don't pull him regardless of who he beat. grossman wasn't pulled last year because he didn't lose them the game. joey deserved the same. i do agree that having joey start then bring in byron if the game started to go south would have more acceptable to the fans. leaving byron in the game until the 3rd qtr when it was obvious he was costing us the game was not acceptable....to me or the other fans sitting around me.

[boss_martian]

yeaaaaaaah. harrington won us two games against two sorry teams and now he is on his way to making us at least wild cards out our divisions. whoooooopie. the buc (no pun intended) stopped there.

and leftwich was an improvement how? i'll take a win no matter how ugly. i don't think harrington is an elite qb, but i think he's better than anything we have on the team right now. no, he's not peyton manning or tom brady. i don't think he's some sort of guarantee for us or any team to make the playoffs.

perhaps you can explain how leftwich has improved our offensive play?

i prefer for the falcons to win. they won two in a row. i agree, these were not elite teams that we beat, but are you suggesting that the bucs are? regardless, forget about harrington for just a moment and explain just how leftwich improved our chances to win on sunday? also, when you explain this, could you give an answer other than "joey sucks"? thanks!

[HOYLE]

what you fail to understand is that this was just one game. one game where byron played a full game, and you are ready to ring lefty out to dry and replace him with the guy that has stunk it up for you all season. in those games that byron did play before being injured, was he not moving the ball for us? i do believe he was. if i'm not mistaken, we had the lead against no with byron in the game. byron's td was the only td of that game. it wasn't until noey got in that the lead slipped away. so, come on. get off of it. the season was doomed to begin with and people need to face that.

he came in and gave a performance in relief of joey that cost us a game. it was the

single worse performance by any athlete in any sport that i can remember. he should

have been cut the following morning rather than named starter. his body of work is

with the jags and they cut him. yesterday was more of the same. yes, he had a nice

half against n.o. before he went down with injury. he is not a fit.

the season wasn't doomed, with all we had gone through we were in the playoff chase

going into that game. we had something building. it was a product you could support.

[SINIK4L]

he came in and gave a performance in relief of joey that cost us a game. it was the

single worse performance by any athlete in any sport that i can remember. he should

have been cut the following morning rather than named starter. his body of work is

with the jags and they cut him. yesterday was more of the same. yes, he had a nice

half against n.o. before he went down with injury. he is not a fit.

the season wasn't doomed, with all we had gone through we were in the playoff chase

going into that game. we had something building. it was a product you could support.

joey has been cut three times by three different teams.

by the way, that bolded part is a little dramatic, don't you think. the single worst performance by an athlete in any sport?