shee23 Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 speaking of talent and not including off the field issues, here's my listoffenserb- jamal anderson and william andrews back him upfb - bob christian wr- t. mathis, risen, martin, te- crump qb- vick and chandlerol - b. fralic, whitfield (even with the holding ha), forney, ephirim salaamdefensecb- d. sanders, ray buchannon and d halls- scott case and milloy and brian jordonlb tuggle, nobis, brooking dl- abe, rod coleman, c. bennett, lester a.head coach dan reeves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensewinscliche Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 where's van note, claude humphry, and bartkowski? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shee23 Posted November 7, 2007 Author Share Posted November 7, 2007 where's van note, claude humphry, and bartkowski?good point bart would probably go between vick and chandler. i couldn't remember humphry sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direwolf Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 well, if you're including just the years they spent with the falcons, maybe. if you're including career, i'd go with:qb: bartkowski, chandlerrb: eric dickerson (yes, he played for the falcons), william andrews, jamal andersonfb: gerald riggs (i believe he played fullback though he was a featured rusher just like larry czonka), bob christianwr: mathis, rison, horn (his career has been superb), jenkinste: junior miller, alge crumplerol: jeff van note, mike kenn, bill fralic, bob whitfield (oh, if only he had actually cared about football!), possibly blalock if he plays up to his abilitycb: deion sanders, deangelo hall, possibly ray buchanan (i'm drawing a blank of corners for some reason)lb: tommy nobis, jessie tuggle, cornelius bennetts: scott case, lawyer milloydl: claude humphrey (how could you forget him???), chuck smith, good lord, i'm drawing a blank on defensive tackles. i must be going nuts.k: mort (duh)p: hmmm.... stryzinski? he had a very solid average and was a fantastic directional punter for a long timekr/pr: deioni'm missing several, especially at dt, but i'm at work and can't really devote the time to it that i'd like.direwolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direwolf Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 good point bart would probably go between vick and chandler. i couldn't remember humphry sorry.can't believe vick is on the list at all. exciting player, but never fulfilled his potential as a quarterback.direwolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 can't believe vick is on the list at all. exciting player, but never fulfilled his potential as a quarterback.direwolfcareer passing td to int ratio ranks: 1.) vick: 71/52 = 1.38 to 1 2.) george: 154/113 = 1.36 to 1 3.) chandler: 170/146 = 1.21 to 1 4.) millier: 123/102 = 1.21 to 1 5. ) hebert: 135/124 = 1.09 to 1 6.) bartkowski: 156/144 = 1.08 to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 but the question remains, do you think he fulfilled his potential as a quarterback??does it matter? the thread wasn't about who filled their potential was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki45toryu Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 but the question remains, do you think he fulfilled his potential as a quarterback??his not fulfilling potential was still better than most falcon's qbs absolute ceiling.i would probably list him second behind bart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowcountry Falcon Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 but the question remains, do you think he fulfilled his potential as a quarterback??no, he didn't. but he is still one of the greats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 no, i guess it doesn't matter, but it probably matters just as much as the all-time td/int ratios for falcons' qbs. the thread wasn't really about that, either.the td to int ratio has more to do with who performed better, which is directly related to the topic at hand. the question of who could have been better is another topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencaman Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 well, if you're including just the years they spent with the falcons, maybe. if you're including career, i'd go with:qb: bartkowski, chandlerrb: eric dickerson (yes, he played for the falcons), william andrews, jamal andersonfb: gerald riggs (i believe he played fullback though he was a featured rusher just like larry czonka), bob christianwr: mathis, rison, horn (his career has been superb), jenkinste: junior miller, alge crumplerol: jeff van note, mike kenn, bill fralic, bob whitfield (oh, if only he had actually cared about football!), possibly blalock if he plays up to his abilitycb: deion sanders, deangelo hall, possibly ray buchanan (i'm drawing a blank of corners for some reason)lb: tommy nobis, jessie tuggle, cornelius bennetts: scott case, lawyer milloydl: claude humphrey (how could you forget him???), chuck smith, good lord, i'm drawing a blank on defensive tackles. i must be going nuts.k: mort (duh)p: hmmm.... stryzinski? he had a very solid average and was a fantastic directional punter for a long timekr/pr: deionyou forgot lb fulton kuykendall!!i'm missing several, especially at dt, but i'm at work and can't really devote the time to it that i'd like.direwolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 bart was terrible in the late 70's but in the early 80's he put up some of the best seasons in falcon history for a qb.yep...i actually just started a topic to ask why this was. what was the main reason for the big turnaround? do you know? http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=279613 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 actually, it is all subjective. you say td/int ratio has more to do with who performed better, others may say wins, others may say playoff wins, others may say sb appearances, others may say yards, etc., etc., etc. i didn't ask who could have been better. i simply asked you if you thought that vick reached his potential, which, if i am not mistaken, is what direwolf said he did not do. your response to him was to start throwing up stats that can be used to argue any point of view. i would still like to know if you think that vick reached his potential.it's a silly question to ask don't you think? of course he never reached his potential......i don't know if you know this or not, but he is still pretty young and isn't allowed to play this season and maybe never again....how one could think he reached his potential is beyond me. ps- i wonder where the vick led falcons ranks when it does come to wins and playoff wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki45toryu Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 i am not disagreeing with you. i would put him behind bart also, and more than likely behind chandler.chandler = 1 magical season with a line, rb, and good defense.i never had a problem with chandler, personally, but i realized that he wasnt the guy for this organization if we werent even making an attempt to keep him upright(drafting linemen to do so). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putnam6 Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 the thing about chandler, though, was he knew how to lead the team. sure, he couldn't stay upright, and sure he couldn't stay healthy, but when he was on the field, the team just kind of had a confidence about them. maybe i am just hypnotized by the fact that it was the only sb team in 40 years.... chandler was great 1998,had a **** nice touch on his long throws,the minnesota nfc title game was his finest hour.he is 1a bart is 1b vick is 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kid with the Golden Arm Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 vick has a winning record as the falcons qb. he's #1 by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrawfishJones Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 here's my list:qb - steve bartkowski and mike vickrb - william andrews, gerald riggs, jamaal andersonfb - bob christian and william andrews (great blocker as well)wr - alfred jenkins, andre rison, terrance mathis, wallace franciste - alge crumpler, junior millerol - mike kenn, bill fralic, r.c. theilmann, chris hinton, jeff van notedl - claude humphries, chuck smith, pat kerney, chris dolemanlb - buddy curry, jessie tuggle, fulton kykendall, keith brookingcb - deon, deangelo hall, bobby butlerss - scott case, tom pridemorekr - billy "white shoes" johnsonpr - billy "white shoes" johnsonp - john jamesk - morten andersonhc - leaman bennettdc - jerry glanville (gritz blitz)oc - june jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpool2510@yahoo.com Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 here's my list:qb - bret farve ,steve bartkowskirb - william andrews, jamaal andersonfb - bob christianwr - alfred jenkins, terrance mathis, wallace franciste - alge crumplerol - mike kenn, bill fralic, r.c. theilmann, jeff van notedl - claude humphries, chuck smith, pat kerney,(soon to be john abraham)lb - jessie tuggle, keith brooking(soon to be boley)cb - deon, deangelo hall, bobby butlerss - scott case(man could he blow some people up!)kr - billy "white shoes" johnsonpr - billy "white shoes" johnsonp - john jamesk - jay feelyhc - dan reaves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpool2510@yahoo.com Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 vick has a winning record as the falcons qb. he's #1 by default.if you are talking default..........bret farve! (jerry glanville set this team back 15 years with that trade) any one who leaves two tickets at will call for elvis every home game is not very stable. what a joke he was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direwolf Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 here's my list:qb - steve bartkowski and mike vickrb - william andrews, gerald riggs, jamaal andersonfb - bob christian and william andrews (great blocker as well)wr - alfred jenkins, andre rison, terrance mathis, wallace franciste - alge crumpler, junior millerol - mike kenn, bill fralic, r.c. theilmann, chris hinton, jeff van notedl - claude humphries, chuck smith, pat kerney, chris dolemanlb - buddy curry, jessie tuggle, fulton kykendall, keith brookingcb - deon, deangelo hall, bobby butlerss - scott case, tom pridemorekr - billy "white shoes" johnsonpr - billy "white shoes" johnsonp - john jamesk - morten andersonhc - leaman bennettdc - jerry glanville (gritz blitz)oc - june joneswhat made you pass on tommy nobis at linebacker? that guy should be in the hall of fame!direwolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiney_McShine Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 speaking of talent and not including off the field issues, here's my listoffenserb- jamal anderson and william andrews back him upfb - bob christian wr- t. mathis, risen, martin, te- crump qb- vick and chandlerol - b. fralic, whitfield (even with the holding ha), forney, ephirim salaamdefensecb- d. sanders, ray buchannon and d halls- scott case and milloy and brian jordonlb tuggle, nobis, brooking dl- abe, rod coleman, c. bennett, lester a.head coach dan reeveswho's risen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrawfishJones Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 what made you pass on tommy nobis at linebacker? that guy should be in the hall of fame!direwolfi was too young to see him play live. plus there's not alot of footage of those falcons 66-74, especially since falconsvision is off the air. i'd have to take someone's word for it. i heard he was great though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrawfishJones Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 who's risen?andre rison. my bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consistentfalcon Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 where's van note, claude humphry, and bartkowski?william andrews, jessie tuggle, alfred jackson, scott case dave hampton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consistentfalcon Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 chandler = 1 magical season with a line, rb, and good defense.i never had a problem with chandler, personally, but i realized that he wasnt the guy for this organization if we werent even making an attempt to keep him upright(drafting linemen to do so).excellent point on chandler , and vick was brought in to fill the stadium not win a super bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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