hytrewqasdfg Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/...333/1002/sportsjacksonville's defensive scheme is certainly a better fit for the beefy defensive tackle. in atlanta's two-gap scheme, his responsibility was to tie up a pair of offensive linemen to free up the linebackers to make the play."they didn't want me to make plays." he said. "(they wanted me to) help the linebackers. i helped them to a certain extent, but if i felt like i could get a key on a guy and if i could take him i'm going to take that shot."he'll get more of a chance to do that in jacksonville, which uses a one-gap scheme defense.grady doesn't even have enough sense to keep his mouth closed at this point. every time he speaks, he backs up the falcons' stated reason for firing him. he's not making himself look better by continually saying "i was doing my own thing instead of what the coaches wanted me to do."is his ego really that big that he thinks people will admire him for not playing his part, or he thinks people will actually believe he knows more than a defensive coordinator with 13 years of nfl experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonfalcon Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 "(they wanted me to) help the linebackers. i helped them to a certain extent,wow they wanted him to help the team, how stupid is zimmer??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDirtyWordII Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 agreed.at the end of the day statistics only tell the story about the plays you made, not the plays you didn't make. the feeling about jackson seems to be that his negatives simply outweighed his positives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_k Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 sounded like he was trying to be candid. you can't win, if you speak the truth, people say you should've kept your mouth shut, if you keep quiet, people make incorrect assumptions because they don't know the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 sounded like he was trying to be candid. you can't win, if you speak the truth, people say you should've kept your mouth shut, if you keep quiet, people make incorrect assumptions because they don't know the facts.i think people wanted to hear from him when we didn't know why he was cut. once we found out he was cut because he wasn't maintaining his gap and not following his assignment, we were glad he was cut. now that he comes out and confirms exactly what the coaches said, he should've just kept his mouth shut, because he was fired for not doing his job. if you're not doing your job and you get fired for it, you have no right to complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 i think people wanted to hear from him when we didn't know why he was cut. once we found out he was cut because he wasn't maintaining his gap and not following his assignment, we were glad he was cut. now that he comes out and confirms exactly what the coaches said, he should've just kept his mouth shut, because he was fired for not doing his job. if you're not doing your job and you get fired for it, you have no right to complain.yep....we now know he was fired for wanting to make tackles in the backfield instead of allowing the rb's to get past him and getting tackled after a 5 yard gain. the new coaches tried to tell him that tackles are to be made by line backers, not linemen, but he just wouldn't listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
movezig Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 i think grady just likes to make big plays. he led the league in tackles for a loss last season, and think that's the kind of thing that makes him want to play. he's not on the field every down so when he does come in he wants to make an impact. he wants to get sacks and to make plays in the backfield. i still don't think he should have been cut. just put on the bench until there's a down and distance that makes sense for him to come in and try to get penetration like that. for all other downs he should be on the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 jags defense is all about penetration by the front 4....which is why their dl is better than their lbs.we're a two-gap defense which relies on our dl to hold the front and allow lbs to make the plays.wonder how it is that boley is making so many plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 yep....we now know he was fired for wanting to make tackles in the backfield instead of allowing the rb's to get past him and getting tackled after a 5 yard gain. the new coaches tried to tell him that tackles are to be made by line backers, not linemen, but he just wouldn't listen.yep, you hit the nail on the head, it's because he wanted to make tackles in the backfield. the falcons thus far have had 433 total plays on defense. 208 of those plays the opposing team rushed the ball. grady had a grand total of 20 tackles out of the 208 rushing plays. so i guess it's ok for him to ignore the scheme and put himself out of position on the other 188 plays team's have run the ball because of the 20 times he's actually made a play. the coaches tried to explain to him that with this scheme, we have to maintain gap control, otherwise you have ol plowing through your lbers risking a big gain on a rushing down. we all know grady can make a play and penetrate the backfield, the problem is the 90% of the time he doesn't make that play. this is a team sport, and he's playing selfishly, so he's gone. i think he'll do very well in jacksonville, it's the scheme that he wants to play in, his assignment is to penetrate into the backfield and make plays. that wasn't what he was supposed to do here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki45toryu Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 wonder how it is that boley is making so many plays?boley had the makings of a stud before grady came here...and boley is on the field for 3 downs, not the 1 or 2 that grady is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachb Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 yep....we now know he was fired for wanting to make tackles in the backfield instead of allowing the rb's to get past him and getting tackled after a 5 yard gain. the new coaches tried to tell him that tackles are to be made by line backers, not linemen, but he just wouldn't listen.almost every defense uses the same scheme. look at the great defenses like the steelers. the job of the dl is to eat up blockers and allow the lbs to make plays. i don't see them only tackling rbs "5 yards downfield". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 wonder how it is that boley is making so many plays?most of his are on the outside where gravy is not but brooking is somewhat dependant on him to follow the scheme like everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmildog Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 oh i thought you were referring to the concept of burning more calories than you take it. i don't think he gets that either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 yep, you hit the nail on the head, it's because he wanted to make tackles in the backfield. the falcons thus far have had 433 total plays on defense. 208 of those plays the opposing team rushed the ball. grady had a grand total of 20 tackles out of the 208 rushing plays. so i guess it's ok for him to ignore the scheme and put himself out of position on the other 188 plays team's have run the ball because of the 20 times he's actually made a play. so you are saying that those 188 plays were all rushes up the middle? 20 tackles has him right in line with albert haynesworth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
living404 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 i was shocked when i first heard we showed him the door. the more i hear it sounds like it was the right move. he wasn't playing the scheme + it sent a message to the team= good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrd36 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 to offer another point of view, hypothetically, if everyone on here had a chance to be our nfl nose tackle and you played our scheme, what would you do when its contract year and the falcons don't want you anymore. keep in mind, by playing the scheme, over three years, you only have 5 sacs and 30 tackles, and no other teams are calling for a workout. i don't agree with grady's actions, but i understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
215FalconsFanatic Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 great football conversation. i am glad people who post here understand what zimmer is trying to do. i find schemes very interesting. and exactly like someone before me said. the fact he was cut does not reflect on his skill at what he does, he just doesnt do what we need for him to do. hopefully trey does and plays solid for us. then we could focus elsewhere fa and draft-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachb Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 to offer another point of view, hypothetically, if everyone on here had a chance to be our nfl nose tackle and you played our scheme, what would you do when its contract year and the falcons don't want you anymore. keep in mind, by playing the scheme, over three years, you only have 5 sacs and 30 tackles, and no other teams are calling for a workout. i don't agree with grady's actions, but i understand.actually, i still don't understand it. he's a nt. his job is to occupy two tacklers, not pile up stats. any coach in the nfl looking for a nt knows that and will sign the player that does his job, not puts up stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrino is NOT my hero Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 wow, with your coaching resume you should be working in the nfl.. ... you don't have to have a coaching resume to realize how ineffective grady was... it was pretty obvious if you watched him closely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Jewell Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 brooking isn't the type of lb that was shooting the gaps to make a tackle anyway. now before you flame me on brooking, he is great at making stops. he causes no fear in linemen or fullbacks. he plays to his weaknesses by making sure that he make the plays. even if it is downfield. i don't see him shooting the gap and causing a disruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
statick Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 boley had the makings of a stud before grady came here...and boley is on the field for 3 downs, not the 1 or 2 that grady is.now that stroud has been suspended, i wonder how that's going to play out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loozianafalcon Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 wow they wanted him to help the team, how stupid is zimmer??? yeah, imagine that -- a teammate helping out his other teammates!! what a novel concept!!dang, this idea could revolutionize football!! imagine football being a "team sport".grady, it's best just to stfu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrd36 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 "i guess any team looking to bring in a fa who didn't actually look at game tape and figure out what people's assignments were supposed to be deserves what they get."yea but if in another team's scheme, they have their nt rushing the passer more than ours, they won't know what he's capable of if he's holding up linemen. and yes the nt rushes the passer in other schemes, thats what grady's been doing before zimmer while he was with us, i don't know what the **** he was doin before that...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiney_McShine Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 agreed.at the end of the day statistics only tell the story about the plays you made, not the plays you didn't make. the feeling about jackson seems to be that his negatives simply outweighed his positives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdonawire Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 sounded like he was trying to be candid. you can't win, if you speak the truth, people say you should've kept your mouth shut, if you keep quiet, people make incorrect assumptions because they don't know the facts.why was this same logic not applied to d. hall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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