skj220 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 re-building a team is a process. at the end of this year we have too many other holes to fill. we already have one rookie at cb and it wouldn't make any sense to trade an experienced pro-bowl corner who we have on a cheap contract for another year just to try and "get something for him" while we can. players leave via fa, it happens. you can't trade away every good player a year before their contract is up. shaub was the exception, not the rule. the most likely scenario (assuming we don't sign him to a long term contract) is to draft a corner and let him learn for a season (just like deangelo did when he got drafted) then let him leave as a fa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhoundz864 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 thank you mr. arthur blank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 re-building a team is a process. at the end of this year we have too many other holes to fill. we already have one rookie at cb and it wouldn't make any sense to trade an experienced pro-bowl corner who we have on a cheap contract for another year just to try and "get something for him" while we can. players leave via fa, it happens. you can't trade away every good player a year before their contract is up. shaub was the exception, not the rule. the most likely scenario (assuming we don't sign him to a long term contract) is to draft a corner and let him learn for a season (just like deangelo did when he got drafted) then let him leave as a fa.do what? so we're going to let a guy, if he leaves, go for nothing? i'm good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 deangelo will be traded. you don't let a premier player leave your team without receiving some sort of compensation. i don't know whether or not he will be traded this offseason. i would expect him to be traded after next season, he will be tagged, and we will get a 1st and 3rd for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_big_pants Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 we either re-sign him or tag him and trade him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Fanatic Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 re-building a team is a process. at the end of this year we have too many other holes to fill. we already have one rookie at cb and it wouldn't make any sense to trade an experienced pro-bowl corner who we have on a cheap contract for another year just to try and "get something for him" while we can. players leave via fa, it happens. you can't trade away every good player a year before their contract is up. shaub was the exception, not the rule. the most likely scenario (assuming we don't sign him to a long term contract) is to draft a corner and let him learn for a season (just like deangelo did when he got drafted) then let him leave as a fa.so we draft a corner and let hall leave without compensation huh????? no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skj220 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 deangelo will be traded. you don't let a premier player leave your team without receiving some sort of compensation. i don't know whether or not he will be traded this offseason. i would expect him to be traded after next season, he will be tagged, and we will get a 1st and 3rd for him.here's the deal, normally you'd be correct. but when a player opt's out of a remaining part of their contract, you can't tag them as a franchise player. so if deangelo voids the 2009 season thats currently on his contract, he's gone. don't you remember why we couldn't franchise patrick kerney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 ladies and gentleman......give a hand to mr petrino for logging in and filling us in on the hall situation!we appreciate it coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 its funny how somebody thinks hall will not be traded and you and other people go "thank you mr. blank!"if hall does get traded, other players on this team would want out as well...all thanks to college boy bp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 its funny how somebody thinks hall will not be traded and you and other people go "thank you mr. blank!"if hall does get traded, other players on this team would want out as well...all thanks to college boy bp.who's gonna want out? crumpler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinblade Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 who's gonna want out? crumpler?more then likely yes, after all crumpler and bp are not seeing eye to eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 more then likely yes, after all crumpler and bp are not seeing eye to eye.alright then, good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 here's the deal, normally you'd be correct. but when a player opt's out of a remaining part of their contract, you can't tag them as a franchise player. so if deangelo voids the 2009 season thats currently on his contract, he's gone. don't you remember why we couldn't franchise patrick kerney?they can still be franchised. we didn't franchise kerney because he was coming off of an injury, so we would've had to give him compensation of the top 5 de's in the league, of which he is not worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reservoirdog Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 hall and crumpler can both head on out the door. both looked a lot better in 05, crumpler had a few big games last year and otherwise was miserable, and he hasn't had any big games this year. hall just sucks against any real #1 receiver other than steve smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skj220 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 no because if we try to trade him, he would just opt out of his contract.dude, he can't opt out of his whole contract, he can (and has said he will) void the last year of it, which is the 2009 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 dude, he can't opt out of his whole contract, he can (and has said he will) void the last year of it, which is the 2009 season.the only reason kerney wasn't franchised was because he opted out of his contract after the time frame for franchise tags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skj220 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 they can still be franchised. we didn't franchise kerney because he was coming off of an injury, so we would've had to give him compensation of the top 5 de's in the league, of which he is not worth.while i completely agree that kerney wasn't worth franchising, you are wrong. if a player cannot be franchised if they've voided any part of their contract. do some research my man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhoundz864 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 its funny how somebody thinks hall will not be traded and you and other people go "thank you mr. blank!"if hall does get traded, other players on this team would want out as well...all thanks to college boy bp.i said thank you arthur blank being sarcastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak.the.knight Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 the only reason kerney wasn't franchised was because he opted out of his contract after the time frame for franchise tags.you're right, here are the sourcesfran. tag deadlinefeb 22http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=2759910kerney opts outmarch 2http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...ansactions.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mv4mvp Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 more then likely yes, after all crumpler and bp are not seeing eye to eye.alge really doesn't have a future here anyway. we would have been better off keeping eric beverly if the only purpose of a te is to block in the running game and catch an ocassional short pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!owahorse Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 hall and crumpler can both head on out the door. both looked a lot better in 05, crumpler had a few big games last year and otherwise was miserable, and he hasn't had any big games this year. hall just sucks against any real #1 receiver other than steve smith.hall ain't even fared that well against smith recently either. i seem to remember a stick, it was shi tty on one end,..guess who got that end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 while i completely agree that kerney wasn't worth franchising, you are wrong. if a player cannot be franchised if they've voided any part of their contract. do some research my man.teams can officially designate franchise and transition players between feb 8, 2006 and feb 22, 2006.march 1 is the deadline for clubs to submit qualifying offers to their rfas whose contracts have expired and to whom they desire to retain a right of first refusal/draft compensation.free agency officially begins on march 2. for rfas, the period officially ends on april 20. the deadline for old clubs to exercise the right of first refusal to rfas is april 27. for ufas (including franchise players and transition players), who have been given a tender offer from their prior team, the period officially ends on july 22 or the first day of training camp -- whichever is later. under the old cba, a team had until march 17 to work out a long term deal with its franchise player. if the team signed the franchise player between march 18 and july 14, the tag would have stayed with that player for the length of his contract, which meant that the team could not name another franchise payer until that player's contract was terminated. the updated cba pushed that date back until july 22, the same as the free agency deadline. however, there remains a caveat: the club may not sign the tagged player to a long-term contract after july 14. that is, the team has until july 14 to sign the tagged player to a long-term contract; afterwards the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior team, and the contract may not be extended until after the last regular season game.a prior team has until june 1 to tender an ufa or a rfa a qualifying offer (worth at least 110% of the salary of the final year of the contract with the prior team). in the case of ufas, if such an offer is made, the player has until july 22 to sign with a different club. if he doesn't, then the only team that the player can sign with after july 22, is the prior club. in the case of rfas, if such a june 1 tender is made, the player can only sign with the the prior club. if no june 1 tender is made for a rfa (or the tender is rescinded by the prior club before july 22), then the player becomes an ufa. in the case of both ufas and rfas, if the player does not sign with the prior team by the first tuesday following week 10 of the regular nfl season, then the player shall be prohibited from playing in the nfl for the remainder of that season.deadline for old clubs to withdraw an original qualifying offer to a rfa and still retain exclusive negotiating rights by substituting tender of 110% of previous year s salary is june 15. wow! that's a lot to digest! if all of this still seems confusing, relax. we have a series of faqs that may better help you understand how free agency works in the nfl.kerney opted out on mar. 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 while i completely agree that kerney wasn't worth franchising, you are wrong. if a player cannot be franchised if they've voided any part of their contract. do some research my man.link? i researched and i do not see that rule anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 link? i researched and i do not see that rule anywhere.it isn't, just read the previous posts on the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skj220 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 your right. i'm wrong. let's franchise his ######. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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