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having heard the interview by dhall, he said petrino never even mentioned that grady was cut.

hall thought that petrino would mention it in the team meeting. petrino never did.

hall thought that petrino would address it during the defense only meeting. petrino never did.

i think this shows poor management skills in not coming out and confronting directly what everyone on the team was talking about.

why not come out and talk about it ?

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having heard the interview by dhall, he said petrino never even mentioned that grady was cut.

hall thought that petrino would mention it in the team meeting. petrino never did.

hall thought that petrino would address it during the defense only meeting. petrino never did.

i think this shows poor management skills in not coming out and confronting directly what everyone on the team was talking about.

why not come out and talk about it ?

petrino is not a manager. he's a head coach.

these overhyped babies are millionaires being paid to play a f##king game.

shut the f### up and play, ya bunch of pizz ants.

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petrino is not a manager. he's a head coach.

these overhyped babies are millionaires being paid to play a f##king game.

shut the f### up and play, ya bunch of pizz ants.

see....that is the point that some of them are making. grady jackson was one of the guys who was "shut up and playing football" was he not?

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they should address the team as well the fans.

i want real reasons, not propaganda and spin. tell us that you want to move towards youth or that you are still having issues with the whole law suit. don't spin and tell us it was because of poor play.

it reminds me of some of the congressmen who leave congress:

they tell us that the congressman had to leave congress because he needed to spend more time with his family, but in reality, he had to leave because he got caught hooking up with men at gay clubs or trying to pick up little boys on the internet.

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it reminds me of some of the congressmen who leave congress:

they tell us that the congressman had to leave congress because he needed to spend more time with his family, but in reality, he had to leave because he got caught hooking up with men at gay clubs or trying to pick up little boys on the internet.

grady jackson was going to gay bars?

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if your boss fired your next door cubicle golf buddy would

you expect a meeting to discuss the causes?how do these

players feel so empowered to speak for a team they are paid to play

for?as in every single buisness out there the boss is the man w/ the

decision making ability. our job as fans is to cheer when they are winning

and beeatch when they lose. human nature.

no one on this board will ever know the politics, if any, surrounding

gravy's release.

a stigma? perhaps

a useless overweight,no follow direction crybaby? perhaps

a good riddance for the future? definately

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absolutely. this isn't college where you have kids on scholarships that you don't have to answer to and push around. these are grown men. i think the team's problems are bigger than petrino, i think mckay has done a poor job of building a team that he can utilize. however, this is a bad decision by petrino.

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yes. they owe it to the players to talk to them. not consult them in the decision, but at least address it. explain why they did it, and let the team voice concerns. it doesn't matter if they are being paid to play, they aren't slaves and they should have a voice. when they feel they don't then they act out, and nfl players have a great resource at their disposal... the media.

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if your boss fired your next door cubicle golf buddy would

you expect a meeting to discuss the causes?how do these

players feel so empowered to speak for a team they are paid to play

for?as in every single buisness out there the boss is the man w/ the

decision making ability. our job as fans is to cheer when they are winning

and beeatch when they lose. human nature.

no one on this board will ever know the politics, if any, surrounding

gravy's release.

a stigma? perhaps

a useless overweight,no follow direction crybaby? perhaps

a good riddance for the future? definately

you need to post this in every thread! petrino doesn't "owe" anybody anything. hall will be next.

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yes. they owe it to the players to talk to them. not consult them in the decision, but at least address it. explain why they did it, and let the team voice concerns. it doesn't matter if they are being paid to play, they aren't slaves and they should have a voice. when they feel they don't then they act out, and nfl players have a great resource at their disposal... the media.

bs. they don't have to address anything. he's the boss and they are the employees. the team can voice concerns on football related matters but this is a personnel decision. so should have petrino consulted everyone when he signed mort? no. they "act out"? please. these are grown men getting paid millions. dhall makes 185k per game-good for him but he needs to stfu and play the game and position he's paid to play not worry about his homie on the line being gone.

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if your boss fired your next door cubicle golf buddy would

you expect a meeting to discuss the causes?how do these

players feel so empowered to speak for a team they are paid to play

for?as in every single buisness out there the boss is the man w/ the

decision making ability. our job as fans is to cheer when they are winning

and beeatch when they lose. human nature.

no one on this board will ever know the politics, if any, surrounding

gravy's release.

a stigma? perhaps

a useless overweight,no follow direction crybaby? perhaps

a good riddance for the future? definately

if you work for a company that would fire someone and not discuss it with the other employees who are directly impacted....then you must be hourly with no benefits. these aren't illegal immigrants. players should feel empowered to speak....****, you saying otherwise is just beyond ignorant.

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if your boss fired your next door cubicle golf buddy would

you expect a meeting to discuss the causes?how do these

players feel so empowered to speak for a team they are paid to play

for?as in every single buisness out there the boss is the man w/ the

decision making ability. our job as fans is to cheer when they are winning

and beeatch when they lose. human nature.

no one on this board will ever know the politics, if any, surrounding

gravy's release.

a stigma? perhaps

a useless overweight,no follow direction crybaby? perhaps

a good riddance for the future? definately

uhhh, yes. a person in my department was let go about a month ago and my employer pulled me and my two coworkers aside and told us a month befeore it took place. why, because it affected my job.

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if a team is suppose to be a family, (which all teams claim to be) then they should address family business. it wasn't like grady was a 4th stringer or practice squad player. he was the guy that everyone on defense jockied for last yr and he was a starter that was doing his job very well. he has been the most consisted player since he has been here.

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uhhh, yes. a person in my department was let go about a month ago and my employer pulled me and my two coworkers aside and told us a month befeore it took place. why, because it affected my job.

how would you react if it were you that got terminated and your coworkers knew it was coming a month before you did. in my mind even if it affected your job you shouldn't have that knowledge and wasn't any of your business what happened to the person with his job on the line. yes sir it sounds like a swell place to work with all that breaching of confidentiality / sensitivity issues going on.

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no the only person owed a explanation was grady jackson and he got one. petrino doesn't owe them a **** thing. they're never going to be satisfied with anything petrino does so just ask for a trade.

your either the problem or the solution.

everyone is frustrated with being 1-6 and hall aint making the problem any better with his venting.

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since for some reason, many fans want to compare us to the pats....

notice the difference in the handling of cutting milloy, a well respected veteran on that team, and the cutting of jackson, a respected veteran:

patriots cut four-time pro bowler milloy

foxboro, mass. (ap) the new england patriots released pro bowl safety and team captain lawyer milloy on tuesday, less than a week before his stunned former teammates will open the season.

"has it ever been this quiet in here? i don't think it has," linebacker tedy bruschi, milloy's rookie roommate in 1996, said in the locker room. "i think 'shocked' is the word. ... you sort of just shake your head and ask yourself, 'why?' "

milloy, 29, started 106 consecutive games going back to his rookie year, when the patriots won the afc championship. he led the team in tackles in 2001, when new england won the super bowl.

but last year, he had no sacks, no forced fumbles and no interceptions, and 91 tackles was his lowest total since he became a full-time starter. plus, he was due to cost the patriots at least $5.25 million against the salary cap this year; the two sides had been trying to renegotiate his deal since april without success.

"today is a day that nobody is happy about. this isn't the way we wanted this story to end," coach bill belichick said. "this is the hardest player that i have had to release. it was the hardest situation that i've had to go through like this, here or anywhere else."

milloy's agent, carl poston, did not immediately return a call seeking comment. the buffalo bills reportedly expressed interest in milloy.

"are we interested? yes, we are interested," bills spokesman scott berchtold said. berchtold would not say whether the team has made the player an offer.

the bills are considered to have the salary-cap room to sign milloy, and could use an established safety in their continuing attempt to upgrade an already revamped defense. buffalo's current starters are coy wire, who's coming off an encouraging rookie season, and pierson prioleau, a four-year veteran who was a first-time starter last season.

milloy was in the fourth year of a seven-year, $35 million contract he signed in 2000. by cutting him, the patriots save his $4.4 million salary, but have to count the rest of his $6 million signing bonus against their salary cap in 2003-04.

"it doesn't surprise me, because i saw it with drew (bledsoe) and with otis (smith) and with just a lot of guys," quarterback tom brady said. "it is a tough business. it is really tough because there is never job security and it is not actually based on your performance, either. you can play at a pro bowl level and you could show up every day on time and never complain and be a captain and a leader. it is not about if it will happen, it is just when it will happen to each player."

in all, the move could save new england less than $3 million on their cap this year. with the season opener at buffalo on sunday, it's not clear why it was done now.

"it is scary in the timing," cornerback ty law said. "there's such a thing as good business and bad business. i don't know what category this one falls under. but to my eyes, and being selfish, at this late in the game and in regard to him and his family, i'm quite sure this is something that could have been done a long time ago."

law could be facing something similar a year from now. he signed a seven-year, $50-milion deal in 1999 before belichick came aboard and the patriots reportedly are looking to reduce his cap hit, as well.

"we thought we'd get this last year in together. we knew one, if not both of us, would be gone after next year," law said. "we were trying to leave on a good note, with a championship. ... i'm going to still try to go out there and lead the younger guys as much as i can, to go out there and always play for lawyer and remember one of my fallen soldiers."

milloy had taken all the practice snaps as the starting free safety. now, the patriots will have to choose from antwan harris, aric morris and chris akins.

"with this tragedy, we're going to have to pull together even closer for this game in buffalo," harris said. "i feel like i'm ready. i'm ready to go out there and show what i can do. i'm not any lawyer milloy. i'm antwan. i have to take my abilities and put them on the field

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"both sides tried all the way to, truly, the eleventh hour, to try to find a way to make it work but in the end we just weren't able to get to that point," head coach bill belichick said today. "but of all of the players that i have released in my career this easily would be the hardest. it's an unfortunate situation all the way around but one that we've made and we will have to move forward with."

...

now, i don't like the language that deangelo used and his problems go deeper than grady, but the pats players questioned their coach when the move happened. notice that even the surly belichick gave a rationale, and notice the timing: before the year began

also, being 1-6 has everyone on edge. if grady wasn't doing his job ona 6-1 team, do you think we'd have heard the complaints? probably not, and definitely not in that language.

sometimes it's the method, not the actual decision.

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it cuts both ways. did dhall address the coaching staff of his concerns about the lack of communication before he unloaded to the press?

alge complained a few weeks back about veteran playing time. the complaint made no sense at the time, but it's starting to make perfect sense now. i think these guys already knew weeks ago that petrino wants to make this his team and he might just sacrifice anyone to make it so. we're starting to see the transition that alge complained about. i don't believe petrino is anywhere near done.

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