nickelplated38 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 they also have tom brady and randy moss.we have joey harrington and joe horn. say it ain't so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uup115 Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 they also have tom brady and randy moss.we have joey harrington and joe horn. they also have pocket qbs over 6 feet tall...unlike we did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 long is graded better than any other lt and is a consensus top 5 player.the same can be said of woodson. qbs have a better chance of slipping than lt's. the 2nd lt taken last year went at #5. the 2nd qb taken was in the 20's.there will be plenty of talented tackles available in the second round. there will be no qb in the second round that can sniff woodson's jock. he has everything scouts are looking for. great size, great arm, tough, smart. look at his td:int ratio. almost 7:1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 his td:int ratio is 7:1 with a decent o-line. with our o-line his play:injured ration would be about 1:1, his pass:sacked ratio would be 3:1, his pass:hurried ration would be 1:1, and his td:int ratio would drop to 1:1 or 2:1 if he's lucky.he wouldn't be playing behind this oline. we can address the oline via fa and the second round of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halsey Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 there's no rule aboue when to draft any position. you name a position and i canmake an argument for why you don't spend first round picks on it.qb: brady, romo, garrard, etc, etcrb: willie parker, brian westbrook, clinton portis, maurice jones-drew, marion barber, etcwr: chad johnson, to, steve smith, tj houshmanjdflso go ahead, make an argument that any certain position needs to be drafted in the first. i'll kill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halsey Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 ok i challenge you to find me a 2006 pro bowl lt that was voted in (not a replacement) and that wasn't drafted in the 1st.why only the 2006 pro bowl? don't want me to include marvel smith? the patriots and the steelers make 2 of the last 3 super bowl winners and they don't have a 1st rounder at lt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 if we don't get vick money we won't be able to afford much if anything in fa. so you want to entrust a 2nd round rookie ot with protecting woodson's blind side and leave mcclure and forney in the middle (or have mid round rookies)? doesn't sound like a good idea...you trust leftwich to stay healthy of harrington to play well? doesn't sound like a good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 ok i challenge you to find me a 2006 pro bowl lt that was voted in (not a replacement) and that wasn't drafted in the 1st.our goal should not be to send a lt to the pro bowl. our goal should be building a strong offensive line. look at 3 of the best lines in the nfl. they have one first rounder between them. 29th overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halsey Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 marvel smith was the 38th pick in the draft (nearly a 1st rounder) and wasn't voted into the 2006 pro bowl. the pats and colts also have very solid players across the board on their o-line. no complete studs but all very good.none of that changes my point: you can make an argument against any position being drafted in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencaman Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 when was blalock drafted?on friday?2nd round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki45toryu Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 i posted in another thread that the patriots have used the vast majority of their top 3 picks every draft on ol and dl since 2001. there were wr's, rb's, qb's, te's, and db's drafted too.....but the majoriy was ol and dl.they have only 1 wideout, 1 rb, and 2 te's left on their team with those high picks....all the others have moved on or washed out. they are great at drafting dl, ol, and db....but pathetic at every other skill position.they are amazing in fa though....amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 i see you need more examples... - o-line is the biggest problem on the team so it makes perfect sense that we use our 1st on the biggest problem area with a top 5 graded player.- cleveland took an lt with a high draft pick this past draft (and got a good og in fa), their offense went from 31st in 2006 to 7th in 2007 (at last check).- the rams lost their star lt for the season this year (pace) and their offense dropped from 6th in 2006 to 29th in 2007 (at last check).imagine if the colts lost manning, or if the pats lost brady, or if the falcons lost vick( ). qb is our biggest need, not lt. and, moreover, we can address the lt position without drafting a tackle in the top five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensewinscliche Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 steve's exactly right. the last thing you want to do is put andre woodson (or any rookie....or any qb) behind our line. it's really not fair to a qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evil emperor Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 ok i challenge you to find me a 2006 pro bowl lt that was voted in (not a replacement) and that wasn't drafted in the 1st.marcus mcneill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensewinscliche Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 marcus mcneill.but even marcus mcneil was thought to be a mid1st round talent that fell because of some back disorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 steve's exactly right. the last thing you want to do is put andre woodson (or any rookie....or any qb) behind our line. it's really not fair to a qb.he doesn't have to start immediately. we aren't drafting for immediate impact. we're drafting for long term success. no matter who we draft we'll probably still suck next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 harrington plays football like a girl. he'd probably be a great touch football player, but we're talking contact here. we need a real qb. leftwich is too injury prone unfortunately, but he'd make a great backup. draft andre woodsen, sign starks, draft a tackle at the top of the second (which will pracctically be another first rounder). let woodson sit until he adjusts. it will be worth it 2 years from now. if we don't draft a qb this year we'll prolong the rebuilding process. we are rebuilding. and we need a playmaker to build the offense around. we have two second round picks and plenty of cap space to address the offensive line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young_gsxr Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 dude is crying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 harrington is a little girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 let's look at the facts:- offensive line is the weakest link of the team. most falcon fans and anlaysts agree with that. if you don't believe me then read --> http://boards.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=277353- our starting lt is 36 and just had a major injury. our backup lt is a udfa, doesn't handle speed rushers well, and just had a major injury. - we might have a top 5 pick.- jake long is the only ot/o-lineman graded in the top 5 by most draft sites. conclusion: if jake long is available, you take him no questions asked. i'm not entirely convinced. personally, i'd play it that way. but if the fo says they have to have brohm, or ryan, or whoever, and they are convinced that this is our franchise qb, i can see taking a lt with our first 2nd rounder, or trading both 2nds to get back into the 1st, or taking unknown picks we get for a player (hall? crumpler? dunn?) to trade up into the 1st. i want a high lt, no doubt. but as long as our 1st 2 picks are lt, qb or qb, lt, i'm good with it.the key, i think, is to address both positions high in the draft. both are need positions, both have to be addressed with quality players.i honestly think the key will be who does the staff feel is more likely to slip, and of whoever slips, which position would we rather take in the 2nd. iow, i don't think they say "we want long, therefore we take qb in the 2nd." i think they say "we like long and brohm (say), but we think brennan (say) or the 4th best lt (say) will be available, and we'd rather have long/brennan (say) or brohm (say)/4th best lt.i think they look at the combo and decide which they'd rather have of who they think will be available with both picks.the only real exception i see to that is if petrino thinks brohm is the guy. if that's the case, we'll draft him because he could probably start next year and we'd have our franchise qb. if it's any other qb, i think they weigh it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playoffbound9 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 steve's exactly right. the last thing you want to do is put andre woodson (or any rookie....or any qb) behind our line. it's really not fair to a qb.the possiblity plato is presenting is that we:1 sign a rt (starks) in fa2 draft our franchise qb in the 1st3 draft a lt with our 2nd4 let the franchise qb sit and learn the offense for a year 5 let the new offensive line gelso we're looking at:qb - joey harrington/byron leftwichlt - whoever we draftlg - blaylockc - mcclurerg - forneyrt - starks/weinerthen in next years draft you draft your rg, you have depth, so you can let weiner go and you can draft your big back in the first and add depth to your offensive line.meaning you wind up withlt - who we drafted and who now has a year under his belt and knows the scheme.lg - blaylock with two years under his belt and knows the schemec - mcclure rg - rookie 2nd round pickrt - starks who now knows the schemenot to mention, now you have 4 guys who have worked together, know the scheme, and know the system.the general notion behind drafting quarterbacks is if you want a franchise quarterback, you draft him in the first. those are the more polished guys who have better tangibles. if you just need a back-up or a guy who may or may not pan out then draft them in whatever round. there were really two exceptions to this. tom brady and matt schaub. both had questionable injury problems, both shoulder related i believe. both are very good quarterbacks. drew brees was drafted to be a stop gap and the chargers went and drafted their franchise quarterback in the first round. brees turned out to be a really good quarterback. so if you want a franchise quarterback, you draft him in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 the possiblity plato is presenting is that we:1 sign a rt (starks) in fa2 draft our franchise qb in the 1st3 draft a lt with our 2nd4 let the franchise qb sit and learn the offense for a year 5 let the new offensive line gelso we're looking at:qb - joey harrington/byron leftwichlt - whoever we draftlg - blaylockc - mcclurerg - forneyrt - starks/weinerthen in next years draft you draft your rg, you have depth, so you can let weiner go and you can draft your big back in the first and add depth to your offensive line.meaning you wind up withlt - who we drafted and who now has a year under his belt and knows the scheme.lg - blaylock with two years under his belt and knows the schemec - mcclure rg - rookie 2nd round pickrt - starks who now knows the schemenot to mention, now you have 4 guys who have worked together, know the scheme, and know the system.the general notion behind drafting quarterbacks is if you want a franchise quarterback, you draft him in the first. those are the more polished guys who have better tangibles. if you just need a back-up or a guy who may or may not pan out then draft them in whatever round. there were really two exceptions to this. tom brady and matt schaub. both had questionable injury problems, both shoulder related i believe. both are very good quarterbacks. drew brees was drafted to be a stop gap and the chargers went and drafted their franchise quarterback in the first round. brees turned out to be a really good quarterback. so if you want a franchise quarterback, you draft him in the first round.good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordbyron2008 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 great thread.1)franchise qb2a)franchise ot2b)dt/hb3)hb/dt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 i don't think the fans or arthur blank have the patience for 2 horrible seasons.i don't think he has a choice. we are rebuilding. a rookie lt won't change that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 i don't care what round they went in...i care about if they're any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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