heretic Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 patriots depth chart lt matt light year:2001 round:2 pick:17lg logan mankins year:2005 round:1 pick:32c dan koppen year:2003 round:5 pick:29 rg stephen neal year: 2001 undrafted free agent rt nick kaczur year:2005 round:3 pick:36no pick in top 30 for the o-line of the team which will probably break dozens of passing records this season....i found it pretty interesting....edited:p.s. the colts are even worsecolts depth chart:lt tony ugoh year 2007: round 2 (42 overall) lg ryan lilja year 2004: udrafted free agent c jeff saturday year 1998: undrafted free agentrg jake scott year:2004 round:5 pick:9 rt ryan diem year:2001 round:4 pick:23thier highest pick was ugoh and we could have picked him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_big_pants Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 they also have tom brady and randy moss.we have joey harrington and joe horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 they also have tom brady and randy moss.we have joey harrington and joe horn. bingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 that coach they have seems to be pretty good at exploiting a team's weakness and or mismatch. that has to be factored in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 that looks like 3 first day picks and one 1st round pick to me... we haven't had a 1st round ol pick in 15 years. i don't think we have any first day ol picks right now... gandy was 1st round by someone else, but now he's gone, so...when was blalock drafted?on friday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 ya but they sure are doing a nice job:looks like 3 of those guys are holding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 that looks like 3 first day picks and one 1st round pick to me... we haven't had a 1st round ol pick in 15 years. i don't think we have any first day ol picks right now... gandy was 1st round by someone else, but now he's gone, so...blalock was in the 2nd round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 ya but they sure are doing a nice job:i'm not saying patriots o-line is weaki'm just saying that a team doesn't need to have 3 first rounders to have a strong o-line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 i've brought this up several times. the pats, colts and cowboys have one first round tackle between them, and that tackle was drafted at the end of the first round (29th). you don't have to draft a tackle in the top five to get a franchise tackle. i would love for us to trade down to about 12-15 and pick up cherilus. he's gonna be a great one. we'd have cherilus plus two more first day picks instead of long, who isn't much better than cherilus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 i'm not saying patriots o-line is weaki'm just saying that a team doesn't need to have 3 first rounders to have a strong o-linetrue........but maybe a team just needs somebody who is good at evaluating olinemen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 patriots depth chart lt matt light year:2001 round:2 pick:17lg logan mankins year:2005 round:1 pick:32c dan koppen year:2003 round:5 pick:29 rg stephen neal year: 2001 undrafted free agent rt nick kaczur year:2005 round:3 pick:36no pick in top 30 for the o-line of the team which will probably break dozens of passing records this season....i found it pretty interesting....how many other great offensive lines have no first round talent.brady himself was a 6th rounder.people need to stop pointing out a phenomena as gospel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 i'm not saying patriots o-line is weaki'm just saying that a team doesn't need to have 3 first rounders to have a strong o-lineno... but they do have to have good olineman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 true........but maybe a team just needs somebody who is good at evaluating olinemen? naybe a team just need somebody who is good at evaluating any football player (kickers included...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesouphead Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 naybe a team just need somebody who is good at evaluating any football player (kickers included...) kickers? who needs kickers? why go after a kicker when you can just wait until the first few games have been played and you can call up a guy older than the franchise to handle the duties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 they are the patriots, they are allowed. did you see randy moss push the defender off on his first td on sunday?randy has always been doing that. all great receivers do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bird backer Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 when are people going to realize that all the o-lineman we have besides blaylock were drafted specifically for the zone blocking scheme that alex gibbs ran. by the way those guy did very well in that system as it is well documented that we lead the league in rushing for three years. they were not drafted for their ablility to pass block. mckay drafted what the former coaching staff wanted - hello!!!!!!! now we have totally changed the scheme - there's a learning curve for that. not to mention that we don't have the people we want in there - we'll have to rebuild our o-line. it takes time for that - a couple of years probably - especially with everything else we need qb, rb, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 when are people going to realizequick answer? never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 drafting long with our first pick would be a mistake. we aren't ready to contend and we need a playmakes to build the offense around. we can pick up good linemen in fa this year (starks, faneca etc) but we can't pick up a franchise qb. we need a qb to build around. woodson is that guy imo if we can't trade down.draft woodson, draft a lt at the top of the second, draft james davis with the other second rounder, sign starks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabba63@aol.com Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 it's not the rounds they were chosen in...compare our ol (with the exception of the ones petrino brought in this year) to the patriots by height and weight. i bet they're all over 300+ lbs and none of these 200+ lb alex gibb olinemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 2nd round. we have 0 first round players on our o-line right now.just like the colts? colts depth chart:lt tony ugoh year 2007: round 2 (42 overall) lg ryan lilja year 2004: udrafted free agent c jeff saturday year 1998: undrafted free agentrg jake scott year:2004 round:5 pick:9 rt ryan diem year:2001 round:4 pick:23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensewinscliche Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 i dont think anyone is arguing that we need 5 first round picks on the oline. but talent and size would be nice.i dont know why you would use the pats as your example either. they have 3 first day picks on their ol. that's what we need to do. spend some first day picks on ol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 drafting long with our first pick would be a mistake. we aren't ready to contend and we need a playmakes to build the offense around. we can pick up good linemen in fa this year (starks, faneca etc) but we can't pick up a franchise qb. we need a qb to build around. woodson is that guy imo if we can't trade down.draft woodson, draft a lt at the top of the second, draft james davis with the other second rounder, sign starks.drafting woodson with our first pick would be a mistake. we aren't ready to contend because we can't protect anyone holding the football and we need bodies that can block. we can pick up good qb in fa this year (mcnabb, derek anderson) but we can't pick up a franchise lt. draft long, draft a qb at the top of the second,... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensewinscliche Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 drafting long with our first pick would be a mistake. we aren't ready to contend and we need a playmakes to build the offense around. we can pick up good linemen in fa this year (starks, faneca etc) but we can't pick up a franchise qb. we need a qb to build around. woodson is that guy imo if we can't trade down.draft woodson, draft a lt at the top of the second, draft james davis with the other second rounder, sign starks.um. you build a team around the line. not around playmakers. we have playmakers. we dont have a solid core on offense. we have guys who can make plays. that's not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heretic Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 i dont think anyone is arguing that we need 5 first round picks on the oline. but talent and size would be nice.i dont know why you would use the pats as your example either. they have 3 first day picks on their ol. that's what we need to do. spend some first day picks on ol.i bet the colts have the same problem...colts depth chart:lt tony ugoh year 2007: round 2 (42 overall) lg ryan lilja year 2004: udrafted free agent c jeff saturday year 1998: undrafted free agentrg jake scott year:2004 round:5 pick:9 rt ryan diem year:2001 round:4 pick:23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troubleman Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 when are people going to realize that all the o-lineman we have besides blaylock were drafted specifically for the zone blocking scheme that alex gibbs ran. by the way those guy did very well in that system as it is well documented that we lead the league in rushing for three years. they were not drafted for their ablility to pass block. mckay drafted what the former coaching staff wanted - hello!!!!!!! now we have totally changed the scheme - there's a learning curve for that. not to mention that we don't have the people we want in there - we'll have to rebuild our o-line. it takes time for that - a couple of years probably - especially with everything else we need qb, rb, etc...i disagree. todd weiner, forney, and mcclure are all dan reeves picks/free agents signings, and alex gibbs didn't become ol coach until 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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