will the falcons show some guts and prove they care about winning more than politics?

[halsey]

..not focus on trying to pretend they can compete for the playoffs this year or a super bowl next. the falcons need to focus on developing thier young talent and bringing in more young talent in the offseason. that means some vets are going to have to go. doing so will ruffle feathers and invite criticm, but that's the nature of the business. some things the falcons can do in the upcoming offseason to make thier team competitive for more than just 1 year out of every 5:

-veterans on the roster who won't be difference makers 2 years from now should be let go. i'm talking about dunn, milloy, brooking, horn, grady jackson, rod coleman, and maybe even alge. all these guys have made good money for and from the falcons, but they should not be part of a long term building process. all of them should be able to make someone else's roster for less money than what they are making now. yes, it will ruffle some feathers, hurt some feelings and cause salary cap problems for a while. life is tough and then you die. it's time for some drastic changes.

-start building from the inside out. in other words: focus on the oline, defensive front seven and finding franchise qb.

-stop be wh0r3s to poilitics of any kind or public perception. that means things like:

-building to win first, not to create hype first. winning will sell tickets. you don't need to create hype and sell jerseys through flashy players if you're winning

-ignore the race politics that come into play with things like who the starting qb is. people who back a certain qb because of his race are idiots. it's easy to see

that some fans feel the falcons qb needs to be of a certain race for whatever reasons. the falcons need a qb who can lead the offense to first downs and td's while being able to avoid health and legal problems.

[thenfl]

..not focus on trying to pretend they can compete for the playoffs this year or a super bowl next. the falcons need to focus on developing thier young talent and bringing in more young talent in the offseason. that means some vets are going to have to go. doing so will ruffle feathers and invite criticm, but that's the nature of the business. some things the falcons can do in the upcoming offseason to make thier team competitive for more than just 1 year out of every 5:

-veterans on the roster who won't be difference makers 2 years from now should be let go. i'm talking about dunn, milloy, brooking, horn, grady jackson, rod coleman, and maybe even alge. all these guys have made good money for and from the falcons, but they should not be part of a long term building process. all of them should be able to make someone else's roster for less money than what they are making now. yes, it will ruffle some feathers, hurt some feelings and cause salary cap problems for a while. life is tough and then you die. it's time for some drastic changes.

-start building from the inside out. in other words: focus on the oline, defensive front seven and finding franchise qb.

-stop be wh0r3s to poilitics of any kind or public perception. that means things like:

-building to win first, not to create hype first. winning will sell tickets. you don't need to create hype and sell jerseys through flashy players if you're winning

-ignore the race politics that come into play with things like who the starting qb is. people who back a certain qb because of his race are idiots. it's easy to see

that some fans feel the falcons qb needs to be of a certain race for whatever reasons. the falcons need a qb who can lead the offense to first td's while being able to avoid health and legal problems.

i agree atl isnt getting nearly what they paid for out of those guys. atl should go back to their 30 year plan for rebuilding the franchise.

[halsey]

i wonder if the falcons tried anything at the trade deadline. i would have been nice to see them pull off something like the dolphins did. maybe the falcons just don't have any desirable vets.

[msct]

quit crying. this is exactly what you asked for. the falcons sold tickets b/c vick won games, not b/c of the flash. you need playmakers to win. guys like brady, moss, peyton, along w/ a good ol and dl. this team only lived off of the qb being a playmaker (crump, d.hall and abe also but abe and crump always injuried) and the fans like you hate playmakers.

you would rather dump d.hall than contend.

this is your dream team, this is what you wanted. no vick, qb that just manages the game, etc etc.

the grass is always greener on the other side. lol

[jayvee]

quit crying. this is exactly what you asked for. the falcons sold tickets b/c vick won games, not b/c of the flash. you need playmakers to win. guys like brady, moss, peyton, along w/ a good ol and dl. this team only lived off of the qb being a playmaker (crump, d.hall and abe also but abe and crump always injuried) and the fans like you hate playmakers.

you would rather dump d.hall than contend.

this is your dream team, this is what you wanted. no vick, qb that just manages the game, etc etc.

the grass is always greener on the other side. lol

great post. thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy.

i don't want to hear all the whining from those folks either.

[ggarcia]

unfortunately, you are absolutely right. since the falcons will not get cap relief until vick returns part of his signing bonus, it is a fair conclusion to say that the falcons will be restricted.

cap casualties will abound. capologist could probably give us a run down of how each player affects the cap and of how letting them go would impact the cap.

i think that brooking recently renegotiated his contract, so i don't think that he will be let go.

dunn is due something like $7million next season, so i would think that he will be allowed to leave.

milloy probably does not have much left on his contract. he might be kept as cheap veteran leadership.

crumpler is only 29 years old and still has a lot to offer. the te is apparently not a featured position in petrino's offense, so for the good of the team's cap space (in the future) and for crumpler's future, it might be smart to trade crump. since the falcons were interested in andrew walter this offseason, a trade might work out for both teams. knapp runs the offense in oakland and he certainly would like to see crump come in. by working such a trade, the falcons would avoid losing crump in free agency without compensation. (i don't know when he qualifies for fa, but it can't be that far off) the cap impact of taking walter should be low.....certainly lower than drafting a first round qb.

grady jackson has been pretty steady, despite his age. i would keep him, but we will need to draft a big dt....dorsey is at the top of my list. coleman is an impact player, but he has been hobled by injuries two years in a row. i would still keep him. if he is allowed to see only limitted play this season, the rest should allow him to heal and come back next season ready to dominate again.

i am happy to see so many people talk about building better lines. that is the key to winning in this game.

[halsey]

getting some cap room back from the vick mistake will go a long way towards rebuilding. the falcons will be able to resign guys like boley and d hall while also being active in free agency. the falcons have so many holes there are bound to be players on the market that can help.

[halsey]

unfortunately, you are absolutely right. since the falcons will not get cap relief until vick returns part of his signing bonus, it is a fair conclusion to say that the falcons will be restricted.

cap casualties will abound. capologist could probably give us a run down of how each player affects the cap and of how letting them go would impact the cap.

i think that brooking recently renegotiated his contract, so i don't think that he will be let go.

dunn is due something like $7million next season, so i would think that he will be allowed to leave.

milloy probably does not have much left on his contract. he might be kept as cheap veteran leadership.

crumpler is only 29 years old and still has a lot to offer. the te is apparently not a featured position in petrino's offense, so for the good of the team's cap space (in the future) and for crumpler's future, it might be smart to trade crump. since the falcons were interested in andrew walter this offseason, a trade might work out for both teams. knapp runs the offense in oakland and he certainly would like to see crump come in. by working such a trade, the falcons would avoid losing crump in free agency without compensation. (i don't know when he qualifies for fa, but it can't be that far off) the cap impact of taking walter should be low.....certainly lower than drafting a first round qb.

grady jackson has been pretty steady, despite his age. i would keep him, but we will need to draft a big dt....dorsey is at the top of my list. coleman is an impact player, but he has been hobled by injuries two years in a row. i would still keep him. if he is allowed to see only limitted play this season, the rest should allow him to heal and come back next season ready to dominate again.

i am happy to see so many people talk about building better lines. that is the key to winning in this game.

i though milloy signed a 2 year deal? i could be wrong.

[defensewinscliche]

speaking of glenn dorsey... is there any word on what happened to his knee after that blatent chop block? it looked terrible live, and on the replay.

btw. did anyone see dorsey send that auburn guard airborne on that one running play? maybe the single mose awesome run defence by a dt i've ever seen.

[defensewinscliche]

i though milloy signed a 2 year deal? i could be wrong.

i think it was 3. but i could be wrong too.

[thenfl]

i wonder if the falcons tried anything at the trade deadline. i would have been nice to see them pull off something like the dolphins did. maybe the falcons just don't have any desirable vets.

you would like to see atl trade their #1 reciever and get only a 2nd round for it? miami started a different player at fs the first 4 weeks of the season. i think they could at least got some depth for chambers.

[me4falcons]

..not focus on trying to pretend they can compete for the playoffs this year or a super bowl next. the falcons need to focus on developing thier young talent and bringing in more young talent in the offseason. that means some vets are going to have to go. doing so will ruffle feathers and invite criticm, but that's the nature of the business. some things the falcons can do in the upcoming offseason to make thier team competitive for more than just 1 year out of every 5:

-veterans on the roster who won't be difference makers 2 years from now should be let go. i'm talking about dunn, milloy, brooking, horn, grady jackson, rod coleman, and maybe even alge. all these guys have made good money for and from the falcons, but they should not be part of a long term building process. all of them should be able to make someone else's roster for less money than what they are making now. yes, it will ruffle some feathers, hurt some feelings and cause salary cap problems for a while. life is tough and then you die. it's time for some drastic changes.

-start building from the inside out. in other words: focus on the oline, defensive front seven and finding franchise qb.

-stop be wh0r3s to poilitics of any kind or public perception. that means things like:

-building to win first, not to create hype first. winning will sell tickets. you don't need to create hype and sell jerseys through flashy players if you're winning

-ignore the race politics that come into play with things like who the starting qb is. people who back a certain qb because of his race are idiots. it's easy to see

that some fans feel the falcons qb needs to be of a certain race for whatever reasons. the falcons need a qb who can lead the offense to first downs and td's while being able to avoid health and legal problems.

finally something we can agree on. dunn, milloy, brooking, horn, gravy, coleman are vets that i believe are stealing money.

also for the first time i am starting to wonder about d. hall.

[halsey]

you would like to see atl trade their #1 reciever and get only a 2nd round for it?

no, because the falcons #1 wr isn't past his prime.

[beantownfalc]

..not focus on trying to pretend they can compete for the playoffs this year or a super bowl next. the falcons need to focus on developing thier young talent and bringing in more young talent in the offseason. that means some vets are going to have to go. doing so will ruffle feathers and invite criticm, but that's the nature of the business. some things the falcons can do in the upcoming offseason to make thier team competitive for more than just 1 year out of every 5:

-veterans on the roster who won't be difference makers 2 years from now should be let go. i'm talking about dunn, milloy, brooking, horn, grady jackson, rod coleman, and maybe even alge. all these guys have made good money for and from the falcons, but they should not be part of a long term building process. all of them should be able to make someone else's roster for less money than what they are making now. yes, it will ruffle some feathers, hurt some feelings and cause salary cap problems for a while. life is tough and then you die. it's time for some drastic changes.

-start building from the inside out. in other words: focus on the oline, defensive front seven and finding franchise qb.

-stop be wh0r3s to poilitics of any kind or public perception. that means things like:

-building to win first, not to create hype first. winning will sell tickets. you don't need to create hype and sell jerseys through flashy players if you're winning

-ignore the race politics that come into play with things like who the starting qb is. people who back a certain qb because of his race are idiots. it's easy to see

that some fans feel the falcons qb needs to be of a certain race for whatever reasons. the falcons need a qb who can lead the offense to first downs and td's while being able to avoid health and legal problems.

your 2nd of the day! keep it up

[halsey]

michael jenkins must be coming to the end of his contract in the next couple of years. he's nothing special so he might as well be allwed to walk unless can be kept for cheap.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

..not focus on trying to pretend they can compete for the playoffs this year or a super bowl next. the falcons need to focus on developing thier young talent and bringing in more young talent in the offseason. that means some vets are going to have to go. doing so will ruffle feathers and invite criticm, but that's the nature of the business. some things the falcons can do in the upcoming offseason to make thier team competitive for more than just 1 year out of every 5:

-veterans on the roster who won't be difference makers 2 years from now should be let go. i'm talking about dunn, milloy, brooking, horn, grady jackson, rod coleman, and maybe even alge. all these guys have made good money for and from the falcons, but they should not be part of a long term building process. all of them should be able to make someone else's roster for less money than what they are making now. yes, it will ruffle some feathers, hurt some feelings and cause salary cap problems for a while. life is tough and then you die. it's time for some drastic changes.

-start building from the inside out. in other words: focus on the oline, defensive front seven and finding franchise qb.

-stop be wh0r3s to poilitics of any kind or public perception. that means things like:

-building to win first, not to create hype first. winning will sell tickets. you don't need to create hype and sell jerseys through flashy players if you're winning

-ignore the race politics that come into play with things like who the starting qb is. people who back a certain qb because of his race are idiots. it's easy to see

that some fans feel the falcons qb needs to be of a certain race for whatever reasons. the falcons need a qb who can lead the offense to first downs and td's while being able to avoid health and legal problems.

i'll tell ya what....two weeks ago i would have been pretty much against this but now i'm almost all for it. i think alge should get the benefit of the doubt to see if he can avoid the knee problems of the last two years and get back on track. i think a legit te target who can also block is a rare commodity in this league and since we already have him signed for a bit theres no reason to cut him so we can try to fill another need (unless we get solid on milner).

dunn is beat....its over. brooking is looking long in the tooth...rc needs to show he can get healthy and play at a high level by years end or he should be out the door too.

its discouraging to see the numerous holes this team has to fille across the board but with our bounty of picks we can hopefully accomplish that. we drafted very well this past draft now we need another very solid draft. the fact is all these games have been very winnable and a few key upgrades (ol, rb, qb) should be able to push us up a bit.

[thefisherman]

everytime it looks like we're making strides in the right direction, something comes along and knock us right back into the present. it's like we are cursed, and it's really hard to understand.

[halsey]

that's one step in the right direction.

[Mr. Offseason]

besides brooking and dunn, i wouldn't be upset to see alge let go. he hasn't done anything but drop balls, and his health seems to be deteriorating every game. martrez milner is a better te in my opinion.

you think milner is better than alge, and you site dropped passes as the reason why???

and milner isnt nearly the blocker alge is.

that said, grady already got axed, id like to see coleman axed also. gandy needs to be cut and i wouldnt be hurt if mcclure got cut and we brought in a real center and drafted a backup (unless we like datish that much).

but you are dead on with building the oline, the front 7 and the qb. thats what i target with every single draft i make.

and for that same reason, we need to keep boley and deangelo hall here for a looong time. losing either one of them would create a huge hole in either the secondary (which is already not playign very well) and in the front 7. and with a defense that has showed a lot of promise this year imo, we should definately look to fill holes and maintain our level of performance with our other players by retaining them.