penn state Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 a lot of people thought the running game would improve with byron playing. the thinking was that he would be able to stretch the defense with the longer passing game, and the safties would have to back up a few steps. it's just one game, but it doesn't look like the running game improved at all. we were averaging 90 yards a game, and yesterday i think we had 75. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belgium01 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 a lot of people thought the running game would improve with byron playing. the thinking was that he would be able to stretch the defense with the longer passing game, and the safties would have to back up a few steps. it's just one game, but it doesn't look like the running game improved at all. we were averaging 90 yards a game, and yesterday i think we had 75. i don't know how much you guys expect out of a veteran weighing 180 pounds with an offensive line full of rookies, it's not that easy to run when you don't have blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savannah ga Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 people have to consider that vick opened up the running game for dunn. he (dunn) has never been able to get us the critical yards at critical times consistently.i still like him situationally....but not as the feature, full time starter. i'm not even convinced that norwood is that type of back on a full time basis.i really wish we could find someone like marion barber........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlfalcon78 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 maybe my perspective was off later in the game but did it seem dunn ran harder during the 1st half than the 2nd half? dunn seemed to stop trying to break tackles as much as earlier in the game but then again, once joey was in there were a lot of dunn up the middle runs contrary to the first half. i personally think the saints adjusted during the half and we didn't compensate for it. with bryon in the game during his short stint in the 2nd half, it seemed the offensive line was getting beat badly and beginning to deflat in the attitude arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev_Hal Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i don't mean to sound like a broken record, but this team is not going to get any better in the running game until we can upgade the ol. period. no qb is going to make a difference in how pathetic our running game is.end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSan Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i was wondering this myself...why is the coaching staff so quick to pull the trigger on the qb, but so cautious about the rb position.petrino was talking about "needing a spark." sorry, but i think jerious gives more of a spark than leftwich does. not trying to question petrino's ability to coach, i just don't understand it. guess that's why i don't get paid the big bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savannah ga Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i was wondering this myself...why is the coaching staff so quick to pull the trigger on the qb, but so cautious about the rb position.petrino was talking about "needing a spark." sorry, but i think jerious gives more of a spark than leftwich does. not trying to question petrino's ability to coach, i just don't understand it. guess that's why i don't get paid the big bucks.good question...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red2play Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i was wondering this myself...why is the coaching staff so quick to pull the trigger on the qb, but so cautious about the rb position.petrino was talking about "needing a spark." sorry, but i think jerious gives more of a spark than leftwich does. not trying to question petrino's ability to coach, i just don't understand it. guess that's why i don't get paid the big bucks.norwood really can't block that well at all. therefore you see a lot of busted plays because of it. help the running game, kill the passing game and rhythm and all. since we aren't in playoff contention, i would say that we should start him though.the running game was used less on sunday. i would guess it had more to do with the holding penalties than with anything else. kinda hard to take a chance with a short run on 2nd and 15 than 2 and 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSan Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 norwood really can't block that well at all. therefore you see a lot of busted plays because of it. help the running game, kill the passing game and rhythm and all. since we aren't in playoff contention, i would say that we should start him though.the running game was used less on sunday. i would guess it had more to do with the holding penalties than with anything else. kinda hard to take a chance with a short run on 2nd and 15 than 2 and 5.well, the blocking is the popular opinion, but i haven't seen any of it. i also haven't seen dunn blocking all that well this year. regardless of that, you find a way to give your best playmaker the ball more than 10 or 15 times a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signout Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 maybe my perspective was off later in the game but did it seem dunn ran harder during the 1st half than the 2nd half? dunn seemed to stop trying to break tackles as much as earlier in the game but then again, once joey was in there were a lot of dunn up the middle runs contrary to the first half. i personally think the saints adjusted during the half and we didn't compensate for it. with bryon in the game during his short stint in the 2nd half, it seemed the offensive line was getting beat badly and beginning to deflat in the attitude arena.it wasn't your imagination. we dominated the top in the first half with leftwich 20:34 to 9:26. we had 210 yards in the 1st half and kept no offense off the field. we also had 15 carries for 72 yards in the first half. in the second half:w/ leftwich.1-10-atl 20 (10:15) 4-b.leftwich fumbles (aborted) at atl 17, recovered by atl-34-o.mughelli at atl 17. 34-o.mughelli to atl 17 for no gain (99-h.thomas). w/ harrington2-5-atl 25 (7:56) 28-w.dunn right guard to atl 23 for -2 yards (94-c.grant). 1-10-atl 31 (6:40) 28-w.dunn right guard to atl 30 for -1 yards (94-c.grant, 58-s.shanle). 1-10-no 33 (4:54) (shotgun) 28-w.dunn right guard to no 36 for -3 yards (91-w.smith). injury update - atlanta #4 byron leftwich, right ankle sprain, questionable to return. 2-13-no 36 (4:17) (shotgun) 13-j.harrington aborted. 62-t.mcclure fumbles at atl 48, recovered by atl-28-w.dunn at atl 48. 28-w.dunn to atl 48 for no gain (97-j.cooper). 2-5-no 35 (:16) 32-j.norwood left end pushed ob at no 35 for no gain (21-j.craft). 1-7-no 7 (11:38) 32-j.norwood right guard to no 6 for 1 yard (91-w.smith, 99-h.thomas). 2-6-no 6 (11:06) 32-j.norwood right guard to no 3 for 3 yards (66-b.young). i think that is all the rushing we have in the 2nd half. we end up with 24 carries and 75 yards so it means we had 9 carries for 3 yards in the 2nd half? i can't seem to find one more rushing attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlfalcon78 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 it wasn't your imagination. we dominated the top in the first half with leftwich 20:34 to 9:26. we had 210 yards in the 1st half and kept no offense off the field. we also had 15 carries for 72 yards in the first half. in the second half:2-5-atl 25 (7:56) 28-w.dunn right guard to atl 23 for -2 yards (94-c.grant). 1-10-atl 31 (6:40) 28-w.dunn right guard to atl 30 for -1 yards (94-c.grant, 58-s.shanle). 1-10-no 33 (4:54) (shotgun) 28-w.dunn right guard to no 36 for -3 yards (91-w.smith). no 35 (:16) 32-j.norwood left end pushed ob at no 35 for no gain (21-j.craft). 1-7-no 7 (11:38) 32-j.norwood right guard to no 6 for 1 yard (91-w.smith, 99-h.thomas). 2-6-no 6 (11:06) 32-j.norwood right guard to no 3 for 3 yards (66-b.young).so we ran at the rg position after joey came in and petrino wonder's why our run game sux. there was only 1 run to the left for no gain but the norwood td from a week ago went off rt. what the **** happened to that play this week? even with dunn, you might be able to get some yards but up the gut with no's bigger dline isn't going to work unless we cut block.go figure - petrino in my opinion isn't trying to win anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penn state Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 norwood really can't block that well at all. therefore you see a lot of busted plays because of it. help the running game, kill the passing game and rhythm and all. since we aren't in playoff contention, i would say that we should start him though.the running game was used less on sunday. i would guess it had more to do with the holding penalties than with anything else. kinda hard to take a chance with a short run on 2nd and 15 than 2 and 5.if i counted right, we only had one holding penalty.we did have four false starts, one illeagal shift, and one illegal formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savannah ga Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 truthi really think we need to take care of it on both ends......ol upgrades and an every down back. i'm not satisfied on either end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formul8or Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 what's with not think norwood can carry a load? he knocked saints down like little kids on his runs to the outside. he played in the sec on a crappy team and took the punishment while still breaking school records. he weighs just as much as mcfadden, he is only a little shorter.c'mon norwood is our answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki45toryu Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i really dont even care if dunn keeps starting....so long as norwood is in on the majority of drives. he still isnt after all this time this season. there was a drive yesterday that dunn had 4 carries on that yielded like 7 total yards, and they still wouldnt rotate in norwood on the drive. it was the one that "our best lineman mcclure" helped the saints out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red2play Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 if i counted right, we only had one holding penalty.we did have four false starts, one illeagal shift, and one illegal formation.yes, you are correct but the false starts and holding penalties were drive killers.first drive third play, false startthird drive, holdingforth drive, 2nd quarter, false startfifth drive false start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swishersweets Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 i don't mean to sound like a broken record, but this team is not going to get any better in the running game until we can upgade the ol. period. no qb is going to make a difference in how pathetic our running game is.end of story.so starting a rb who's averaging almost 6 ypc over a guy who can barely get 3 is not going to improve our running?!??!yes i get it- the o-line sucks and our success as an offense is going to be limited by that. but all this "it doesn't matter who runs for our team behind that line" crap has to stop!it is completely unacceptable for norwood to only get 6 carries (again!). start norwood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Wolf Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 what's with not think norwood can carry a load? he knocked saints down like little kids on his runs to the outside. he played in the sec on a crappy team and took the punishment while still breaking school records. he weighs just as much as mcfadden, he is only a little shorter.c'mon norwood is our answer.you want to be thought of as the mississippi st of the nfl?norwood is not your answer. your answer is two or three big decent linemen. norwood tries carrying the load behind what your fielding right now and he'll be on ir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formul8or Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 you want to be thought of as the mississippi st of the nfl?norwood is not your answer. your answer is two or three big decent linemen. norwood tries carrying the load behind what your fielding right now and he'll be on ir.we are the miss. state of the nfl, and norwood is still doing amazing things with so little just like he did in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Wolf Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 we are the miss. state of the nfl, and norwood is still doing amazing things with so little just like he did in college.no, miami is the nd of football, st. louis is the miss st., and you...?hummmm, unc maybe. mostly playing tight but still losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sensei Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 norwood really can't block that well at all. therefore you see a lot of busted plays because of it. help the running game, kill the passing game and rhythm and all. since we aren't in playoff contention, i would say that we should start him though.the running game was used less on sunday. i would guess it had more to do with the holding penalties than with anything else. kinda hard to take a chance with a short run on 2nd and 15 than 2 and 5.norwood can block; he did well yesterday but still only getting 5 or 6 carries. don't blame the sack on leftwich on him either because there were 2 players going free so you can't expect him to pick up 2 (he did block one though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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