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adrian peterson ripped the bears to shreds in chicago-- on the road. minnesota doesn't have a great offensive line, their qb is rather young and pedestrian in tavaris jackson, their wrs (williamson) have been similar to ours (jenkins, white). however, adrian peterson was able to run through the bears defense like it was nothing.

adrian also did this against the falcons. he ran for a 100 yards and had a game breaking 60 yard td reception..

peterson has four 100-yard this year with a mediocre offensive line, a mediocre qb (tavaris jackson) and bad wrs..

peterson received criticism for being injury prone in college, but he is definitely a nfl pro bowl calibur talent.

peterson makes plays. dunn does not. end of story.

people say let's focus with the o-line first and get a real qb (later), but everybody knew the vikings were going to run and proceeded in doing so. people are saying let's get a young o-linemen in the first round, but we need playmakers from the qb and rb position.

the falcons need better coaching and better personnel at the rb/qb position.

our qb must be mobile and don't get rattled under pressure and we need a rb who can run inside and outside.

the falcons are not going to have a perfect offensive line anytime soon. vick adjusted and the next qb has to as well. and the rb has to adjust in much the same way adrian peterson has.

warrick dunn has told the ajc he isn't too old and it is not his fault thathe hasn't been productive.

at what point, is he going to take responsibility for his performances or lack of production?

i hope warrick has his breakout game vs. the giants, but at some point the same questions that harrington has endured about him starting should definitely apply dunn at some point..

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they at least an above average oline which is ten times better than our ######ty oline.

in all due respect, what is your definition of an above-average offensive line..?

what does minnesota have that the sh#### falcons don't?

have the falcons ever had an above average o-line in 2004, 2005 and 2006 when we had vick and the number one running game?

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an o-line with bryant mckinnie, steve hutchinson, and matt birk is above average

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these guys were part of the o-line in 2004 who went to a nfc championship game and part of the team that had the number one running game for the past three years.. this is something that doesn't happen by accident..

is it the talent on the o-line exclusively or isn't the talent at the rb and qb positions?

if our running backs were better, would our o-line be better or perceived better?

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adrian peterson does not play for the falcons. just because you saw him have a great game yesterday does not mean that crying and fussing will suddenly make him a falcon. and stop being dumb about offensive lines. rb's do not block for themsleves. there's a reason steve hutchinson, matt burk and bryant mckinnie are among the highest paid players at thier positions.

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adrian peterson does not play for the falcons. just because you saw him have a great game yesterday does not mean that crying and fussing will suddenly make him a falcon. and stop being dumb about offensive lines. rb's do not block for themsleves. there's a reason steve hutchinson, matt burk and bryant mckinnie are among the highest paid players at thier positions.

i think the board filter does not allow you to register anymore if you use logic.

wtf?

if ap is getting hit on the majority of his carries by defensive linemen in the backfield, maybe, just maybe he'd be slightly less productive. its a wild hunch. and his left guard is just the guy that got paid the highest salary for a g in nfl history because, well, he was considered to be that good. and sea's run game hasn't been the same since he left, walter jones notwithstanding.

lol.

one of our best ol is a rookie from the top part of the 2nd round.

we're even. yeh.

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adrian peterson does not play for the falcons. just because you saw him have a great game yesterday does not mean that crying and fussing will suddenly make him a falcon. and stop being dumb about offensive lines. rb's do not block for themsleves. there's a reason steve hutchinson, matt burk and bryant mckinnie are among the highest paid players at thier positions.

adrian peterson is definitely not a falcon, but there has to be some accountability from the rb position.

minnesota has some high priced players, but mckay invested money into our o-line and gave extensions to some of these guys.

rbs do not block for themselves(that's one thing you got right).. their first/ primary responsibility is to run the football.

and warrick is among the highest paid starting rbs, but one of the least productive.

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these guys were part of the o-line in 2004 who went to a nfc championship game and part of the team that had the number one running game for the past three years.. this is something that doesn't happen by accident..

is it the talent on the o-line exclusively or isn't the talent at the rb and qb positions?

if our running backs were better, would our o-line be better or perceived better?

we had the best running game for the same reason we had a horrible passing game.

our qb.

with a full time spy on vick in every game, and the defensive co-ordinators refusal to stack the box or implement man to man blitzs due to the fact that vick was so mobile allowed the oline to simply outnumber the box. thats how we had a great running game.

but the trade off was, they could zone coverage us in the backfield and with vicks poor throwing could man to man as well. we where a one sided team.

this is a rebuilding year, everyone needs to stop looking for sacraficial lambs.

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adrian peterson is definitely not a falcon, but there has to be some accountability from the rb position.

minnesota has some high priced players, but mckay invested money into our o-line and gave extensions to some of these guys.

rbs do not block for themselves(that's one thing you got right).. their first/ primary responsibility is to run the football.

and warrick is among the highest paid starting rbs, but one of the least productive.

why are you bothering? you have lost this argument before anyone even replied. minnesota's players are paid more because they are, well better players.

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these guys were part of the o-line in 2004 who went to a nfc championship game and part of the team that had the number one running game for the past three years.. this is something that doesn't happen by accident..

is it the talent on the o-line exclusively or isn't the talent at the rb and qb positions?

if our running backs were better, would our o-line be better or perceived better?

theres a reason steve hutchinson was given a massive contract....theres a reason bryant mckinnie won an outland trophy....theres a reason matt birk is a 5 time pro bowler. they are simply better than our guys. it goes beyond perception. the vikings have been mediocre for 5 years yet everyone still recognizes the fact that they have an excellent o line. our line has never been a strong point of the team. it looked succesful because it was a very good zone blocking line but at 285 you havent got much of a chance of getting a push on 3rd and 1 facing d linemen that out weigh you by 30 pounds.

our ol would be perceived better if they actually showed up and played better.

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in all due respect, what is your definition of an above-average offensive line..?

what does minnesota have that the sh#### falcons don't?

have the falcons ever had an above average o-line in 2004, 2005 and 2006 when we had vick and the number one running game?

mckinney (who handled abraham pretty well that game). and mr. steve hutchinson the guy who was largely responsible for shaun alexander's 25 tds in one season 2-3 years ago. since he left seattle has not had much of a run game. he is the game's best offensive guard. him an mckinney play on the left side. i believe almost all of peterson's runs were to the left side.

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in all due respect, what is your definition of an above-average offensive line..?

what does minnesota have that the sh#### falcons don't?

have the falcons ever had an above average o-line in 2004, 2005 and 2006 when we had vick and the number one running game?

a guy name steve huchinson to start. the vikes have one of the best run blocking lines in the nfl. just look what chester taylor did last year and hes not half the talent of ap. 04 05 06 we had two things a scrambling qb and a zone blocking system which our current line aside from blalock is more suited for.

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we had the best running game for the same reason we had a horrible passing game.

our qb.

with a full time spy on vick in every game, and the defensive co-ordinators refusal to stack the box or implement man to man blitzs due to the fact that vick was so mobile allowed the oline to simply outnumber the box. thats how we had a great running game.

but the trade off was, they could zone coverage us in the backfield and with vicks poor throwing could man to man as well. we where a one sided team.

this is a rebuilding year, everyone needs to stop looking for sacraficial lambs.

100% correct post

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we had the best running game for the same reason we had a horrible passing game.

our qb.

with a full time spy on vick in every game, and the defensive co-ordinators refusal to stack the box or implement man to man blitzs due to the fact that vick was so mobile allowed the oline to simply outnumber the box. thats how we had a great running game.

but the trade off was, they could zone coverage us in the backfield and with vicks poor throwing could man to man as well. we where a one sided team.

this is a rebuilding year, everyone needs to stop looking for sacraficial lambs.

vick was a capable passer with inconsistent wrs.

if we have a bad passer (as you say), then we should have been easier to defend against the run in 2004, 2005, 2006.

you can't have it both ways.

either you have to credit this offensive line for opening holes (doing their jobs) and/or give credit for throwing the ball well enough by vick to keep this offense functional the previous three years.

we're one sided because we are a team in denial and a poorly coached team with subpar personnel at the running back position, and now at the quarterback position (even though he has prettier fantasy football stats) ..

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mckinney (who handled abraham pretty well that game). and mr. steve hutchinson the guy who was largely responsible for shaun alexander's 25 tds in one season 2-3 years ago. since he left seattle has not had much of a run game. he is the game's best offensive guard. him an mckinney play on the left side. i believe almost all of peterson's runs were to the left side.

if seattle had warrick dunn instead of shaun alexander, would mr. dunn have the same success? not likely. and hutchinson wouldn't be viewed as postively.

alexander is a talented rb and he makes his ol look good because of his skillset and vice versa.

there is a disconnect in atlanta: at the rb position, and with the coaching staff. the o-line is young, but may not be as bad as people are trying to make it out to be..

change the rb and you may see marked improvement.

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adrian peterson ripped the bears to shreds in chicago-- on the road. minnesota doesn't have a great offensive line, their qb is rather young and pedestrian in tavaris jackson, their wrs (williamson) have been similar to ours (jenkins, white). however, adrian peterson was able to run through the bears defense like it was nothing.

adrian also did this against the falcons. he ran for a 100 yards and had a game breaking 60 yard td reception..

peterson has four 100-yard this year with a mediocre offensive line, a mediocre qb (tavaris jackson) and bad wrs..

peterson received criticism for being injury prone in college, but he is definitely a nfl pro bowl calibur talent.

peterson makes plays. dunn does not. end of story.

people say let's focus with the o-line first and get a real qb (later), but everybody knew the vikings were going to run and proceeded in doing so. people are saying let's get a young o-linemen in the first round, but we need playmakers from the qb and rb position.

actually, the vikes line, especially on the left side is very good! they just don't have an accurate passer, just like us!

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if you didn't notice, both of his long runs were to the left. let's take a look at his left side of the o-line

hutchinson (pro bowler) and mckinnie (pro bowler)

where on our o-line do we have two pro bowlers?

the falcons haven't had a pro bowl o-lineman (that is not a reserve) since chris hinton in the early 1990's.

minnesota has some individual talent on their line, but how are they as a collective and would warrick have the same success as peterson? in 1998 when jamal anderson was our running back, the o-line got better as the season wore on.. salaam, tobeck, etc...

warrick's running style and abilities are not the same as the better rbs ..

we have enough talent on the o-line to be competitive, but my original question is : what is keeping warrick dunn from being the best that he could be?

harrington passing stats look nice, so that should open things up for the running game, shouldn't it?

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why are you bothering? you have lost this argument before anyone even replied. minnesota's players are paid more because they are, well better players.

how much is dunn getting paid? he is supposedly one of the better players... and his lack of talent, production makes an average, young o-line worse than it really is... dunn doesn't make his teammates better the way vick did..

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exactly. if you believe our line is as good as theirs, then you smoking the wacky weed.

minnesota has a better line than the falcons, but the vikings have better talent at the rb position and it does help make their o-line look better than they really are, and dunn makes our line looks worse than they really are..

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