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    BLM reacted to Mister pudding in Why I want Chase at #4   
    It is no secret that I'm a best player available guy and that I've advocated for Ja'Marr Chase since my first mock. While it may border on being sacrilegious to compare an undrafted rookie to a future hall of famer, I'm going to do it anyway. 
    College stats:
    Julio Jones
    2009- 13 games, 43 receptions, 596 yards, 4 TDs
    2010- 13 games, 78 receptions, 1133 yards, 7 TDs
    Ja'Marr Chase
    2018- 10 games, 23 receptions, 313 yards, 3 TDs
    2019- 14 games, 84 receptions, 1780 yards, 20 TDs
    Draft capital spent
    Julio Jones- two 1st rd picks, two 2nd rd picks, 4th rd pick
    Ja'Marr Chase- #4 pick, 1st round
    Pro day/combine comparison:
    Height- Jones 6-2 3/4, Chase 6-0 3/8
    Weight- Jones 220, Chase 201
    Arm- Jones 33.75, Chase 30 3/4
    Wing- Jones n/a, Chase 74 7/8
    Hand- Jones 9.75, Chase 9 5/8
    Vert jump- Jones 38.5, Chase 41
    Broad jump- Jones 11-3, Chase 11-0
    40- Jones 4.34, Chase 4.38
    20 yd shuttle- Jones 4.25, Chase 3.98
    3 cone- Jones 6.66, Chase 7.00
    Bench- Jones 17, Chase 23
    Now, one may argue "we are set at WR!" And this argument is valid at face value, at this moment. Without even delving into any trade Calvin or Julio scenerios, let us look at the future at WR from a salary and age perspective. 
    Julio Jones is under contract through 2023, with a cap hit of $19.26 million in 2022 and 2023. In 2023, he will be 34 years old. 
    Calvin Ridley is under his rookie contract, set to make 3.46 million this year. The Falcons may pick up his 2022 5th year option, which would be $11 million in 2022. He will be looking for a high-dollar multi year contract and deservingly so. 
    While some look at a potential WR pick as excessive or a luxury item, I see it as picking the best player available (the best receiver in a great WR draft) and allowing for future fiscal flexibilty at the position and for the Falcons.
     
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    BLM reacted to SavedByGrace1221 in Pick should be Kyle   
    Trust me, Pitts is not like Kelsey. Kelsey is a complete tight end. And I hate to keep saying this but it's true. Pitts is not a complete tight end. He is a glorified wide receiver. And we may pick him who knows, but no, he is not a complete tight end. He's not a Kelsey, he's not a Kittle. And he never will be.
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    BLM reacted to Knight of God in Dimitroff's Thoughts On What The Falcons Will Do with The #4 Pick   
    I would do whatever hes not saying. That dude just no
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    BLM reacted to Sponge in Dimitroff's Thoughts On What The Falcons Will Do with The #4 Pick   
    Sounds like an ex girlfriend still all in your business 
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    BLM got a reaction from papachaz in Rumors Fly Connecting Broncos to Falcon's No. 4 Pick After Atlanta Opens for Business - SI.com   
    If you are gonna set the franchise back by drafting a TE, at least lessen the blow by moving down.
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    BLM got a reaction from jgator21 in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed.  While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB.  So I am open to drafting at another position.
     
    But a TE?  Come on man!
     
    I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR.  Just look at player salaries.  The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs.  There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith.  0 rationale.  A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can.  Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set.  Or the Packers.  Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved.   And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense.  TEs are like RBs.  Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder.  Top talents should only be had in the early second round.
    Additionally, TEs take a while to develop.  I am talking 2 or 3 years.  WRs can make an impact in their first year.  Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years.  Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production.   Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft him in the first round.  0.  If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now.  Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move.  It's bad if you commit to Ryan, won't draft a QB, but instead end up drafting a TE, which basically suggests that you are still looking to win 3 years out as opposed to today, but choose a position of MUCH LESS importance.  If we need more weapons on offense, WR is the only choice if the goal is to win now.
    And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE.  Do you know why that is?  Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block.  Pitts cannot block.  Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection.  He is just ok at run blocking.
    What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE.  Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR?  An actual WR will be much better at catching, route running, and gaining separation.  It's one thing if Pitts blocking ability makes up for not having elite route running.  But Pitts doesn't have that blocking ability.
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime.
     
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    BLM got a reaction from campdirtybirdz in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    Why woudl you do that when you can just draft a WR?
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    BLM got a reaction from campdirtybirdz in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed.  While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB.  So I am open to drafting at another position.
     
    But a TE?  Come on man!
     
    I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR.  Just look at player salaries.  The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs.  There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith.  0 rationale.  A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can.  Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set.  Or the Packers.  Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved.   And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense.  TEs are like RBs.  Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder.  Top talents should only be had in the early second round.
    Additionally, TEs take a while to develop.  I am talking 2 or 3 years.  WRs can make an impact in their first year.  Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years.  Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production.   Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft him in the first round.  0.  If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now.  Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move.  It's bad if you commit to Ryan, won't draft a QB, but instead end up drafting a TE, which basically suggests that you are still looking to win 3 years out as opposed to today, but choose a position of MUCH LESS importance.  If we need more weapons on offense, WR is the only choice if the goal is to win now.
    And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE.  Do you know why that is?  Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block.  Pitts cannot block.  Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection.  He is just ok at run blocking.
    What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE.  Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR?  An actual WR will be much better at catching, route running, and gaining separation.  It's one thing if Pitts blocking ability makes up for not having elite route running.  But Pitts doesn't have that blocking ability.
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime.
     
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    But a TE at 4 though.
    We gonna upgrade from Hurst (a young 1st round talent) who gave us almost 600 yards, to Pitt, who's gonna give  700 yards  due to learning curve.  WRs are just more valauble and TEs take more time to develop.  Ceedee lamb the 3rd WR on Cowboys had over 1000 yards (catching and rushing) in his rookie year.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    Not to mention, we already have Hurst, a 1st round talent on our team already.  And he's just made it past is first 2-3 years of growing pains.  
    Yall want us to go from Hurst, who gave us 600 yards last season, to Pitt who will give us maybe 700 yards next season LMAO.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    Please spread the word.  We can't end up with a TE at 4th.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    No.  But if we are going to pass on a QB with the 4th (aka win now), we should also pass on a TE at 4th due to the various reasons highlighted.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    So lets say 4 year contract and assume no matter who you draft the guy pans out.
    So first 3 years, you've overpaid because TE salaries aren't that high anyways so you aren't really getting a steal.  Now, if you get lucky and extend him in year 4 (to extend him you'll have to give him a deal he cant refuse), you are paying him top money at the position, but because the position is undervalued, you got a deal.  Sounds like a wash.
    Or draft a QB.  First 3 years you've underpaid because QBs are pricey and you got a steal.  Then, year 4 you extend him, and now he's fairly paid.  And if you really need a TE, you can sign one in the FA and get the benefit of signing a player at an undervalued position.
    I'll still take the second approach.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    And at 4, there is still a franchise Qb available, not to mention potential franchise LT.  But wait we gonna go reach and draft Pitts.  
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    That doesn't make sense.  Unless you plan on tagging him, once his contract is up, he's off to the FA to the highest bidder.  There's 0 gaurantee Falcons retain him. If you want to play the rookie contract game, the best deal is drafting a franchise QB.  AFter that, probs WR or DE or something.
    Signing someone else's veteran TE , like what NE has done, could make sense because they are already developed and the busts have busted and the good players have shined already.  And you let another team deal with the 1-2 years of development that TEs need.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    Top 5 in athelticism maybe but def not top 5 in value to a team.  
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    Because Pitts is a TE and TEs aren't worth the 4th pick.  Unless Pitts is an elite blocker + elite catcher, which he is not, he's only athletic plus a good catcher, a WR at 4th like Chase would do much more of the team.
    Not to mention if the goal is win now, TEs don't help because they take 2-3 years to develop.  And we know Julio's old, so a top WR will fill in nicely once Julio, who btw is often injured, retires.
     
    There's no credibility hurt.  Only credibility gained.  I see team building from the big picture.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    Top 5 TE production still not like top 5 WR production.  WR > TE
    And every 1st round TE has been hyped to be some athletic freak, bball player that can go up and get it,  but ultimately NFL production is meh
    it's the nature of how it is. TEs get hyped upbecause they are slow big WRs playing on the line so now suddenly they are freaks because they are faster than the left tackle next to them.  Remember Gresham, Njoku, Ebron, all hyped, and look at the production in the NFL, nothing.  At the end of day, WRs are still more athletic than TEs, oh and better at route running and catching.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    I mean if you go through the entire history of NFL, i'm sure you can find 1 guy that did good.  Let's just look at PAST 10 YEARS.  THIS IS 10 YEARS OF HISTORY.
    Hockensen - decent
    Fant - reach
    Hurst - reach
    Howard - reach
    Njoku - reach
    Engram - reach
    Ebron - reach
    Eifert - reach
    Gresham - reach
     
    Over the past 10 years.  Out of all the 1st round TEs drafted, none of those guys have even had a 800 yard receiving season.  Do you now how many of them have been hyped to be athletic freaks, huge baskeball players, with huge wingspands that can be a huge redzone target and be mismatches blah blah blah.   
     
    ZERO 800 yard seasons.  ZERO. Meanwhile WRs hit 800 on the reg.
     
    TEs are overhyped.  People are still dreaming about Gronk + Hernadez and that's like 10 years ago.
     And GMs have taken note.  Hence, they pay them peanuts compared to WRs.  And eveyrone knows that if you have a good OC, you can get a LB on a WR by good scheming.  Or a pass catching RB on a LB.
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    BLM got a reaction from shock in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed.  While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB.  So I am open to drafting at another position.
     
    But a TE?  Come on man!
     
    I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR.  Just look at player salaries.  The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs.  There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith.  0 rationale.  A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can.  Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set.  Or the Packers.  Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved.   And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense.  TEs are like RBs.  Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder.  Top talents should only be had in the early second round.
    Additionally, TEs take a while to develop.  I am talking 2 or 3 years.  WRs can make an impact in their first year.  Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years.  Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production.   Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft him in the first round.  0.  If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now.  Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move.  It's bad if you commit to Ryan, won't draft a QB, but instead end up drafting a TE, which basically suggests that you are still looking to win 3 years out as opposed to today, but choose a position of MUCH LESS importance.  If we need more weapons on offense, WR is the only choice if the goal is to win now.
    And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE.  Do you know why that is?  Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block.  Pitts cannot block.  Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection.  He is just ok at run blocking.
    What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE.  Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR?  An actual WR will be much better at catching, route running, and gaining separation.  It's one thing if Pitts blocking ability makes up for not having elite route running.  But Pitts doesn't have that blocking ability.
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime.
     
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    I only spit facts.
     
    Please spread the news, don't let the misinformation lead us to reaching for a TE.
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    That makes absolutely 0 sense.  If elite TEs are more scarce than elite WRs, you'd expect elite TEs to be paid an insane crazy amount due to how rare they are.  If something's rare, it should demand a premium.  But guess what, elite TEs don't get paid crazy amounts.  GMs and teams value WRs more.
     
    This isn't fantasy football where it makes sense to draft Kelce in the 1st or 2nd because there are so many WRs that can get 800 yards a season.  This is real life football. 
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    Right and a player that won't start making an impact until 3 years later doesn't help.  Like I've said, TEs take a few years to develop.
     
    Please help send the message to the FO and spread awareness.
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    BLM got a reaction from Colbeee in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts at 4th, this regime is already doomed.  While I am in the camp that would like to see us draft Fields or Lance and ideally Fields, with Ryan's restructure, it just doesn't completely make sense to draft a QB.  So I am open to drafting at another position.
     
    But a TE?  Come on man!
     
    I don't care how good a TE is, a TE is not worth more than a WR.  Just look at player salaries.  The top WRs earn about $10M more than TEs.  There is 0, I mean 0, justification to draft a TE when you can grab someone like Chase, Waddle or Smith.  0 rationale.  A 3rd WR can run routes in the middle and can run any route a TE can.  Just look at the Rams and their 3 WR set.  Or the Packers.  Many good offenses don't have a dominant TE but instead know how to get a 3rd WR involved.   And with Julio Jones imminent retirement, a WR just makes sense.  TEs are like RBs.  Only transcendent players are worth a 1st rounder.  Top talents should only be had in the early second round.
    Additionally, TEs take a while to develop.  I am talking 2 or 3 years.  WRs can make an impact in their first year.  Just look at the TEs drafted in the 1st, and their production in the first few years.  Noah Fant, Evan Engram, OJ Howard, Hayden Hurst, etc... All of these guys have had more hype than production.   Unless Pitts is a transcendent TE, there is absolutely 0 reason to draft him in the first round.  0.  If we restructure Ryan, that means our goal is to win now.  Drafting a TE in the first is NOT a win now move.  It's bad if you commit to Ryan, won't draft a QB, but instead end up drafting a TE, which basically suggests that you are still looking to win 3 years out as opposed to today, but choose a position of MUCH LESS importance.  If we need more weapons on offense, WR is the only choice if the goal is to win now.
    And guess what, Pitts is NOT a transcendent TE.  Do you know why that is?  Well, a TE is a TE because a TE can block.  Pitts cannot block.  Read any scouting report, and it'll say that Pitts has issues in pass protection.  He is just ok at run blocking.
    What this means is that Pitts is a large sized, glorified WR, and not a true TE.  Why draft a large WR, when you can draft an actual WR?  An actual WR will be much better at catching, route running, and gaining separation.  It's one thing if Pitts blocking ability makes up for not having elite route running.  But Pitts doesn't have that blocking ability.
    If Falcons draft Kyle Pitts in the 1st, that along with hiring Chicago Bears OC and QB coaches (Bears have yet to develop a QB or run any sort of creative offense), along with Blank/McKay only planning to hire a coach that was willing to keep Ryan around (despite their misleading public statements), are already laying the groundwork for another average 5 years before we inevitably find another new coaching regime.
     
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    BLM got a reaction from Beef in SMH Falcons drafting TE at 4th...Really BAD start for new Regime   
    It's simple.  He's a WR playing a TE, but he's not as good as a true WR.  
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