Tony Dungy Winston Very Similar to P. Manning Thru 5 Years in Around the NFL Posted 11 hours ago 1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said: This is a very odd article. There are parts I agree with but can’t stand the race card being used here....regardless, it’s an interesting read You Know Who Jameis Winston Looks Like After Five Seasons? Peyton Manning. Chuck Modiano Today 11:49A Only five quarterbacks in NFL history have thrown for more than 5,100 yards in a single season. They are: Peyton Manning, Drew Brees (four times), Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger and Jameis Winston. Winston, despite all you hear to the contrary, is keeping some pretty elite company What kind of numbers would he put up if given a running game or a defense? What if he had coaching stability? How good could he be if he cuts down on his interceptions like so many previous risk-taking QBs that eventually ended up in the Hall of Fame? What, these questions aren’t being bandied about on the cable sports talk shows or in the endless column inches dedicated to NFL coverage across the country? Nope. Everywhere you go, sports media is fixated on Winston’s interceptions instead of his 5,109 yards. If Winston were a young prolific whitegunslinger, what kind of analysis would we get from an NFL media who will yell “FitzMagic” if a below-average white QB can string together just two exciting wins in a row? Thankfully, Monday’s episode of the Dan Patrick Show, former Buccaneers and Colts head coach Tony Dungy tried to bring some attention to this. “You look at Jameis’ numbers and Peyton Manning’s numbers in those first five years, there’s not a lot of difference other than Peyton’s team won more,” Dungy said. Is Peyton’s former Super Bowl coach right? Let’s take a look: Peyton vs. Jameis Stats first 5 years: Peyton: 20,618 passing yards; 138 TDs, 100 INTs, 62.1 Completion percentage.; 85.9 QB rating; 4.9 TD rate; 3.5 INT rate ADVERTISEMENT Jameis: 19,737 passing yards; 121 TDs, 88 INTs, 61.3 Completion percentage 86.9 QB rating; 4.7 TD rate; 3.5 INT rate Dungy is spot on. The two sets of numbers are almost identical. Manning is Winston’s greatest NFL statistical comparison after five years. Young Peyton’s superior win-loss record has more to do with his superior support, notably Hall of Famers Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James. Winston (6-10 record) had a far superior rookie year, but Manning’s 3-13 rookie record helped land James with the No. 4 overall pick. Now consider this stat on Peyton’s first five seasons. 35-17 with Edgerrin James · 7—21 without Edgerrin James We will come back soon to “The Edgerrin Effect” on young Peyton, and “The Bruce Arians Effect” on Jameis, but first, can we have an honest conversation about Winston’s interceptions? Interceptions Over Five-Year period 100 Peyton Manning– Years 1-5 102 Dan Marino — 1985-1989 101 Brett Favre — 2004-2008 93 Brett Favre — 1998-2002 97 Joe Namath — Years 1-5 88 Jameis Winston — Years 1-5 Okay, now that we know Winston didn’t invent “The Interception,” let’s discuss “30.” ADVERTISEMENT Peyton Manning was given all the time he needed to correct his early career INT problem. Photo: Getty 1. STOP SAYING “30-30 CLUB” or “30 FOR 30” OR “PICK SIX.” IT’S STUPID Winston’s final pass this past season was his 30th interception, and media had a field day with it as the first “30-30” TD-INT guy in NFL history. The constant “30-30” framing punishes Winston for his 33 touchdowns, second most in the NFL last season. Ten NFL players threw 30 interceptions before Winston, but none could hit the 30 TD mark. George Blanda once threw 42 INTs, but fell three TDs short. Ken Stabler (16-30) and Bucs record-holder Vinny Testeverde (13-35) couldn’t even reach half of Winston’s TDs. Peyton once threw 28 TDs. Eli threw 27 TDs. Brett Favre? 29 TDs. But none hit 30. Why? None had 626 pass attempts like Winston did in 2019. But what if they did? Let’s adjust: TD/INT Ratio Adjusted for 626 Pass Attempts(like Winston in 2019) 33-30 Jameis, (2019) 28-30 Peyton (1998) 21-30 Brett Favre (2005) 20-31 Eli Manning (2013) 24-31 Ben Roethlisberger (2006) 20-34 John Elway (1992) 17-33 Warren Moon (1986) That’s right, all these great QBs matched or exceeded Winston’s 4.8 Interception rate in 2019, but not his TDs. Also, none threw for 5,000 yards in these seasons. Or even 4,000 yards. Others argue Winston’s 30 interceptions are “going in the wrong direction.” Nonsense. Big Ben’s INT spike came in his third season after his Steelers won a Super Bowl. Marino in his seventh year, Elway and Eli in their 10th season and Favre in his 15th. At age 40, Favre’s best season and INT rate (1.3) came with 33TDs. Others mention stats like “pick sixes,” otherwise known as interceptions returned for TDs. Let’s start here. Favre, Marino, Namath, Brees. Peyton. These are the NFL career leaders in “pick-sixes.” Not a bad list. When Winston set a new record with his seventh pick-six, less attention was paid to the previous co-record-holder Peyton Manning, who had six in 2001. Prior to 2019, Winston averaged only one pick-six per year. Why? Because it is pretty arbitrary when and if any INT is returned for a TD. That’s why there is a different pick-six leader every year. Citing this stat as if it means anything is just statistical trolling. Worst of all is when the media discusses interceptions like a permanent mark, not the fixable flaw that they are. ADVERTISEMENT 2. INTERCEPTIONS ARE A QB’s MOST FIXABLE FLAW Sports Illustrated’s Andy Benoit echoed a media-wide sentiment when he said: “History says a risk-taking QB like Winston won’t change” Long read...click link to continue https://deadspin.com/you-know-who-jameis-winston-looks-like-after-five-seaso-1842526841 I don’t think it’s the race card being played. The highlighted difference is... Peyton had a running game, while Winston did not have a running game. Expectations were too high for him, hard to meet if you’re not honest with yourself about what is needed to succeed. You need a running game!