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  1. Which completely fails to address the point. Manufacturing was a field that supported numerous people with a high school education for several decades. The alternatives to the lost manufacturing jobs are typically going to be lower wage, or an entry point that requires a post-secondary education. There's a severe lack of a middle ground to work with, and further automation is going to continue to drive the lower side of the socio-economic ladder downward, combine that with the exponentially rising cost of tuition and debt, and it's obvious that this isn't a sustainable model.

    So again, what is the proposed solution?

  2. 43 minutes ago, gazoo said:

    Trust me, The establishment GOP  AND Dems bow to the mighty corporations. Obama and Hillary are so tied into the big corporate money its disgusting. Crony capitalism is a function of government getting too big.

    Oh, so now big corporate capitalism is bad, yet anytime someone complains about corporations, they're a bunch of dirty hippies.

    Your brain is shrinking like your hair line from all that cognitive dissonance Jeffrey.

  3. On 5/26/2016 at 7:38 PM, pzummo said:

    The entire concept of technology advancement eliminating jobs is completely untrue.

    There is literally no historical data what so ever that lends any validity to the theory. It's fear mongering that has been used many times every time technology advances because of the job it looks like it replaces. The truth is that it has created more new jobs every single time throughout history.

    As manufacturing productivity increased, the number of jobs in the industry went down, primarily do to two factors, automation and globalization. Automation is the "new technology" being discussed. So, manufacturing jobs go down the toilet, the money earned by those with only a high school education drops, thus making it a "requirement" for people to pursue college educations, where graduates are now facing record levels of debt as a result of pursuing that education. What is the solution?

    If you can't see the big picture argument I'm making here, then maybe you should stick to acting like the old man and post bad articles and hitting the like button. It's pretty dumb **** clear that this system isn't sustainable.

  4. 31 minutes ago, pzummo said:

    It's a real world example of innovation and technological advancement creating more jobs for low and medium skilled workers. It started with highly skilled engineers, and it was too expensive for the lower income brackets. They improved manufacturing and millions are employed across the country supporting the automobile industry. The same thing happened with flying. It will eventually happen with SpaceX. 

    When technology is new, it's much more complicated and nobody can imagine someone with a HS degree working in that area. As demand drives the supply, the industry breaks down simpler tasks for less expensive employees to contribute, driving down the cost of goods or services. That's how it works.

    Find me one technological advancement that eliminated jobs without creating more than there was before. I can name literally thousands that led to more jobs than existed before the new technology eliminated the old. Usually, the new just makes the old tech that much cheaper for lower incomes to afford, like AC window units in every Section 8 apartment building.

     

    http://andrewmcafee.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/mfg-output-and-employ.jpg

     

    http://www.hamiltonproject.org/assets/legacy/images/uploads/thp_image_uploads/charts/120211_chart2_v2.png

  5. 54 minutes ago, pzummo said:

    I'm not saying that. I'm saying I don't agree with your deductive logic proclaiming that it skews it enough to make my point irrelevant. High unemployment over the decades have not coincided with technical advancements. They coincide with economic downturns.

    I do not have any interest in going down irrelevant rabbit holes debating statistics for single year comparisons. As I said, we could compare with the great depression where nobody could find a job versus the Internet boom creating very high employment participation (or lows for unemployment). The only thing irrelevant is debating something that is demonstrable historical fact. Advancements in technology have always led to more jobs. 

    There isn't any denying that automation and globalization has greatly reduced the manufacturing sector in this country, while also reducing the opportunities for those who only graduated with a high school education. Once we start automating the service industry, things are going to get even worse for the lower tier in society.

  6. 16 minutes ago, silentbob1272 said:

    This is plain truth and there's no way around that, which is why businesses are so **** bent on automating these type as well as many other jobs. I don't see a good solution. Do you?

    Quit acting like any concept of a welfare state is pure evil, when several countries have proven it works **** well. Quit pinning the loss of job opportunities at the lower end of the totem pole is purely because unions and demands for better wages, because it is a fact that no human will compete with a robot. Does a McDonald's employee demanding 15 an hour push them to do it faster? Sure. But it was going to happen either way. 

  7. 5 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

    You asked for an example of how the needs of the populations compared. I gave an example of that. You know what an example is, right?

    At least until their workers and people start demanding those things. China is already starting to deal with a surge in both of those areas. Once that gets into fullswing the low skill factories will move on to the next developing country.

    Manufacturing, at least the kind we think of, isn't coming back for a myriad of reasons. Instead what we need to do is push existing industries, such as the automobile industry, to make high quality goods and to invest in high tech industries and manufacturing that are extremely difficult to offshore (eg. SpaceX, green industries).

    And my response was saying their system allowed for more flexibility than a flat minimum wage system that we have over here. Their needs are different, but their system allows more flexibility than ours. 

    We shouldn't have to wait for the rest of the world to catch up on human rights to progress in our own society. 

    High tech industry and manufacturing doesn't do much for the common man. 

  8. 29 minutes ago, silentbob1272 said:

    Those three countries also have a grand total in population to New York State.

    5,9, and 5 million citizens vs 300 million. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

    And again, how does that keep us from implementing anything remotely similar. At what point between 5-10 million and 300 million is it no longer even reasonable to push in that direction. 

  9. 1 hour ago, ransack said:

    Fast food jobs were never meant to be "careers". If that is your "career" maybe you need to reassess you life choices.

    Yet someone has to do it, and Ive known people who have worked in fast food or grocery stores for a decade or more. The jobs aren't strictly held by teenagers. As an aside, if these entry level jobs aren't available, there will not be a way to work your way up.

    Again, the low skill/low education jobs are dwindling, and we can't compete with slave labour from Asia. So what do we do? 

  10. 5 minutes ago, Psychic Gibbon said:

    They're pretty homogeneous in the sense that the needs of the population doesn't significantly differ in one part of the country to the next. Due to that it's fairly easy to implement unitary policies. That is very, very far from the case in the United States which is further muddled by the states and federal government butting heads.

    It also ignores issues such as the massive tax rates in Sweden and Denmark, how Norway is largely funding its policies with oil money, and so on and so forth.

    Needs of the population? Expand on that point. 

  11. On 5/18/2016 at 7:07 PM, lostone said:

    Some of you guys are old enough that you used to "trust" government and that was popular opinion.  When did that change?

    I'm sure nothing makes Hillary more moist than seeing a homeless vet. 

    I really wish Obama would've been as sinister as these nuts said he was back in 2008. We need more death camps. 

  12. 1 minute ago, Leon Troutsky said:

    It's American Exceptionalism.

    We can do ANYTHING***

    ***Except decent wages for workers

    ***Except quality health care for all citizens

    ***Except good educational opportunities for everyone

    ***Except reducing mass shootings

    ***Except pretty much anything that would make society a better place.

    But we're ******* excellent at bombing other countries! God ******* ****** are we good at that. 

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