Serge

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  1. That does sound like something someone would say when they're explaining why they still support Roy Moore.
  2. Trump was recruited to go after worldwide corruption. Stands to reason that when all the Clinton stuff finally comes out, it'll show that everything he did went towards that goal.
  3. That one's better now than when the guy posted that cartoon.
  4. Well, yeah
  5. Their worldview is built on the principle that they're never responsible for decisions they feel like they have to make. The best way to arrive at a horrendous decision like supporting Roy Moore is to talk yourself into the idea that you just don't have a choice in the matter.
  6. In retrospect I can see how what I said seemed specifically targeted at that.
  7. FTR, I had that thought because I'm a progressive, I know that my side of the fence uses the imperfect tactic of shaming the right that results in the right doubling down on what they're being shamed for, and I don't want to do that, but I feel like the support for someone like Roy Moore means that folks are entrenched in their strategy of responding to being shamed by doubling down and crying fake news because it's effective to abdicate all personal responsibility and support monsters because they deny they ever do wrong.
  8. Everyone's talked about it in the last 24 hours, and I post things to work through my own feelings of the issue. I didn't check to see what you said specifically, I posted something I had thought about after noticing that people were talking about Moore.
  9. I didn't think I was responding to you directly until you responded back like I **** in your cereal.
  10. I think shaming people who support Roy Moore almost certainly won't work, but I also think it makes sense to want someone that could support him at this point to be ashamed of it, and it's kinda genuinely incredibly condescending to operate under the assumption that any hint of shaming language directed at someone supporting a guy that's tried and probably succeeded in screwing kids at some point will alert their persecution complex and make it impossible for them to engage in any other good faith discussion from that point forward.
  11. I'm telling you, sexual assault accusations are going to be a badge of honor for anti-establishment Republicans. The people that want to vote for that kind of candidate want to believe that the establishment is conspiring against them.
  12. That Department of Energy bit was straight out of Stranger Things.
  13. Either folks keep doubling down on defending him or they'll back away from supporting him and act like supporting him didn't count. It seems like the stakes should be higher for his voters and public supporters when you're talking about maybe electing a guy that sexually assaulted some kids to the Senate, but no one's going to own that they were ever wrong to support him.
  14. We'll be desensitized to this, too. Eventually to run as an anti-establishment Republican you'll need some sexual assault accusations to prove that the deep state is afraid of what you represent.
  15. It's good that we're not going to spend any amount of time questioning the motives of women for acknowledging what happened the way Harvey Weinstein and Roy Moore want us to question the motives of every woman that goes public. It's good to see a man accused of this stuff say that he isn't the one that determines whether or not he crossed a line and that power dynamics matter. I don't like the idea of a good template for apologizing for sexual assault. There isn't supposed to be a good way to apologize for it. Louis CK is a very self-aware person capable of speaking eloquently about this kind of topic, so he was going to apologize "the right way," but if everyone apologized as well as he did, then the topic in general would shift to what men need to do to be redeemed and get their career going again. It'd be very easy to move a few inches in the right direction and then start seeing a ton of blowback from fans of the most recent celebrity being accused, along with misogynists and plain old guys who don't like thinking about how they think about women, who are exhausted with sexual assault stories and eager to forgive as soon as forgiveness is asked for, to the point that arguing over what, if anything the guy needs to do to get his career back on track becomes part of the foundation of how we contextualize and talk about sexual assault in this country. We probably don't want a lot of stories about men accused of several incidents of some level of sexual assault beneath rape who apologized really well, where we end up talking about how well he's positioned himself for an eventual comeback. That's not a good place for the conversation to start going to every time we have it, and it could become that, because that's where there's an argument to be had.