PeytonMannings Forehead

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  1. I don’t know why Elway wouldn’t want him. He’s been an asset everywhere he’s been and they’ve always been close. Only thing I can think of is putting him in that position of OC before you’ve hired an HC might give the impression he’s a defacto HC and whoever the next actual HC might feel undermined. Especially given Kubiak’s history with Denver. You always run the risk when a head coach can’t put his own staff in place that there’s a constant unease and it’s not truly his team. Putting Kubiak in a kind consultant role somewhat alleviates that... but not much IMO. If Elway is that dead set on bringing him back then he should do everything he can to talk him into taking the head job again. If it was me I wouldn’t take a job where the GM has put his old friend in as an OC without any input from me.
  2. I’d rather them bring the right guy and take the learning curve than settle for a Kubiak who we’d have to hope turns into something he’s never been. EDIT: I was in the middle of something and read this too fast. I thought you typed Greg not Gary... for some reason I always used to get Knapp and Kubiak mixed up: hail yeah I’d be all for Kubiak. That would be perfect.
  3. I thought he got a bad rap. That Seattle passing game really evolved into a dynamic attacking scheme when they had to move away from Marshawn. He adjusted to what he had to work with, which wasn’t much. Pete wanted to go in a different direction but he’s sharp coach and he’s gotten it done a variety of ways. Not sure it’d be a seemless fit but I’d could see it happening because of his history with Quinn:
  4. Well if we’re just talking about spacing type concepts— every offense incorporates those because you just can’t stay trying to stretch the field vertically the way the original number system did.
  5. Depends if they’re still chasing that Shanahan system or going after the best guy. Bevell would probably be the best “fit” for what Quinn wants to do. But Gase just off the top of my head might be the best offensive mind out there with the track record to match.
  6. Gase doesn’t run the west coast offense. He’s more off that Martz tree with the number system mixed with a little bit of Tom Moore’s stuff that he ran with Peyton.
  7. Seahawks run the same scheme they’ve always run. They play a little more Bear front — which they used to always to situationally against certain run heavy teams like the Harbaugh 49ers. The single high philosophy of base cover-3 is unchanged. Only thing Norton has brought is they’ll play a little more quarters especially when they get backed up.
  8. Pretty much. Falcons stopped playing about a month ago, so I stopped paying attention.
  9. Well, hey, the way they’re scrambling right now to get the running game going, I’m sure we’ll see more of that sooner or later, especially as Sark gets more of his offense in.
  10. Referencing something vel pointed out last year... We were #1 in time of possession per drive, #2 in number of plays ran per drive, and #3 yards per drive, and #7 in points per drive last season. An offense doesn’t move the ball like that if your offensive coordinator were anywhere near as bad as this board tried to make him out to be.
  11. They can’t pass block either. We’re 11th in passing attempts and 26th in rushing attempts. Matt threw the ball, what, 39 times last game? There’s only so much more unbalanced you can get behind this line considering they’re still in the bottom 5 for most quarterback hits allowed. It doesn’t always look it but what few rushing attempts we do have keeps the defense honest and actually helps out the line when we do go playaction. You tip the run/pass ratio any further Matt loses what little protection he’s still got. Matt’s already doing enough chuckin’ and duckin’ as it is.
  12. If he does we’ll just complain how he did it against a weak line.
  13. Nowhere close to that unless your trade partner is Jerry Jones.
  14. Okay, been meaning to get this one for a while. About a month or so ago after our first game I made a thread pointing out how Matt missed a couple of gimmies that could have changed the outcome by not going through his pre-snap reads and I think what I was saying might have went over a few folks' head. Well as I suspected, he quickly got the problem ironed out and has been playing light's out the past few games. And when I say "lights out", I mean he's putting up another MVP caliber season that I fear is going to waste. But that's neither here nor there today. I wanna talk about the good. PRE-SNAP READ (PSR): first off, what is a pre-snap read? Glad you asked. It's exactly what it sounds like. The QB steps to the line and he's going to get a read on the defense before the ball is snapped. He's looking for every little clue that's going to if not completely give away the exact coverage, narrow it down to one or two possibilities. Now every QB, every system has its own "ritual" if you will, but generall speaking QB breaks the huddle, ideally with around 16-15 seconds on the playclock. He's wants to get everyone lined up so he can take his time looking over the defensive alignment. He's looking at the safeties. This is a big one because corners can lie, linebackers can lie but safeties will tell you the truth. Their alignment will usually give away the coverage. Are there two high safeties, or one high? Two high, it's cover-2, man under, or quarters. One high, it's cover-1, or cover-3. Are there two high safeties but they are both sitting really shallow, like under 10 yards? That's an oh **** moment. That's cover-0. You know the defense is bringing the house and the ball's gotta come out quick. What's the depth of the safeties and width? If there are two safeties sitting at around 10-12 yards and they are split kind of wide of the hash, then that's some sort of Cover-2. Are there two safeties sitting a little more shallow, say around 10 yards and they're tucked in a little tighter than normal, sort of hovering over the #2 receiver, that's quarters. Then you move to your corners. Are they pressed or playing off? Are they looking at the QB or the receiver -- that's a big clue man or zone. If they're looking at the QB almost 100% zone. Is one pressed and the other playing off? That's a clue that you're gonna get some sort of split field coverage like Cover-6. If you are in a 3 receiver set what's the slot corner doing? Is he directly over the slot receiver or is he cheating over close to the LOS? If he is and the safety to that side is sitting shallow and playing closer to the LOS than normal, that's a slot corner blitz. What's the linebacker's doing? Are they aligned over their normal gaps or are they maybe stepped over kind of funny? That could tip a blitz, etc. I could go on and on, but you get the idea. Every single snap of the game the QB is taking seconds right before the snap to gather as much information as possible. And that information is going to tell him where his first look is on the play. Every play has a progression, 1 to 2, to 3. But who the first look is on the play is determined by the PSR. That's the point I think a few people were missing on the thread I'm referring to. Now I want to first take a look at what it looks like when it's done wrong. This play right here the Eagles are in Cover-0. No doubt about it, the alignment of the safeties gives it away. Instead of taking Sanu right there in the slot who was uncovered, Matt forces the ball to Julio on a 7 route. Wrong read. This is the stuff that keeps points off the board and gets you beat. The PSR should have taken him to Sanu as the first look. Now here's what it looks like when it's done right. I'm gonna throw up a couple of plays... not all in order but (I think) but bear with me. Play #1 - 1st quarter, we're looking at 2nd and 4. You can't see it from the tv copy but it looks like the Bucs were in 3-Cloud (could have also been Cover-6) with a safety over the top to help the underneath corner on Julio to the top of the screen. Good anticipation on this call because we aren't even gonna keep Julio on that side and make it easy for the D. Julio motions across the formation, turning it from a trips look to a trey y-flex. As you can see, the corner does not follow Julio, confirming that this is zone. And here's our new formation. Now what have we learned that we can add to our PSR info? Corner stayed to the top of the screen and didn't follow Julio so we know it's zone. Julio is uncovered in that #3 position and the safety to his side of the formation is still sitting at 12 plus yards so a pressure is unlikely. So we've narrowed the defense down to a zone, most likely a split field coverage based off the corner and safety. Matt pretty much knows right now what side of the field he's going to read first. Quick look at the routes we got Julio running sticks, Sanu clearing out the underneath stuff on a vertical, Ridley a speed out. To the top of the screen Hooper running a hook, Coleman leaking out to the flat. And here we go. Safetys bail and the flat defender follows Coleman, which makes it look to me like the may have checked the coverage to Mable, but whatever the case that's curl/flat concept to that side of the field. Bucs have no chance. As soon as the flat defender follows Coleman the ball comes out right now to Hooper. Hooper didn't quite get deep enough so it's 3rd and 1, but you can see the principles at work. 2nd and 4 just gone get the easy throw. Pass rush has no chance. Matt stays clean.
  15. He had better players in Chicago. Just like the defense DQ coordinated in Seattle that finished one year with 39 turnovers had better players.
  16. When you mention bend but don’t break you are taking scheme. What happened to Lovie’s teaching in Tampa because they didn’t produce turnovers there, even when he did can Leslie Frazier and take over the defense.
  17. Still philosophically the same defense. There's no inherent advantage the Tampa 2 has in creating turnovers that ours doesnt. Quinn's Seattle defense created turnovers. It's players. Not x's and o's.
  18. Mike Smith did. Let Nolan come in and run a scheme totally unlike anything he'd done in his coaching career. Teryl Austin and Marvin Lewis actually have a fair amount in common as far as scheme, especially in the back end with some of their coverages.
  19. You know "bend but don't break" is exactly what Tampa-2 is.
  20. x’s and o’s

    Absolutely. Totally fair assessment, especially if you're high on Matt Ryan as a player, you expect him to make that throw against Cincy to Hooper to ice the game. As well as Matt is playing, and make no mistake, he has really turned it up, there is still another level to get to. Even he indicates that in some of his press conferences. @slickgadawg good stuff. As much as I admire what Belichick has done, the recency bias still bugs me when I see the way some of these other all-time great coaches get lost in the shuffle. Landry was one of the great football minds the game has ever seen. He not only invented a defense that's still used today (60 years later), but he was a cutting edge offensive mind. It's mindblowing to think about. One of my favorite anecdotes I heard was from when he and Lombardi were defensive and offensive coordinators, respectively, with the Giants. When Lombardi left to go to Green Bay, he took Landry's defensive playbook. But when Landry left for the Cowboy's he didn't take Lombardi's offense -- he invented his own.
  21. x’s and o’s

    Yeah, pretty much. I mean there might be some incremental differences but yeah, it's pretty much the same thing. Kind of like how the good ole burst concept is called Burner in Sark's playbook. Everybody wants to put their own spin on everything. I mentioned this a few weeks back, I think when a game was going on, how strange it was to watch college quarterbacks taking more punishment than their pro counterparts. And to think how up in arms I was a few years back when the NCAA made a targeting foul an ejectable offense -- I thought it was gonna ruin the game. Who knew they'd wind up looking moderate in the end.
  22. x’s and o’s

    this is hilarious! Man is an artist running routes. Everybody is wowed by his physical skill-set, I don't think a lot of people realize just what a technician he is. This is why I don't trip over the lack of touchdowns. He's playing at as high a level as any receiver out there right now and making this passing game go. I got a couple of pages from the Falcons actual defensive playbook last season and I've been wanting to get some stuff up, but the D has really been hurting my eyes lately. I'm gonna force myself here in a little bit because there are one or two positives to glean on... well maybe one.
  23. x’s and o’s

    I had a really good view of that play from my seat and Matt just flat out underthrew it. And it wasn’t great ball placement either. He left it short and inside. A go-route like that you’re supposed to put over the outside shoulder of the receiver. That’s been the only disheartening part of Matt’s play this season because he’s been lights out everywhere else... even on that same route to Ridley, but for whatever reason he hasn’t been able to connect with Julio deep.
  24. x’s and o’s

    Well... yeah. Of course he has to read. Was there an implication in my posts that he didn’t? My bad if that wasn’t clear. Just keeping that part in broad strokes as line protections and rb responsibities are so comprehensive they need their own thread. yes a scan is still a read.