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  1. 30 minutes ago, JDaveG said:

    92.9, about 11:30-12:00 or so.  I think that's Andy and Randy, and I'm pretty sure it was Randy McMichael that said it.

    I don't really believe TD when he says anything about the draft.  Every year he says we were after this guy all along and had no one else on our radar and would have been really disappointed to get any of the picks that fell before us, blah, blah, blah.  That's not to say it's necessarily a bad pick, but it is to say if Randy McMichael we were trying to trade up to get Henderson, I have no reason not to believe it just because TD said otherwise.  He always says otherwise, and everyone was reporting that we were mad trying to trade up in this draft.  Not just before the draft.  During the draft.  

    FWIW, he also said the Eagles wanted to trade up with us to get CeeDee Lamb, but we were concerned Terrell would be gone by 21, which makes sense when you consider 1) the Cowboys took Lamb ahead of the Eagles, and 2) the Raiders were rumored to be targeting Terrell and they pick at 19, not to mention the Saints could have tried to trade up.  

    Well go watch this video:

     

    TD is answering about Henderson and DQ is giving off non-verbal head shakes/nods.  Looks and sounds to me like they valued Terrell over Henderson and had no intention of moving up unless very specific guys fell, which sounded like they were referring to Young and Simmons.

    I do not buy that radio guys had inside scoops on anything.  This team keeps this info so close to the vest, there's no freaking way they know if we were mad or not about not getting potential trade partners.

    And Rapaport is clearly speculating, too.  There is absolutely nothing definitive in his tweet, it's just speculation and conjecture.  If it was definitive, he'd name the source or at the very least say he has a source inside that confirmed this to him.


  2. 3 hours ago, JDaveG said:

    They were saying on the radio this morning the Falcons wanted to trade up for Henderson and couldn’t find a trade partner. 

    Not sure who was saying that, but it's in direct contradiction to TD himself saying that was not the case.

    It appeared to me the only guys they would have been willing to move up for were Young and Simmons, and that was only if they fell past 9.

    One of the media specifically asked TD if he was considering moving up for Henderson and he very quickly said no, Terrell was their focus at CB, and if he was in danger of going earlier they were even considering going up to get him.

    It was pretty clear they didn't want a CB with tackling issues, so Henderson was clearly rated lower than Terrell on their board.

    Kinlaw might have been in that mix too if he had dropped to 16, they were a little vague on that, but it was very clear they coveted Terrell.  I think they even liked him more than Okudah, but that's hard to tell.  I'm only assuming that because they didn't act like Okudah was even considered in the "moving up" part of the discussion.


  3. 33 minutes ago, ATLFalcons11 said:

    Do you guys see Madabuike as a pass rushing DT? 

    I personally don't see it and that's what we need. That's why I don't have him on my list. I like him otherwise but not for us. Curious to hear you guy's thoughts.

    He's 6'3 300, yeah he's a pass rushing 3T/5T.  Dude also ran a 4.83 40 at that size (1.73 10-yard split, too).  Go watch his film, he's crazy quick for his size.  Also got more sacks, QB hurries, tackles, and tackles for loss than Blacklock and Gallimore, and he did it in the SEC.

    Problem is, he's very likely gone before 47.  But I'd take him in a heartbeat if he were there.


  4. 1 hour ago, g-dawg said:

    Nevin Gallimore, DT - Oklahoma

    BTW, it's Neville, not Nevin.

    And really I would love to get Madubuike as my first choice, or Blacklock as my second, but I think both of those guys will be gone by 47 and we'll settle for Gallimore.

    And I use "settle" loosely as he's a beast.  Madubuike s the best of the 3 though.  Just has more elite quickness inside and did it against better talent.


  5. What's funny is, everyone who is selecting bad player and right player/too early was 100% saying the same exact thing about the Keanu Neal pick.

    I'll admit I was surprised when I heard the name, but that's only because every year this thing devolves into a confirmation-bias-echo-chamber as people get excited about 4 or 5 of the same guys and we stop learning/hearing other names and possibilities.

    But now that I've gone and watched all the videos I could find on this kid, he looks super legit to me.  Dude is silky-smooth with his feet and hips, he's lightning quick, and has incredible body control.  He has overall amazing technique, and looks better in that regard than Henderson and even Okudah.

    I'm not bothered by the NC game either.  He locked Chase down for 80% of that game, except for really just one quarter, where Chase got away with a clear push-off on a huge play, and then Burrow dropped 2 of the most perfect bread-basket throws into Chase's hands that NOBODY could have defended at any level.  Terrell was right there in Chase's hip pocket, too.  The coverage was tight virtually all game, so all this nonsense about him "getting burned" is simply not true.

    The guy played around 420 coverage snaps and opposing teams only threw his way 30 times last season.  Clemson, the #2 defense in the country, put this kid on an island with the other team's #1 WR every game and told him that's his job, and the rest of the Clemson defense ran scheme.  And he was only targeted 30x in 13 regular season games.

    I have no problem admitting I WAS clueless about this kid when the pick happened, but after doing the research, I'm totally fine with it.  He's pretty darn good, and many of you don't know that... yet.


  6. Just now, Draftnut57 said:

    Do you think that might have been because they thought that Henderson would go first ? Or did they like AJ better to start with ??

    They clearly liked AJ better.  Explicitly mentioned his physicality (which means tackling... which is something Henderson doesn't do, but Terrell does very well), and the fact that Clemson would leave him on an island with #1's anywhere on the field.

    It's clear they thought Terrell is the better CB.


  7. 35 minutes ago, Draftnut57 said:

    I'd like to know how far down he may have gone if we had not taken him?

    Supposedly the Raiders would have taken him at 19 instead of Arnette.  I've seen mentioned that they were debating between Ruggs and Terrell at 12.

    TD, in interviews already, confirmed they were more interested in Terrell than CJ Henderson.

    And this is just me, but I noticed some of those sub-conscious non-verbal visual queue's from DQ while TD was addressing this.  TD and DQ were on split-screen doing Zoom/Skype with the Atlanta media, fielding questions, and when someone asked TD if he was considering going up to 9 for CJ Henderson, TD shot that down quick and said Terrell was the top CB on their board, and DQ was sitting there, shook his head at the mention of Henderson, and then nodded his head up and down at the mention of Terrell.

    I know it sounds silly, but this is weird ish I pay attention to as non-verbal body language is a big part of reading people in my job.  So I think they are telling the truth and Terrell was the target since guys like Young, Brown, and Simmons didn't fall far enough for them to reasonably move up.


  8. 6 minutes ago, cyofish said:

    Terrell is a project.

    Not sure how anyone can think this.  It's just a silly assertion.

    Terrell has some of the quickest feet and most fluid hips I've seen in a while.  Compare his combine workout to Okudah's and Henderson's, and you'd walk away believing Terrell was absolutely the more polished looking CB.  Dude i silky-smooth with his body control.

    Like Keanu Neal, he's going to come out day one as a starter and surprise everyone. Will probably get some rookie PI penalties, but he'll do the job well enough.


  9. 31 minutes ago, TheUsualStuff said:

    He'll be a solid #2 corner in a couple of years. It's not whether or not he'll be a contributor at some point... it's about taking him at #16 when they probably could have traded back and still got him.

    6 CB's went off the board in the 1st round, and the Raiders were supposedly considering taking Terrell at 12 instead of Ruggs, so we know darn well they would have taken him at 19 instead of Arnette.


  10. My question is... why?

    So the pick gets called, and you type it in, and then what?

    It all looks cool, but I don’t actually see the purpose.

     

    ETA: oh, are you a hardcore gambler/bookie and your making/booking prop bets or something?

    I guess that would be a valid reason for all this data access.


  11. 3 minutes ago, joeyg2033 said:

    KADY BAR THE DOOR!!!  This is NOT what people in here want to hear.  At all.  God forbid we should even think on moving on beyond St. Matt.  I said it before and I'll say it again... If we could draft God as our next QB, clowns in here would burn down the city.  Not quite sure if we would have blown a 28-3 lead had we had God as QB though...   But don't fret, MR is a hall of famer... 28-3 or not.

    Now that is tier 1 hyperbole.

    *eyerollgif*


  12. Pretty sure our first 3 picks will be CB, LB, and DT (in no particular order) after the FA moves we’ve made. We probably need a S and OG, too.

    And if TD thinks he’s on the chopping block after this season, I won’t be surprised if he mortgages future drafts to make several moves up to get certain guys in this one. 

    Simmons is too far up, but Okudah, Brown, and Kinlaw aren’t.

    It would be such a TD thing to do to move up 7-8 spots for Okudah.


  13. 5 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    You’re going back a week where there were 3 bad showings for Huerter defensively.  I was talking tonight.  Are we just supposed to ignore bad defense every game?  If Ryan throws 3 picks a game for 5 straight games are the fans not allowed to comment on the elephant in the room?  Get a grip, bro.  
     

    Would you prefer we all say this team plays great defense and has no issues...lol.  Go visit Pleasantville but I don’t like the taste of the kool-aid

    Okay, Mr. Complainer, whatever you say.


  14. 11 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    4 posts = 3 pages.  Gotcha

    Dude, it's like 10 pages of you doing 90% complaining.

    GFYS

     

     

    On 3/6/2020 at 9:33 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Still don’t know why Huerter logs 10 more minutes than Cam & Collins...

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 0:29 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    I don’t honestly care about Huerter’s scoring prowess.  We have enough scorers.  I care about our perimeter defense.  Period.  Huerter is an absolute liability on defense.  He and Trae will not be a championship starting backcourt.  They are one of the worst defensive backcourts in NBA history.  
     

    11 assists are great, but watch the highlights from last night and tell me how many times the Wizards scored because Huerter was late rotating and the Wizards got an open look as a result.  How many times he failed to attempt the slightest help defense which allowed Beal easy path to the rim.  It’s unacceptable.  How can y’all defend his defense. 
     

    Huerter is a 6th man.  His days as our starting SG need to be numbered.   But I have a sneaking suspicion he will start next year as well

    +/- is clearly not the best measurement on the planet, but it’s useful.  Over the past 13 games:

    • Huerter (471 min): -72

    • Reddish (340 minutes): +20

     

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 4:37 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    I read what you said but responded in general terms.  I know you said he has limitations.  And my point is those limitations combined with Trae’s is not a recipe for success.  It’s just not

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 8:45 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Clearly LP has the boys ready to play today.  Trae looks uninterested

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 11:15 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Are we doing some undercover tanking...  

     

     

    On 3/8/2020 at 3:57 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Why do we run this style offense when it’s not suited for our personnel.  Shoot 7th most 3’a yet dead last in makes

     

     

    On 3/8/2020 at 8:27 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Yeah, but if your guys are not above average 3 point shooters, don’t run this style of offense.  You set your scheme for the personnel you have, not vice versa 

     

    On 3/3/2020 at 4:23 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Maybe they need to get down by 15 in the first to get in the game

     

    On 3/4/2020 at 8:35 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Shut the team down except for Huerter, hunter Cam, Bruno etc.  let Vince get lots of minutes to finish the year and secure a top 3 pick.  
     

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 1:12 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    You don’t think Atkinson is a clear upgrade as a Head Coach?  That’s not a knock on LP, it’s a fact.   Atkinson is one of the top 12 NBA coaches

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 1:33 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Continuity is great, especially in the NFL.  But messages grow stale quickly in the NBA.  A new voice and a starting five of Trae, Cam, Hunter, Collins & Capella with Huerter as 6th man could be great in the East next year

     

    Brooklyn has  a much better record than us and most nights their starting 5 is:

     


     

     

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 1:43 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    They were about to make the playoffs for a 2nd straight year with their two best players gone for all but 20 games between them.  How many games did we win with just Collins out?  4 maybe.  I don’t recall.  I repressed those 25 games

     

    On 3/7/2020 at 2:42 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    And I would disagree.  He was great during his time with the Hawks from 2014-2016.  
     

    Really wish our FO wasn’t a bunch of idiots that fired  Buddenholzer.  That guy was a top 5 coach in the NBA during his time in ATL and is dominating in MIL.  He probably has us in the playoffs this year.  And if you liked Bud, you have to like Kenny Atkinson 

     

    On 3/9/2020 at 10:09 AM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    It’s not the young guys that are the problem.  Only Reddish falls under the 33.5% mark amongst our core.  It’s everyone else who sees the floor that is given a green light to fire at will

     

    On 3/9/2020 at 8:18 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    And of course a Reddish is taken out

     

    On 3/9/2020 at 11:23 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Charlotte with just 3 TO’s n a double OT game and still lose...lol

    Heurter with 0 FT attempts in a team leading 48 minutes isn’t what you want ftt try on your scoring guard

     

    On 3/9/2020 at 11:24 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Someone surely has to pull him aside and remind him he is a leader on this team

     

    On 3/10/2020 at 9:13 AM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Can we get more touches for Cam.  Averaging 18 ppg his last 10 games.  

     Cam also has a 0.617 PPT for the month of MAR. Which is 3rd for the month behind Terrence Ross and Norman Powell.

     

    On 3/10/2020 at 2:34 PM, FalconsIn2012 said:

    If Matt Ryan said that with 5 games left in the year he would be crucified...and rightfully so.  It’s a bad look.  

     

    2 hours ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Trae and Huerter can’t be your starting backcourt. TheIr defense is too bad

     

    1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    This is how we play when shots are not falling.  Our option B offensively is to continue with option A.  Leads to lots of high scoring games and getting blown out once a week

     

    1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    We need to target Okora in the NBA draft.  Trade Huerter.  He has offensive talent but we need perimeter defenders if Trae is our centerpiece.  A 3 man rotation on the wing of Cam, Hunter & Okoro is solid 

     

    1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    You can still win a title with Trae so long as you have Capella in the middle and  the other perimeter guys are plus defenders.  But Trae and Huerter will never work

     

    1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    It’s bad overall defense.  The perimeter defense has been atrocious.  Any guard or SF can get into the paint on the dribble against us in a plus position

     

    1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Can we go ahead and trade for Gibson...lol

     

    1 hour ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    I think so as well.

    With our current squad, it makes the most sense to have Cam next to Trae.  Then on the second unit Teague next to Huerter.  Teague & Cam are very good defenders.

     

    52 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    Trae has to start giving af on defense.  His man gets easy 7-8 foot shots off the dribble at will.  His speed should allow him to at least put a hand in the shooters face.  
     

    It’s to the point we almost have to play a 1-3-1 zone exclusively with Cam up high to hide Trae

     


  15. 2 minutes ago, FalconsIn2012 said:

    At least be accurate.  I can accept Trae’s defense because of everything else he brings to the table.  Huerter doesn’t bring enough to justify his defense.  
     

    I am curious: are you ok with Huerter on the defensive side of the ball?

    I honestly don't GAF at this point.  There's 3 straight pages of you saying the same GD thing over and over and over and F'ing over.

    You are a horrible fan and a miserable human being and I bet you complain about everything in life and people quietly loathe and resent you for it.

    Stop being that guy.

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