Beef

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  1. Pretty sure our first 3 picks will be CB, LB, and DT (in no particular order) after the FA moves we’ve made. We probably need a S and OG, too. And if TD thinks he’s on the chopping block after this season, I won’t be surprised if he mortgages future drafts to make several moves up to get certain guys in this one. Simmons is too far up, but Okudah, Brown, and Kinlaw aren’t. It would be such a TD thing to do to move up 7-8 spots for Okudah.
  2. Gurley doesn’t cancel anyone out since he was cut by the Rams? Correct?
  3. Okay, Mr. Complainer, whatever you say.
  4. Dude, it's like 10 pages of you doing 90% complaining. GFYS
  5. I honestly don't GAF at this point. There's 3 straight pages of you saying the same GD thing over and over and over and F'ing over. You are a horrible fan and a miserable human being and I bet you complain about everything in life and people quietly loathe and resent you for it. Stop being that guy.
  6. Thank the Lord. I couldn't take FI2012 and Spts1 crying their little F'ing eyes out about Trae and Huerter's defense any longer.
  7. 21-22 year olds in a rebuild full of temp contracts and injuries. It’s getting irritating how people keep ignoring this like we’re supposed to be something more than what we are. Cam was a 30% shooter in college and came in shooting 20% for his first 3 or so months. Hunter wasn’t much better, and Fernando was even worse. Plus Len went from ending last season making something 35% of his 3’s to barely making 15%. Vince can’t hit the side of a barn anymore. Parker and Crabbe were terrible from 3 and they’re gone. Huerter and Trae started slow but got consistent, and were above league average by mid-season. Cam and Hunter have easily added 20% to their percentages since the ASB, but they were so bad at the beginning and middle that their overall percentage is toast. Consistency will come with more time. It’s already drastically improved. If you start evaluating us from the ASB, we are significantly better than before.
  8. Don’t see how you can listen to that and not realize and know that we have an extremely good professional basketball coach. Dude knows his stuff and has the right temperament and style to lead a young team. He’s going to develop these guys and turn them into mature intuitive and max effort basketball players. You can already see their growth. Some people just have/had too high of expectations of them being at certain levels before it’s reasonable. Especially after being snake-bit with unforeseen hindrances too. No suspensions and lower volume of injuries and necessary minutes forced upon getting rookies experience, and next year will be a revelation compared to this one.
  9. "They were everyone's sleeper pick to make the playoffs this year." And they very likely would have if not for Collins suspension. Combine that with Reddish and Hunter not being able to hit the broad side of a barn for their first 45 games, too, and there are clearly tangible/recognizable, and most of all correctable, reasons why they didn't take a next step. The prediction and expectation was 30 wins. But again, that didn't account for Collins missing 25 games. If they somehow go 11-8 the rest of the season, they hit it. And if that happens it'll be a huge sign. We have a good shot. The schedule is favorable.
  10. We better make drafting a defensive specialist or two, as well as replacing Carter and Graham with defensive vets, the biggest priority of the off-season. We have the makings of an elite offense already. We don't need more scoring specialists. The team will improve on defense. It's coming. They will gel and start reacting instead of watching and thinking. And Capella SHOULD help create that anchor, especially with Collins next to him under the basket and banging for position and protecting the rim. That should be a catalyst, along with obvious growth of Reddish and Hunter. That will come. But I still don't expect miracles. We will probably be a middle of the pack defensive team next year at best. And it'll be better again the year after next, and so on.
  11. This is so vapid and parochial. If a national championship 7A high school football team was suddenly thrust into the NFL, and got smoked by everyone, I guess you'd be like, "They are just a bad team. Enough with the excuses...". Because, ya know, reality of situations doesn't matter. Those darn "excuses" are so meaningless. I'm sure anyone could run in the Olympics with a broken leg or dominate in MMA with an arm tied behind their backs, too. Circumstances... PFFT! Screw em! SMH
  12. Hunter has a DWS of 0.5, which is the same as Trae. ETA: Correction.... just looked again and Trae is a 0.6 DWS. Cam is only a 0.7. Huerter is a 0.6. Fernando a 0.4. Jones a 0.6. Bembry a 0.8. Teague a 0.2. Carter a 0.4. Goodwin a 0.2. Dedmon a 0.3. Len was a 0.6. Crabbe was 0.1. Collins is the best defender on the team with a 1.0 DWS. Just to put this in perspective, our top 9 minutes played guys have an average DWS of 0.6. And that’s a bit skewed because Collins missed 25 games. And if we go look at the Bucks top 9 minutes guys, they have an average DWS of around 2.8. Most good defensive teams are around 2.0. They have a few in the 0.x range, but more in the 2.0-4.0 range. We don’t have a player above 1.0. Most rookies and young players come into the league under 1.0, and slowly improve. Zion is only a 0.4 DWS. Steph Curry came in a 1.6, regressed to a 0.4, and then by year 6 was up around 2.9. We just have a ton of youth that hasn’t had time to build up that learned-intuition and muscle-memory. On the defensive end of the floor, they are consistently out of position, making late and improper switches, second guessing, wondering who’s job it is to do what, wild or lazy with their hands, crossing their feet, jumping late, getting beat for position in the box, staring at shots, watching and thinking rather than knowing/reacting unconsciously..... All things young inexperienced players do. And because EVERYONE is in this same experience boat, it just compounds the problem. But they will improve. They will gel. They will learn and build that intuition. They will eventually know who’s job is what and react correctly without having to think about it. But right now, they don’t have it. And all CLP can do is give them minutes and trial by fire learning to try and build that muscle-memory.
  13. Not even close to the comparison with us. Collins out 25 games. Played 1208 minutes. Huerter missed 11 games. Played 1610 minutes. Trae 6 games. Played 2010 minutes. Hunter 4 games. Played 1879 minutes. Reddish 9 games. Played 1435 minutes. Jones 9 games. Played 883 minutes. Carter 7 games. Played 812 minutes. Fernando 11 games. Played 671 minutes. Bembry 20 games. Played 915 minutes. Parker only played in 32 of 52. Played 837 minutes. Crabbe only played in 28 of 52. Played 522 minutes. Turner only played in 19 of 42. Played 251 minutes. Parsons only played in 5 of 52. Played 54 minutes. Len only missed 2 of 52 games. Played 745 minutes. As you can see, not even counting the fact Teague and Dedmon came over late, between the guys who were/are our core players, or were supposed to be part of meaningful minutes, missed 218 games. And virtually all due to injury. And, of our top 5 players in minutes, 2 are rookies, and 2 are second year players, and the last is a 3rd year player who was suspended 25 games. But this is on CLP?? Nah.
  14. This is incorrect. Think for a minute, man. There's 48 minutes in a game, and 2880 seconds. Divide that by 24 (shot clock). That's 120, 24 second shot clocks if every possession went the distance. You just listed a game with 195 possessions and 205 possessions. That's an average of 15 seconds a possession (2880/195), and 14 seconds a possession (2880/205). That's RIDICULOUS. They were not averaging 15 and 14 seconds between every shot for 48 minutes. Teams do not, and cannot possibly, keep up that pace. You're welcome to plug the numbers into this actual basketball possession calculator: https://captaincalculator.com/sports/basketball/team-possessions-calculator/ Hawks: 72.78 possessions Magic: 63.01 possessions 136 total, or a pace of 21 average seconds per possession. and Hawks: 77.48 possessions Clippers: 68.07 possessions 145 total, or a pace of 20 average seconds per possession. That said, the (0.44 x FT's) is an arbitrary load of crap. The "44%" number is pulled out of thin air. Way more than 56% of FT's come from a FGA, and way less than 44% come from an off-ball foul in bonus time or technical. Not to mention, many FT's are 1's as the result of a made FGA. There is no freaking way there is only 56% of possession overlap. It's easily... EASILY, 90%+. Free Throws should be left completely out of the equation and you'd have 1000% more accurate number. Anyway, as I said, Hawks had nearly double digit +possessions in both games. AND, the obvious deciding factor was rebounds. We were +12 and +18. Which AGAIN, means Trae being there or not being there made no difference in why the Magic and Clippers scored under 100. And for the last time, the official scoring for Trae, which is the same metrics used to gauge defensive prowess of every other player, says that Trae is a 0.6 defensive win share, and Goodwin is a 0.2 defensive win share. This system may be flawed, but it's still identically relative criteria from player to player either way, so the comparisons are obviously relative. And the metrics used to decide where players compare to each other on defense says Trae is a 0.6, which means he's not THE problem, or even the biggest problem defensively on the team. These are hard coded facts. Not conjecture based on 2 games with fabricated attempted correlation pulled out of someone's ***. But actual quantifiable facts. So yeah, whatever. Done.
  15. I did too. FREAKING REBOUNDS AND CRAP SHOOTING PERCENTAGE BY ORLANDO AND LAC. Two things Trae has NOTHING to do with. Okay, done. This is stupid.
  16. And more proof you're off the rails. I didn't say they never won WHEN Trae was out, I said they never lost/won BECAUSE Trae was out. So GTFO, bro. On top of not even understanding how to calculate possessions, you can't even be honest.
  17. LOL, this is so stupid. Why the he!! are you adding FG attempts and free throw attempts to try and come up with number of possessions??? The vast majority of fouls come on what? FG attempts. DUH Not to mention there's an obvious disparity in number of foul shots between fouls on 2pt and 3pt attempts, as well as 1-and-1's where the FG was made. This has turned into a futile wasted argument at this point. You don't even understand how to calculate possessions and yet you're telling us I'm wrong about something. Stop wasting my time. You're wrong. Deal with it. Or don't. I don't care at this point.
  18. Correlation is not causation. Number of foul shots doesn't mean a freaking thing with whatever silly point you're trying to make. Just 2 days earlier, on Jan. 20th, when Trae played, we committed 34 PF's and sent Toronto to the line for 43 shots, and they made 33 of them. On top of that, they shot 92 field goal attempts to the Hawks 83. Toronto also shot 31% from 3pt and made 13 of 42 attempts. The Raptors scored 122 points. The Clippers, 2 days later, shot 78 field goal attempts with 39 free throws. But the rebounding was 63 Hawks to only 45 Clippers. And the Hawks made 102 field goal attempts. The Clippers also only made 4 of 21 3pt attempts, a whopping 19%. 78 and 92 (opponent fga’s) vs. 102 and 83 (Hawks fga’s). Plus bad shooting to not bad shooting. The team with the most possessions and better shooting won each time. Go figure. We had much more possessions against the Clippers (+24), and much fewer possessions against Toronto (-9). And how does that disparity in possessions happen? Those things called rebounds, turnovers, and non-shooting fouls, (and the rare jump ball and technical). And since turnovers were LOW compared to our average, the bulk of the difference had to come from rebounds. Which Trae doesn't have a freaking thing to do with. Goodman had a whole 3 of 63 rebounds, so it wasn't him. And, by the way, Lou Williams still scored 18 points on Brandon while only shooting 31% (0/7 from 3pt). And I could do a similar breakdown of the Orlando game yet again too. So again, the Clippers scoring less than 100 had ZERO to do with Trae not being there.
  19. You could tell last night they did run out of gas somewhere in the middle 3rd. The pace was noticeably slower and mistakes started happening. BUT, the real reason we lost was we only shot 32%, while the Grizz shot 50% AND got 17 more rebounds than us. Everyone clearly got frustrated that shots weren't dropping, and you could see the demoralization set in when it was obvious Memphis couldn't miss a shot no matter how ugly or deep it was. It was just a bad combination. Tired + Demoralized + bad shooting = crap effort... apparently. They need to learn how to deal with that better. Their maturity levels clearly showed last night. I bet Vince Carter was livid and chewed them all new A-holes in the locker room. Hopefully held a session on growing up.
  20. Again, Trae has the SAME defensive win share as De'Andre Hunter, and only 0.1 less than Huerter and Teague, and only 0.2 less than Reddish. And as good or better than like 40 other starters in the league. The guy has blocked 2 shots in the past week, for Christ sake. One was on a guy who's 7'1. And he's averaging a steal a game. No, he is not good on defense. But he is not THE problem. It is BS to lay more on him for defensive woes than all the other guys. And it's just ridiculous to even infer that the team played better defense simply because Goodwin was in his place. A guy with a Box Plus/Minus of -2.7, and a DBPM of -1.3. Just crazytalk.
  21. What a crock. We had 52 rebounds (3rd most we've had all season) to 40 rebounds in the Orlando game and 63 freaking rebounds (by far the most all season) to 45 rebounds in the Clippers game. PLUS, we only caused 9 turnovers vs. Orlando, and 14 vs. the Clippers, and our average on the season is 17. Not to mention 8 steals and 4 blocks in the Orlando game, and 8 steals and 3 blocks in the Clippers game, which is right at, or just below, our average on the season for both. So in what world does grossly out-rebounding the other team have to do with Trae not being there? And in what world is causing below our average turnovers considered better defense? Or maybe, just maybe, Orlando shooting only 41% from the field and 58% from free throw, and Clippers 42% from the field and 64% from free throw, while being massively out-rebounded and having fewer possessions is why neither team scored 100. But yeah, Trae wasn't there. Had to be him. SMH
  22. No, it wasn't. It was dripping in backdoor snide insults. ie. "For as talented as Trae is, this team really sucks because of him. It's great to watch those 30+ footers, but the team isn't any better for it. It's great he can score so much, but his defense makes this team awful. It's great he can facilitate and get so many assists, but his turnovers make the team awful. His nutmeg's are fun, but the league doesn't need that stuff, he's just a showboat. I know he's surrounded by inexperience, but this team is bad because of Trae Young and all these other things...." What a load of absolute crap. These weren't the exact words, but this is certainly what he meant and was doing. And EVERYONE lets guys blow by them occasionally. Trae doesn't just stand there all the time and let it happen. That's a ridiculous exaggeration and not true. Trae is 10th in the league in VOR and 12th in PER. He's 10th in OWS with 5.2, and 0.5 in DWS (defensive win share - which isn't even in the bottom 3rd), which puts him tied at 275 with 28 other players, out of 512 total players. You can't just leave that on the bench and be better. That's asinine and absurd. We weren't ever better with Trae on the bench. We never won because he wasn't playing. You know who is within 0.2 or worse DWS than Trae? Cam Reddish at 0.7 DWS. Which ties him at 226th in the league. Plus all these guys, who are 25-30+ minute per game players. Most of them are starters or 6th men on their respective teams. Blake Griffin, Zion Williamson, Aron Baynes, Terrance Ferguson, Taj Gibson, Jeff Green, Cam Johnson, Damion Lee, Thon Maker, Cody Martin, Frank Ntilikina, Omari Spellman, Kenrick Williams, Ryan Arcidiacono, Jalen Brunson, Ky Bowman, Langston Galloway, Damian Lillard, CJ McCollum, Malik Monk, JJ Redick, Eric Pashall, Patty Mills, Bradley Beal, Cedi Osman, Ish Smith, Tony Snell, Rui Hachimura, Collin Sexton, Anfernee Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova, Darius Garland, Isaiah Thomas, Marco Bellineli, Gary Trent, Luke Kennard, Byrn Forbes, Damyean Dotson, Reggie Bullock, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Lonnie Walker, Jordan Poole, Thomas Bryant, Izaac Bonga, Davis Bertans, Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, E'Twaun Moore, Justin Jackson, Eric Gordon. There's 150 starters in this league, and I just named about 40 of them with nearly the same or worse defensive win share as Trae. You know who's missing off that list? DeAndre Bembry at 0.7, Jabari Parker at 0.7, Damian Jones at 0.6, Alex Len at 0.6, Kevin Huerter at 0.6, De'Andre Hunter at 0.5, Jeff Teague at 0.6, Vince Carter at 0.5, Bruno Fernando at 0.4, Brandon Goodwin at 0.2, Dewayne Dedmon at 0.2, and Evan Turner at 0.1. And you know who's leading this team in DWS? John Collins with a 1.0. Just to give you some perspective, Giannis leads the league in DWS with 4.7. So our best defender is John Collins, who's tied for 176th in the league in defense. THAT is our problem. It isn't freaking Trae Young's defense, who is actually tied for 8th on the team with Hunter. It is the fact that we don't play defense as a team. NOBODY does. And if you've ever actually played competitive team basketball before, you'd know that defense is an exponential thing. When 1-2 players excel on defense, but 3-4 don't, they drag the 1-2 down. But when you get over the hump, and 3 play good defense, they lift the other 2 up. We need to get to that point and all of a sudden we'll look like superstar defenders everywhere, including Trae. But we don't have that. We have 7-9 guys who get significant minutes, and every freaking one of them is average or below. Capela + the growth of Collins + the growth of Cam + the growth of Hunter, could easily break that threshold and fix this problem. Collins could look like a defensive monster this time next year. And Trae's "lack of defense" is going to be an afterthought non-factor. And just to give you some more perspective, Steph Curry came into the league a 1.6 DWS, and fell to a 0.4 in year 3. Then rose to a 4.1 by year 6. Giannis came in at 1.1, was 2.9 in year 3, and rose to a 5.5 by year 6. So guess what... players can and do get better at defense all the time.
  23. Man... F this MF’n clown. What a BS article. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28822418/the-problems-trae-young-signature-plays Yeah let’s ignore the fact that Collins was suspended for 25 games and then every other supporting cast starter is a freaking rookie or 2nd year player. On top of that our vet contracts were either all injured, or the one guy healthy is 101 years old and bricks 80% of his shots now. This team missed a ton of “gel” time with Collins out, the rookies were still thrown into the fire with 25-30 mins a game of 20% shooting, Len and Jones sucked, and Huerter and Trae were pressing as if only they could score or it was hopeless. Start an evaluation of this team beginning in February and it’s an entire different examination and set of conclusions, with well above league average offensive efficiency, and only just below league average defensive efficiency. Seriously, there’s 6 guys under the age of 23, and all of them have started and average around 30 mins a game or more. Actually, there’s 5 that are 21-22, and 1 that’s 23. And this jackwagon is laying droves of ignorant contentious criticism on Trae and the team as a whole. I hate it when clowns like this who clearly don’t watch our games just look at the stat lines and see Sports Center clips and decide they know WTF is really going on and can armchair GM with such certainty. Screw em. Just wait until all the pieces come together and gel. Going to make their constant Luka fellatio to Trae hate ratio look stupid. Man this burned me up.
  24. I’d still take Wiseman at #1 or #2 in a heartbeat. Probably Edwards too if we were somehow the #2 pick and he’s there. But we’re very likely going to be somewhere between 6-12. This is why I say we go for a defensive specialist to replace Bembry (who I can’t stand as he just doesn’t fit our system), or a defender to spell Collins at the 4. Trade back and get Tyler Bey (1/2/3 combo defender) or Paul Reed (3/4/5 combo defender). Or maybe even both. Topin would certainly work, too, as he’s clearly a guy who could fill that 3/4/5 combo defender role, but he also has more than that to his game, which is why I think he goes somewhere between 4-7, and might be out of our reach if we don’t have a top-7 pick. And I still think Vernon Carey Jr. should be an option too. He’s under-valued and has an “it” factor that big boards aren’t accounting for. And with Capela, Dedmon, and Fernando, we could just tuck him away and develop him for a few years, and then boom, we got an Andre Drummond clone ready to go as soon as Capela is gone.
  25. Reddish went out in the 4th with a back injury? Anyone know what’s up with him?