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Leon Troutsky

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  1. Like is this really worthy of this many pages worth of posts? This is what y’all think is the most important thing to argue about for hours? All I’m saying is that some perspective is in order here.
  2. Um, maybe I’m misreading this, but when did I say what was going on in 2016 was normal politics?
  3. What Trump has been doing the last five years is not normal and certainly not common. You’re basically saying that if every politician isn’t 100% perfect then the worst and most corrupt liar has justification to do whatever he wants. That’s perverse.
  4. I mean, for a group who prides yourselves on nihilism and fatalism about all things social and political, y’all have some extremely naive and pollyannaish views about government.
  5. I don’t think it’s okay. But it is what everybody does in campaigns and yet several people on these boards are acting like this is some kind of singular betrayal that Biden/Dems alone made this year. In the grand scheme of things, though, every politician does this kind of stuff and this one doesn’t deserve the time and energy it’s gotten. It’s like if one of the Atlanta Hawks players took a dive to draw a foul and everybody commented on it non-stop for weeks. I’d be like, “yeah, it’s wrong but this is getting blown out of proportion.”
  6. Yeah, they definitely could have dropped that line. You’re right about that one.
  7. I already said that this is taking up more time and energy than it deserves. My point in asking about an alternative message is that it’s very easy to criticize. It’s harder to offer a viable alternative. If people find themselves endlessly criticizing everything without being able to offer a reasonable alternative, then maybe those people should reconsider if their criticism is fair. ”Most folks now say yeah they shouldn’t have said $2000 repeatedly...” But many of those folks might not have voted for Biden and Dems if they had a more nuanced and complicated message. Which, agai
  8. Depends on what you mean by “good”. It was deceptive and gave a false impression about the timeline. It was also definitely more effective at winning votes than getting bogged down in caveats about congressional procedure. That’s my point about the political reality. And I still haven’t heard anyone say what Biden/Dems should have said on the campaign trail about the checks.
  9. Just the absolute worst people... In his floor speech, Cornyn said Tanden has “referred to Republicans as evil and monsters” and “peddled a completely false conspiracy theory that Russian hackers changed votes in 2016 to help President Trump.” He noted that Tanden “faces long odds, to say the least.” “My friendly advice to President Biden is to withdraw Neera Tanden’s nomination and select someone, who at the very least, has not promoted wild conspiracy theories and openly bashed people on both sides of the aisle that she happens to disagree with,” Cornyn said.
  10. I still haven’t heard anyone say what Biden/Dems should have said about the checks on the campaign trail.
  11. Bernie Sanders... “We will end the destructive war on drugs,” the 2020 Democratic presidential candidate said at rally in Cedar Rapids. “On my first day in office through executive order we will legalize marijuana in every state in this country.” ^^^He actually can’t do that, on Day One or any time afterward.
  12. Compared to a credible attempt to overturn an election, overthrow the U.S. government, and install an authoritarian regime...
  13. And if people were harping on a delay in his “Day One” agenda every day, multiple times a day (again, not you) then I would have said the same thing about such criticism being overblown. But we both know that if that had happened the complaints wouldn’t have been aimed at Bernie but at the people causing the delay.
  14. If people want to argue with me, could y’all kindly argue with the posts that I’ve made instead of arguments/positions I never stated? Thanks.
  15. Again, nobody is disputing what was said. You’re responding to an argument that I never made.
  16. And every politician uses the same lofty “Day One” type rhetoric. Again, it would be nice if they would be honest and realistic about timelines. It would also be nice if voters didn’t attack them for being honest and did not reward their opponents for using that lofty rhetoric. That’s why I said in the grand scheme of things, I think the amount of time and energy given to this is overblown. It’s pretty standard practice in politics. Bernie Sanders had a laundry list of “Day One” promises he made during the primary, as well. Doubtful he would have been able to make good on all of them in
  17. The first post didn’t mention a timeline. Not sure why you’re posting those quotes because nobody disputes what was said. I’ve already addressed that.
  18. Is the criticism here about the amount of the checks or about when they would go out?
  19. What else did they over promise and are threatening to under deliver on?
  20. Three months? They’ve only been in control for one month. Let’s be honest, though...how badly would people have mocked and attacked them if they had spent December on the campaign trail saying, “if you elect us then we’ll send checks after going through an arcane procedural rule called reconciliation process that can take some time to play itself out because Republicans will threaten to filibuster, but after several weeks we will be able to bypass the filibuster and send the checks out sometime in March or April”? SHOULD politicians be honest about the tedious nuances of congressi
  21. Except the GOP lied about repealing the ACA...it was never something they were going to do. Democrats didn’t lie about the checks. They’re working on it and it’s taking longer than it should... ...because the GOP will filibuster any stimulus bill, which requires using reconciliation, which takes weeks to work through the process. The House parliamentarian won’t even rule on whether the minimum wage increase is allowed under reconciliation until tomorrow! They literally cannot move forward on the legislation until that happens.
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