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Leon Troutsky

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  1. 35 minutes ago, Herr Beast said:

    The Arab spring was one big disaster. The total scale of suffering that resulted from this so called Arab spring is the biggest since WWII and the whole chapter is far from being finished.

    As I said, I’m not advocating anything.  Just posting observations.  I think understanding whether these protests fizzle out quickly when police/military crack down on them versus accomplishing something is going to depend on them uniting behind a few leaders and a specific set of goals or changes they want.  That’s all I’m saying.


  2. I want to be VERY clear that I’m NOT advocating for anything specific in this post.  I’m just posting some observations about what’s going on with the protests.

    I said last night that this feels like the Arab Spring to me in terms of its organization and scope.  What is missing, however, is a very clear goal or list of demands.  The April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt built the protests to a critical mass and then had a clear demand that Mubarak resign and other reforms involving the police.  It was independent of any political party, although they did align with the Muslim Brotherhood during the protests.  

    If the protestors or whomever is organizing them want to effect some kind of change and prevent this from fizzling out and overtaken by the next story, they need to have a clear set of leaders to speak on their behalf and they need to have a clear set of policy changes (or resignations of political leaders) to articulate and publicize.  They have the attention of the public and the politicians.  Now would be the time to translate that into specific goals or changes they want by uniting behind a specific set of goals or changes they want.


  3. 1 minute ago, Jpizzle said:

    So as of the current moment I'm an unofficial employee of the Falcons and I have to carry myself as such for the existence of this particular subforum. Anyways here's my next post.

     

     

     

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  4. 9 minutes ago, Carter said:

    It’s not hard to use a platform as popular as Twitter to put information out. Protesting is free and people are passionate about this. Poster board and markers costs $10 or less. Certainly there is some coordination, but I don’t think there’s a massive level of organization on this honestly. There is probably more organization from the people getting in and trying to escalate and change the narrative to marginalize the issues imo.

    I’m not saying that organization is a bad thing.  Nor am I saying it’s some super centralized hierarchy.  I’m simply saying that this type of widespread, large-scale protest doesn’t happen without massive organizing.  Look at the April 6 Youth Movement in Egypt during the Arab Spring.  This looks very similar to that, I think.  

    Honestly, I only mention it because I find it extremely impressive, if that’s what is going on.


  5. I want to point out, shamelessly stealing an idea from @JDaveG, that I don’t see anyone on the right on these boards defending the police this time.  And a lot of people who otherwise might be inclined to denounce the protests are saying, “yeah, I can’t condemn that because I can’t understand what it’s like to be black in America”.  

    Lostone, I think, said this feels different.  That’s part of it...there is no “other side” this time.  


  6. Guys, the level of organization on social media and grassroots that it takes to pull off these types of large-scale simultaneous protests around a country the size of America is enormous.  I don’t say this negatively against the protests, either.  I’m just saying that there has been a massive level of organization behind the scenes to create protests this widespread and this large.  


  7. 3 minutes ago, BamaBirdLady said:

    I am so sorry. 

    This event has shook me to my core, my family too. We have asked what can we do and I don't know the answer, but I want to help somehow.

     

    I can’t begin to speak for the African American community or victims of this kind of abuse, but a good first step is what you’re doing — understanding that the problem exists and acknowledging it openly.  For too long certain groups would outright deny that there’s a problem or would engage in victim blaming.  We can’t even begin to talk about solutions to the problem until we all recognize that there is a problem, that it’s long-standing, and that it’s systemic.  


  8. Looks like it’s 3rd degree murder — does not include the intent to kill, but does include ignoring or overlooking a dangerous situation that would likely cause death (my paraphrasing, not legal jargon).  Prosecutor also said more charges could be forthcoming.


  9. 18 minutes ago, Carter said:

     

    When I was living in Indonesia, there was some very bad flooding (like in Miami) in the city, especially near the coastline.  This guy on a motorscooter was driving with water almost to his knees.  He reached down, picked up a giant fish, and kept driving.  It was **** impressive.


  10. 8 minutes ago, The Monarch said:

    People Can Only Bear So Much Injustice Before Lashing Out

     

    “I would never throw a rock at the police. I would never throw a brick through the window of a big-box store. I would never set fire to an office building. But I want to. I understand why some people do.

    I know I am supposed to counsel “nonviolence.” I’m a 42-year old man with a wife, two kids, and a mortgage; I’ve got a college degree and a law degree and a blue checkmark on Twitter; I know I am supposed to shun “rioters” and “looters” who allegedly cede the moral high ground of protests when they respond to tear gas and rubber bullets with stone and flame. But every person has a limit to the injustice they can bear before lashing out.

    ...

    The fact that most black people do not pick up the rock in that situation is a miracle. The fact that the overwhelming majority of black people respond to the violence and terrorism practiced against us with words and songs instead of rocks and bricks is altogether supernatural. America should be thankful black and brown people respond to state-sponsored violence with nonviolence. In other parts of the world, the injustice regularly practiced by the white American paramilitary forces known as the “local police” would be met with IEDs and guerilla war tactics. Here, black people take to the streets and almost all of us do so nonviolently. America is the luckiest place on Earth.”

    That’s where I’m at with a lot of this.  It’s too easy to sit in my quiet suburban neighborhood and pooh pooh these actions.  I have to think about how I would react if I lived in that neighborhood and saw this kind of violence against people of color for decades with no justice, even when it’s caught on tape and involves the most nauseatingly cruel examples of police brutality that I’ve ever seen.  I’d like to think that I wouldn’t chuck a rock at police, but not having lived with that terror and abuse for decades I’m not sure what I would do.  

    It’s not my place to judge their actions in response to a situation I’ve never lived through.

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