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Matt Ryan Espn Stat For Longer Throws
NFL Draft Fan 07 replied to IllinoisFalcon's topic in Talk About the Falcons
I posted all these stats in my article: https://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/matt-ryan-is-he-overrated/ Not sure where Pat got that stat, but ESPN listed him as 10/38 on all throws that were 21+ yards or further. Definitely not 40+%. However, his best season was his rookie year when he was 21/55 on 21+ throws for 755 yards, 5 TD's and 2 INT's. So it's been a steady regression ever since. -
Matt Ryan Espn Stat For Longer Throws
NFL Draft Fan 07 replied to IllinoisFalcon's topic in Talk About the Falcons
I mentioned this in my article that was posted yesterday. Ryan had his best season in this department as a rookie and has steadily become less efficient on downfield throws. It's pretty perplexing, but it has a lot to do with his arm strength. -
That's the thing though, Ryan has been being discussed as a potentially elite QB since he was a rookie. Every year the excuse is "well it's only his 2nd year, wait for year three" then it's "well it's year three, just wait for year four." Now it's year four and now QB's can't be judged until after five years. I'm just saying, every year he doesn't take significant steps forward then it is explained that he needs another year before he can be fairly judged. At some point you have to take stock of what he is and what he realistically might become. And I think it's fair to say that he isn't going
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Yes it requires more arm strength than Ryan has because it's a raw arm strength kind of throw without his feet set. I can't say that it was that great of a decision even though it worked out well, because it was a bit of a 50/50 ball that Smith just went up and made a play on in my opinion. Still a great throw from a physical standpoint, but I'm not sure it was the best decision. I agree he was bailing prematurely, but if his eyes were upfield the whole time you'd think he would have found Smith sooner than he did. Regardless, I agree it was a play made my a playmaker from Newton's perspectiv
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The reason he doesn't have his feet set is that he was getting ready to take off and run before he pulled up before he cross the LOS after he saw Smith downfield. Can't tell if he drops his eyes or not, but he was not just "calmly stepping up into the pocket" he was getting ready to scramble for the first down before he made a very impressive throw without setting his feet.
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In the couple of games that I have seen of him this year that wasn't always the case. But there will be plenty of time to see if he plays like you say he does. I would disagree with you about him having the best pocket awareness of any rookie QB since Marino, but that's just my opinion.
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You are mistaking pocket awareness and pocket mobility for Cam consistently looking to leave the pocket rather than side step and make throws within the pocket. Cam is an impressive QB for a rookie, but let's not act like he is a perfect, mechanically sound QB that everyone knew was going to be a stud. He vastly outperformed my expectations but he still misses throws, holds onto the ball too long at times and will force passes into coverage. He's a rookie and he's playing well, but let's try to keep this in perspective.
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Trig I was never a "huge home and ryan lover" in fact when he came into the league I questioned whether he could be a good QB at all due to a lack of arm strength. After I watched him play and he played well I admitted that I was wrong and that he had the arm strength to be a quality QB in the NFL and had optimism like the rest of the fan base that he could be a really good QB based off of his rookie season. The last two years I patiently waited and supported him waiting for him to make his mistakes and ultimately progress from them. Last year I thought he was getting ready to put it together
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I'm just not convinced that he has that potential to be like Brady even in that offense. Brady makes the guys around him better in that scheme and has played very well without much of a running game for a number of years without the same playmakers that Ryan has had. Look what happened when Brady had Moss, he broke a TD record. Then he left and the Patriots didn't skip much of a beat, and Brady started the season this year like a man on fire. There's nothing wrong with admitting that Ryan is a good QB but that he isn't great. It just means that we need to have a better defense to win a Superbo
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For All You Idiots Knocking Ryan
NFL Draft Fan 07 replied to falcons faithful's topic in Talk About the Falcons
Just because people are acknowledging the fact that Ryan isn't an elite QB and, in my opinion, probably never will be doesn't mean that they are blaming him exclusively for our 2-3 record. Our pass defense is bad and needs to be upgraded (both our secondary and our pass rush) and we need a LT and a RG unless Mike Johnson can step up at RG. Later in the season if we aren't in the playoff hunt I would like to see him get his shot at that spot. Ryan isn't the reason we are 2-3, but he has contributed to it just like everyone else. -
I think Ryan has good/great positional players. LT and RG are serious issues on our OL, and Hawley is unproven at Center. I saw some things last night that made me a little optimistic, but it's a small sample size. Having a LT like Baker is a serious issue that needs to be addressed. Only problem is we don't have a shot at a quality OT because we dealt away so many picks for Julio. And it's pretty clear that Turner has lot a step or two. He's not the same player he was before we wore him down with so many carries. In a year or two we are going to regret not picking up another every down back t
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The fact that we got to Rodgers as much as we did says a lot considering they were playing without Bulaga and Clifton for almost the entire game says a lot about our pass rush: It needs to be upgraded.
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You make some good points, some similar ones that I made in my article, but to insinuate that Vince Young, David Garrard and Ryan Fitzpatrick would be preferable to Matt Ryan in our scheme with our current personnel is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. There are some debatable guys on there, but obviously you would prefer a guy like Rodgers, Brady, etc. They're elite QB's who are proven Super Bowl champions. We can win with Ryan, we just need to surround him with more talent than we anticipated. We need to bolster our offensive line (LT and RG, we aren't as far away as I thought. Hawley has ups
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In the three losses last year Turner had 19 carries for 42 yards (L to Pitt), 15 carries for 45 yards (L to Eagles), 17 carries for 48 yards (L to Saints). It's arguable we should have lost to the 49ers if not for Roddy's miracle forced fumble, and that game was close as Turner had 16 carries for only 50 yards. In our wins: AZ- 9 carries, 75 yards NO- 30 carries, 114 yards and 1 TD CLE- 19 carries, 140 yards CIN- 23 carries, 121 yards, 2 TD's TB- 24 carries, 107 yards, 2 TD's BAL- 17 carries, 39 yards (close game, 26-21 but we won despite Turner) STL- 28 carries, 131 yards, 1 TD GB- 23 carries
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I wrote an article last year at about this same time suggesting that Ryan was not an elite quarterback, rather that he was a good quarterback that we could win a Superbowl with if we had a good team around him. He's not a guy that makes everyone around him better necessarily. After watching Ryan for the first five games of this season, I'm still not convinced that he's ever going to be an elite quarterback. So here is my post that I put up earlier today explaining why I think that way. http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/matt-ryan-is-he-overrated/ Looking forward to seeing what s