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    vel got a reaction from Monolith2001 in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from AUTiger7222 in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    That's what's frustrated me about this defense. You don't even see the attempts at plays like what Bates is doing. That's because:
    1. Rico and Kazee are corners playing safety. They are not natural safeties
    2. The coaches are teaching a very conservative style of an aggressive defense
    Cover 3 is always met with CBs playing off because they have to protect the deep. They're fine giving up the underneath, because there are LBs/S underneath them in the hook/curl/flats. 
    The Seahawks Cover 3 put the CBs at the LOS to disrupt timing and put the CBs in trail, taking away the comebacks, but putting stress on the deep space because they are now in a compromised position. But when you have a safety who has sideline to sideline range, it works because they always have over the top help now. But I just don't feel like they are teaching it this way. They are teaching basic Cover 3 principles and that's why Kazee is always parked in the middle of the field. They're putting the CBs in a compromised position of being press corners but never getting in a trail position because they need to be able to guard a vert route with no help. Who can do that? 
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    vel got a reaction from AUTiger7222 in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from quickzero in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    We're just civilians KOG. Plain guys in street clothes. We don't know anything. 
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    We have a cluster at safety based on usage and ability. He looked very rough Sunday. Expecting him to look any other way was naive. 
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    Ah then yea fully agree. Now, let's not start on the SS talk... 👀 cuz I've been waiting on folks to get there as well. Expecting a player who's played 3 games in two years to just step in but who are we to talk?
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    I'll challenge you on the bold. We have locked the center of the field. But that's ALL they've done. There weren't many throws to the deep middle, hence why Kazee "grades" well on PFF. But he's not doing anything. 
    And a comment about being excited about Rico?! I never thought I'd see that, even if it is posthumous lol. But they just don't have instincts. That's the issue. They think Kazee does because he had INTs in college and the pros, but don't understand he views the game through the lens of a CB: protect my side. He's not shifted to "protect everybody". He's never even positioning his pedal to help anybody outside the numbers, just a straight back pedal between the hashes. Rinse. Repeat. 
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    That's what it's going to look like with a range limited FS and the CBs playing aggressive press. They have to have perfect technique or it's 6. Find me a perfect human and they'll be a perfect CB for this defense. 
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    That's what's frustrated me about this defense. You don't even see the attempts at plays like what Bates is doing. That's because:
    1. Rico and Kazee are corners playing safety. They are not natural safeties
    2. The coaches are teaching a very conservative style of an aggressive defense
    Cover 3 is always met with CBs playing off because they have to protect the deep. They're fine giving up the underneath, because there are LBs/S underneath them in the hook/curl/flats. 
    The Seahawks Cover 3 put the CBs at the LOS to disrupt timing and put the CBs in trail, taking away the comebacks, but putting stress on the deep space because they are now in a compromised position. But when you have a safety who has sideline to sideline range, it works because they always have over the top help now. But I just don't feel like they are teaching it this way. They are teaching basic Cover 3 principles and that's why Kazee is always parked in the middle of the field. They're putting the CBs in a compromised position of being press corners but never getting in a trail position because they need to be able to guard a vert route with no help. Who can do that? 
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from Ergo Proxy in Notes: 9/19   
    This is always such a stupid stat to quote. Completely ignores game flow/situation. 
    Just run it 25 times to open the game and we win. Game over. Not how it works. But that's how it's presented. 
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    vel got a reaction from Precyse in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from Skin doc in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    That's what's frustrated me about this defense. You don't even see the attempts at plays like what Bates is doing. That's because:
    1. Rico and Kazee are corners playing safety. They are not natural safeties
    2. The coaches are teaching a very conservative style of an aggressive defense
    Cover 3 is always met with CBs playing off because they have to protect the deep. They're fine giving up the underneath, because there are LBs/S underneath them in the hook/curl/flats. 
    The Seahawks Cover 3 put the CBs at the LOS to disrupt timing and put the CBs in trail, taking away the comebacks, but putting stress on the deep space because they are now in a compromised position. But when you have a safety who has sideline to sideline range, it works because they always have over the top help now. But I just don't feel like they are teaching it this way. They are teaching basic Cover 3 principles and that's why Kazee is always parked in the middle of the field. They're putting the CBs in a compromised position of being press corners but never getting in a trail position because they need to be able to guard a vert route with no help. Who can do that? 
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    vel got a reaction from Skin doc in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from federicofalcon2 in Notes: 9/19   
    This is always such a stupid stat to quote. Completely ignores game flow/situation. 
    Just run it 25 times to open the game and we win. Game over. Not how it works. But that's how it's presented. 
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    vel reacted to TheFatboi in Notes: 9/19   
    In a perfect world it would go that way. I think DK abandoned the run too soon and gurley still should’ve run the ball 20+ times but those poor decisions caused them to get so far behind they had to play catch-up. 14-12 going into half was perfect gurley territory. In other words that article says control the game. What I don’t like is giving up on the run because it’s getting 1 yard...3 yards...2 yards. Keep pounding. Eventually one will pop but not only that they see your dedication to the run and are forced to stay honest. This Dallas game they HAVE HAVE HAVE to feed gurley. Let play-action feed off of that and keep their defense off balance. First offensive play of the game I’d go Play action to Julio/Rid/Gage deep. And Quinn has to make better decisions to NOT put them in position to get 3 scores behind. Dallas KNOWS we want to toss it around. So give a heavy dose of gurley early and often. Set the tone with him. But can DK DO that is the question. 
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    vel got a reaction from Atl Falcon in Notes: 9/19   
    This is always such a stupid stat to quote. Completely ignores game flow/situation. 
    Just run it 25 times to open the game and we win. Game over. Not how it works. But that's how it's presented. 
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    vel got a reaction from Ovie_Lover in Notes: 9/19   
    This is always such a stupid stat to quote. Completely ignores game flow/situation. 
    Just run it 25 times to open the game and we win. Game over. Not how it works. But that's how it's presented. 
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    vel got a reaction from Geaux_Falcons in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    That's what's frustrated me about this defense. You don't even see the attempts at plays like what Bates is doing. That's because:
    1. Rico and Kazee are corners playing safety. They are not natural safeties
    2. The coaches are teaching a very conservative style of an aggressive defense
    Cover 3 is always met with CBs playing off because they have to protect the deep. They're fine giving up the underneath, because there are LBs/S underneath them in the hook/curl/flats. 
    The Seahawks Cover 3 put the CBs at the LOS to disrupt timing and put the CBs in trail, taking away the comebacks, but putting stress on the deep space because they are now in a compromised position. But when you have a safety who has sideline to sideline range, it works because they always have over the top help now. But I just don't feel like they are teaching it this way. They are teaching basic Cover 3 principles and that's why Kazee is always parked in the middle of the field. They're putting the CBs in a compromised position of being press corners but never getting in a trail position because they need to be able to guard a vert route with no help. Who can do that? 
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    vel got a reaction from The Architect in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from Drew4719 in Notes: 9/19   
    This is always such a stupid stat to quote. Completely ignores game flow/situation. 
    Just run it 25 times to open the game and we win. Game over. Not how it works. But that's how it's presented. 
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    vel got a reaction from SoCalFalconFan in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    The problem with the Falcons Cover 3 is that people think the zones are "Three deep zones" but forget the safety should overlap the outside deep thirds. Effectively, it becomes deep down field doubles. See below:
    Jessie Bates is a dog on the back end. But look at how he regularly makes plays outside the numbers. This allows your CBs to play aggressive but still have safety help. This diagram is basically how the Falcons play Cover 3 with Kazee at FS. No overlap. 

    Teams know it and they know he's not making plays out there. This is also why they suck so terribly at covering trips. It shifts Kazee out of position and they just pick on the lone CB backside, which is usually Oliver. That's why people think Oliver sucks. He doesn't. Just look at the video of Bates. His CB gets beat twice on a vert route outside the numbers. That is VERY common. But Bates comes over and makes the play because he has the range to do it. 
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    vel got a reaction from ATLskinjob in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    That's what's frustrated me about this defense. You don't even see the attempts at plays like what Bates is doing. That's because:
    1. Rico and Kazee are corners playing safety. They are not natural safeties
    2. The coaches are teaching a very conservative style of an aggressive defense
    Cover 3 is always met with CBs playing off because they have to protect the deep. They're fine giving up the underneath, because there are LBs/S underneath them in the hook/curl/flats. 
    The Seahawks Cover 3 put the CBs at the LOS to disrupt timing and put the CBs in trail, taking away the comebacks, but putting stress on the deep space because they are now in a compromised position. But when you have a safety who has sideline to sideline range, it works because they always have over the top help now. But I just don't feel like they are teaching it this way. They are teaching basic Cover 3 principles and that's why Kazee is always parked in the middle of the field. They're putting the CBs in a compromised position of being press corners but never getting in a trail position because they need to be able to guard a vert route with no help. Who can do that? 
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    vel got a reaction from VTCrunkler in Time To Move On From Cover 3   
    That's what's frustrated me about this defense. You don't even see the attempts at plays like what Bates is doing. That's because:
    1. Rico and Kazee are corners playing safety. They are not natural safeties
    2. The coaches are teaching a very conservative style of an aggressive defense
    Cover 3 is always met with CBs playing off because they have to protect the deep. They're fine giving up the underneath, because there are LBs/S underneath them in the hook/curl/flats. 
    The Seahawks Cover 3 put the CBs at the LOS to disrupt timing and put the CBs in trail, taking away the comebacks, but putting stress on the deep space because they are now in a compromised position. But when you have a safety who has sideline to sideline range, it works because they always have over the top help now. But I just don't feel like they are teaching it this way. They are teaching basic Cover 3 principles and that's why Kazee is always parked in the middle of the field. They're putting the CBs in a compromised position of being press corners but never getting in a trail position because they need to be able to guard a vert route with no help. Who can do that? 
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