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Posts posted by ket222

  1. a bit discouraging he wasn't in g-dawg's top twenty for second day

    1. Justin Madubuike, DT - Texas A&M
    2. A.J. Epenesa, DE - Iowa
    3. Zach Baun, LB/EDGE - Wisconsin
    4. Nevin Gallimore, DT - Oklahoma
    5. Ezra Cleveland, OT - Boise State
    6. J.K. Dobbins, RB - Ohio State
    7. Jeremy Chinn, S - Southern Illinois
    8. Jordan Elliott, DT - Missouri
    9. Lloyd Cushenberry, C/OG - LSU
    10. Ashtyn Davis, S - Cal
    11. Matt Hennessy, C - Temple
    12. Davon Hamilton, DT - Ohio State
    13. Curtis Weaver, EDGE - Boise State
    14. Willie Gay, OLB - Miss. State
    15. Julian Okwara, EDGE - Notre Dame
    16. Joshua Uche, EDGE - Michigan
    17. Akeem Davis-Gaither, LB - Appalachian State
    18. Logan Wilson, LB - Wyoming
    19. Raekwon Davis, DT - Alabama
    20. Chase Claypool, TE - Notre Dame
    21. Nick Harris, C - Washington
    22. Terrell Lewis, EDGE - Alabama

  2. yes there are die hards who want to win despite all consequences.  But what I care not at all about is seeing a mediocre team winning meaningless game--or better, many fans just stop watching altogether.  I tried but just couldn't watch this team the last half of the season for more than a few minutes here and there.  All I care about is getting to a super bowl and to do that we needed very high draft picks given how little money we have for FAs.  In my world, that makes me a fan.  I'm just not blindly loyal--it hurts too much to see us mediocre year after year.

    It's a little like the South continuing to fight a much stronger enemy that was bound to win in time, just stubborn pride.

  3. AMEN

    never been so discouraged as a fan, just meh   we HAD to bring in talent this year to be anything more than mediocre   how is it people on this board figure out such creative scenarios, and our GM can't even think to move back and get picks along with a great safety or the second best DE in the draft?  7-9 next year if we're lucky with so many good teams to play, but hey maybe tickets will be cheaper

  4. except we never would have had the 4th pick without tanking!

    I'd take 1989 Fan's picks any day over what we will end up with. 

    I agree I shouldn't have been so sensitive though, I really didn't mean to make it controversial and was trying something different from "those threads made all the time"  A thought experiment with an underlying point--without bold long term thinking (and risk taking) Blank will never produce what we all want.  I think it will be a good draft, but we probably need better than good if we want to do more than Blank's attitude of just needing to make the playoffs   like I said I am impressed with our FAs and hope they reach their potential

  5. I knew I was taking a chance with posting this.  No problem if people don't want to jump in.  There is a book called What If of articles by well known historians with questions like "What if D Day had failed?"  Or "What if the british soldier who had Washington in his sights had chosen to shoot?"  I happen to find these questions interesting, and am tired of the innumerable "we will pick Chaisson or Kenlaw" posts.  It's a boring time of the year so I tried to mix it up. 

    It's impractical and unrealistic I know, given our situation.  But what it does point to is the idea that we'd be in a much better potential position if our organization (Blank, coaches etc) had decided to go another direction than win meaningless games at all costs.  I could only afford to take my daughter to one game this year against the Titans, and we just looked awful--it's left a bad taste in my mouth ever since and I remain unconvinced Blank is willing to do everything needed to get back to a super bowl.  don't want to open a can of worms here, so please don't make this a tanking debate

    I have no problems with closing the thread if there is no interest in the original question.  Just wish guys here would be open to ideas and not so reflexively defensive or jerky  thank you for your comment Roanoke Falcon

  6. not sure why you have to be an obnoxious ^&&** about it.  I specifically said this wasn't a tank vs non tank thread.  are you truly saying no tanking has ever occurred?  all year long I heard the experts say the dolphins were tanking (on nfl channel, espn) by letting go of some of their best players (their great OT for example) and trying to draft tua   it may be that players don't want to tank but organizations might and other threads have mentioned how this might be done--playing their top players less because of "fear of injury" etc. 

    I thought it would be interesting to see what we'd do if we had  a  top 5 pick

  7. Like many of you (perhaps the silent majority?) I am an admitted tanker.  While I'm surprised how well our FA choices have looked and think we can get a good first rounder at 16, this team needed both a new head coach (who can make changes mid way through games) and a boatload of great draft picks to have any chance at being elite.  Imagine for a moment if we had both a great new coach and picked within the top 5 for the draft.  The excitement would be real-I personally pretty much lost interest in the second half of the season and that's never happened before.  This is NOT a debate tanking vs. non-tanking thread!  I don't know lots about the draft, as I'm just a typical fan.  I'm looking to the experts here to become GMs for a day and share your strategies.

    A couple scenarios.  Let's say we have the 4th pick in the draft.  Who would you pick or would you draft back and pick up additional picks?  It appears that there are several teams that would trade up and sacrifice a lot to get one of the top QBs.  Would a Robert Griffen trade back be possible (You know the trade. In an effort to acquire Robert Griffin III, the Washington Redskins traded three first-round picks and a second-round selection for the St. Louis Rams' No. 2 overall selection)? 

    Option 1: pick at 4 - Okudah or Brown.  What would your choice be?

    Option 2: trade back to around 10.  Pick 4 is worth 1800.  Pick 10 is worth 1300.  Get an extra high second rounder (500).  Maybe get Kinlaw?

    Option 3: trade back for a team desperate for a QB and willing to overpay (not quite so much as the R Griffen deal but an extra high second, third and next year's second).  what would be a realistic trade with what team and what could we get for it?

    Add who you would select for the second and third rounds, including extra picks if we trade back.  Any ideas?

  8. A cowardly tanker I am then!  again, I'd gladly bet if the nfl wasn't so ridiculously unpredictable   the falcons just beat the 49ers! ha    I always wonder about those vegas guys who advertise and claim to win all the time  if so why do they need me to put down bets?  wouldn't they already be ridiculously rich?  do they do this out of the goodness of their hearts? 

    also I wonder if the nfl is rigged but that's another can of worms  you can go on youtube and find a couple rather 'questionable' incidents including where a running back signals with his hand to a defensive player to let him in the end zone

  9. unless you are rich, I'd say you might want to stop gambling altogether seriously that's a lot to lose   the problem is that it's almost impossible to consistently bet well in the nfl   I frequently think "I'll pretend I will bet on game X and game Y because obviously so and so team will win" but I'm often humbled.  so many teams win that simply shouldn't given their past against seemingly much better teams   sorry if I sound judgmental, I truly don't mean to be

  10. i think it's crazy to call a top 10 pick wildly overrated.  we might not have done a great job in the past but we're much more likely to find elite talent there  

     we needed an elite draft and we just wrecked our chances since the next two games are relatively easy to win  we are picking at 12 at this point per tankathon  I really think we've once again screwed ourselves and will be forever a bit above average especially given our lack of money for free agents, aging players, etc.  I would have at least been really excited about the draft this year if we had a top 3-4 pick -- we could have even dropped down and picked up more picks    there is just nothing exciting about this team anymore unless your biggest qualification is winning the occasional 'exciting game' rather than championships  

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