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  1. Wonder how this conversation would change if/when Atlanta signs 2 impact EDGE free agents. It's the best DE class in a decade as of right now:

    Justin Houston, Greg Hardy, Jason Pierre-Paul are the top 3 (All-Pro caliber guys), then Jerry Hughes and Brian Orakpo (multi Pro Bowl dominant if healthy types), then a bunch of guys with star ability: Derrick Morgan, Jabaal Sheard, Olivier Vernon, Jason Worilds, Brandon Graham.

    Assume JHou, JPP are tagged.

    If ATL can land one stud LDE (Hardy/DMorgan/Sheard) and one stud RDE (Orakpo/Hughes/Vernon) -- then we have 2 starting DEs without using #8 pick.

    Ideal is Hardy + Orakpo, with Orakpo getting a 1 year fully guaranteed prove-it deal to re-hit free agency next year or re-sign.

    Pending on what else happens in FA (CB Byron? FS WHill? MLB Spikes? C RHudson? TE Julius? RB Forsett/Mathews?) other holes may get filled as well.

    The KJ Wright 4-3 SLB type could still be taken at #8 (Vic Beasley/Shane Ray/Bud Dupree[?]) or atop Rd 2 (Stephone Anthony/Benardrick McKinney/Shaq Thompson). Big Q that TD/Pioli/Quinn need to figure out is: Is Prince Shembo that guy?

    But CB (Trae Waynes), FS (Landon Collins), RT (La'El Collins), DT (Danny Shelton) could be seen as #1 need --- while WR Kevin White or Amari Cooper or Dorial Green-Beckham could be seen as best player available (think NYG going WR Odell #9 with huge needs at DE, OL, S). Maybe a shot at a pair of Julio's (Julio+KWhite) is too hard to ignore.

  2. Rams re-signed Saffold as an OG --- not an OT. They were very clear about that. Think it's clear Rams take Watkins at #2 or trade down. Can take an OT at #13 hopefully like Lewan who crushed the combine and he would be getting a ton of hype as the athletic mauler if Robinson wasn't in this draft. Lewan could have a floor of NYG at #12 tho, so it is possible STL will trade up to #8 to get Lewan or Matthews.

    OAK losing Veldheer & Saffold fail, while signing DEs Woodley + Tuck and DT/DE Antonio Smithw as easily the biggest bonus ATL got in FA. I always thought JAX was going QB (their GM comes from ATL where we took Matt Ryan over Dorsey/McFadden/Gholston at #3 and their GM has said he wants to take a QB like we did if one grades out as a franchise guy-- but the signing of Seattle's LDE and RDE when Bradley was DC certainly helps.

  3. "No brainer" would certainly describe spending #37 on a SS prospect lucky to crack the top 75, with the idea of making him a FS.

    Dude no offense but he is a free safety, not a strong safety. You clearly haven't watched him play. The guys who spend their lives breaking down film and ranking draft prospects acknowledge that he is a free safety with great range, instincts, and is an excellent tackler -- best former tackling FS I've ever seen on tape which is impressive considering he comes flying into the frame with 4.35-ish speed.

    Just because he is 6'1 with some size doesn't make him a strong safety. At all. Watch his film then join the Deone Bucannon conversation. I understand we have a big need at OT and TE, and there may be good OTs and TEs at our 2nd rounder, but there won't be good free safeties after our 2nd rounder and there will be good OTs and TEs.

    McShay rightfully says this kid can rise into the end of the 1st round -- he is the biggest, strongest, fastest safety of the top 4 safeties and he generates the most turnovers via INTs. Word out of the Senior Bowl was that our coaches LOVED Bucannon -- big time. They watched fly around the back end breaking up passes masking CBs flaws by preventing deep completions, and watched him FLY up in run support and snuff out the run before it got into the second level. Kid is the real deal.

    Don't let your view of our team needs cloud your assessment of Deone as a player. That is a mistake.

  4. Bucannon in the 2nd i could live with just prefer in the 3rd

    Of course we'd all prefer him in the 3rd. But we cut DeCoud and didn't sign Byrd, Delmas, or any FS. Champ nor Woodson has the speed to really cover the field from centerfield at this point anyway and Champ Bailey is one of my all time favorite players.

    If we pass on Bucannon because we think the value is better in the 3rd and a team like San Fran takes him late 2nd -- we don't get him, and here are also no quality free safeties left so we will have a MAJOR hole at free safety that we just can't cover up.

    While taking an OT like Kouandjio or a TE like Seferian-Jenkins would be great in the 2nd, we can perform well on O without them. We really just need a receiving weapon to complement Toilolo (I love ASJ and would applaud the pick tho) like AC Moore or taking a chance on a ? Finally like a Lyerla in the 7th. Cyrus would be a sick RT who can take over left tackle, but we still have Baker and we have Johnson and Holmes at RT.

    We have NO ONE at FS. And I promise you, Deone is worth our 2nd round pick as well. Aside from OLB it is our only defensive need. We have 3 starting CBs, 3 good ILBs, a ton of DLs, and a good SS.

    Adding Clowney or Mack or even Barr in the 1st to go with Kroy at OLB and Deone to go with Moore at S --- could very well mean we have a great defense this year.

    We can add an OT in the 3rd like JaWuan James who is an underrated left tackle. And it looks like OG Cyril Richardson will fall too. Seantrel could be available in the 4th or 5th.

    Ideally I'd love to see 1) OLB Jadaveon Clowney 2) TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins 3) FS Deone Bucannon 4) WR Martavis Bryant 5) RB Ka'Deem Carey 6) OT Seantrel Henderson. But I wouldn't mind taking Deone one round earlier -- he may go before we even pick in Rd 2 -- and then focusing on a receiving TE later.

  5. Too early for FS. There will still be good talent in core positions available.

    Muskogean you are right that there may be "higher rated" talent available, but I wrote a TON about this kid yesterday and I believe that he will be our 2nd round pick because we can't risk losing him in the 2nd round waiting for our 3rd pick which is likely since he is at worst the #4 S and the top 3 could go in around 1.

    In terms of upside tho, Deone will be the best safety in this draft by 2015 and I would bet on it. He is the biggest, as well as the fastest, as well as the most consistently turnover generating S in college. If he went to a major program like LSU or USC he would be a Top 15 pick -- truly believe that. I was a big Eric Reid fan and wanted us to take him last year, but I disagree with the notion that he's a less fluid Reid -- people are just saying that because he went to WSU. He is EXPLOSIVE on tape, and not just big hit explosive. He gets to the ball in a HURRY and can deliver a crushing blow to separate the receiver from the ball as well as intercept as he has solid instincts and great hands.

    Best of all, Deone consistently comes flying in from deep centerfield using his high 4.3 speed and successfully tackles in the open field -- using proper form tackling technique! He doesn't usually go for lowering the boom like a Pat Chung or Bernard Pollard, which results in a highlight 15% of the time and the other 85% a missed tackle --- nor does he do the "O-Lay!" Thomas DeCoud patented whiff "tackle" which results in a missed tackle 100% of the time.

    Bucannon can be a STAR if he is allowed to patrol centerfield, with good CBs which we have, and with a good pass rush -- which we will have with Clowney or Mack as one OLB and Biermann as the other OLB which has always been his best NFL fit (or a vet like Calvin Pace or Anthony Spencer on the cheap would be a great signing because we have zero good depth at OLB).

  6. Dude, nice catch! Here's hoping it's a safety or OT.

    $1.5 million likely means 1 of:

    FS: Champ Bailey, Charles Woodson

    RT: David Stewart, Tyson Clabo

    I hope it's David "Big Country" Stewart. He is a massive RT who for 4-5 years was without question the best RT in the NFL. He is still a nasty blocker, and his demeanor would pair well with RG Asamoah. Could provide the value that Willie Colon brought to the Jets last year, which was a TON for a similar $1.5 mil -- he changed the culture of their OL back to a unified, nasty tough unit. I'd love to run behind a right side of Asamoah and Stewart. Gives Holmes a full offseason to focus on his ability at left tackle to either unseat Baker at training camp or in 2015.

    I have a ton of respect for Tice as an OL coach (he made the Bears abominable unit respectable -- their 2012 OL was as bad as our 2013 OL, but with a nasty RG & Bushrod from Saints they became a good, cohesive unit).

  7. Yeah, just Bryant signed so far. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jaguars-seahawks-dt-bryant-agree-222905082--nfl.html

    Ok, who is their QB pick? Bortles, Boyd?

    JAX is going to take a QB at #3. Caldwell (ex-ATL) has said as much!-- he was in ATL when we took Matt Ryan #3 who wasn't viewed as a sure fire franchise QB but we loved him in the draft process and passed over the dominant DL prospect at our big D need: DT Glenn Dorsey.

    JAX has a ton of FA $ to spend on DEs. Got their LDE in Red Bryant, May get Bennett/Sheard/Johnson/Spencer/Allen for the RDE spot and also have recent high 2nd rd pick Andre Branch as the LEO rusher in training.

    I think he wants Teddy and they should get him as long as CLE or OAK don't trade to #2 for him.

    Those 2 meaningless late season wins are REALLY hurting us in our Clowney pursuit as we'd have the #3 pick if we had lost. Our best hope is that HOU takes Bortles, STL takes Watkins, JAX goes Teddy, CLE takes Manziel, and with Watkins and the top 3 QBs gone -- OAK trades down to #8 so the Vikings can get Carr. Can also hope STL takes G-Rob at #2, so the Raiders can take Sammy p. Need OAK to sign some DEs like Jabaal Sheard and Lamarr Houston back. Need JAX to sign an RDE too just to make sure they'll take a QB.

    I'm afraid TB will try to jump us to OAK #5 if Clowney is there, in which case we may need to swap with Oakland and give them a future high pick to prevent that. I think we will be trading up as Clowney won't fall to us due to TB trading up for him if he falls --- damned late season wins vs Buffalo and JAX.

  8. he'd have to be dirt cheap - like $1mm a year cheap. think he would be nothing more than a asst. coach/player. he's done.

    Really don't think he's done. He played hurt last year, more than was reported on. That gets you a "way to tough it out Champ, we need you" during the season, but then also a "you didn't perform up to our standards, so take a pay cut or bye".

    Denver also had zero pass rush after losing Dumervil to Faxgate, and then Miller to injury. If we got Clowney and/or signed Michael Johnson and a stud rush DT like Melton or Raji....Champ could do well as a CB or FS for us. Really think he & Tru can start outside with Alford in the slot, and Byrd at FS. Or Champ could play FS, although he has zero experience there.

    And yes, he'd be a great player/coach in the DB room, in practice, and on the field in games -- a QB for the secondary getting everyone lined up and ready is a great thing. Before, that guyw as Thomas friggin DeCoud.....

  9. I think BJ fell off due to scheme. He's not a 5-tech. Better fit as a DT in the 4-3.

    I still wouldn't pay much for him though.

    This is my stance too. He turned down about $8 mil a year to bet on himself, and looks like he ,ay have to settle for a 2 year decent deal and then re-hit the market ---- EXACTLY like Cliff Avril who turned down $10 mil a year from Detroit, Seattle got him cheap, and then he should have been Super Bowl MVP destroying Orlando Franklin and forcing all 3 Peyton INTs, as well as getting 2 sacks.

    Raji can be that force for us as a 4-3 DT, breaking the pocket down vs the pass in a similar to Ngata style. He was asked to hold up OL like many 3-4 DE do to free up the linebackers. Horrible position for him but GB knows his talent and offered him $8 mil a year anyway. A down year and now he'll leave in FA. So perfect for what we need on the DL --- big pocket collapsing DTs who can rush the QB, stop the run, and also shift to a 3 man front. Hits all 3. Hope we steal him and Matt Ryan uses their BC connection to recruit him.

  10. Also feel free to post your own trade down scenarios -- I didn't make it a poll because I am more interested in the discussion around "What should we do if Clowney is off the board" than just telling me which idea you like most.

    Obviously preferences can chance after FA --- for example if we signed DT Linval Joseph and DE Greg Hardy, then you could argue the NYJ trade is redundant and adding the impact play of Jurre,l Casey who is more of a 3tech in a 4-3 is what we need instead of a talented 0tech nose tackle --- or you could argue it completes our DLine with 2 run stuffing DTs and two multi talented big DEs so we can focus our draft on other positions.

  11. Once again I've been thwarted by my n00bness with my new iPad --- I wrote out all 4 scenarios and explained them in detail (evaluating the players received, the draft spot, why each team is moving up, etc.) only for my iPad Safari session to crash which on an iPad really just means minimize Safari and then re-open all of your windows without any written text (terrible for TATF homies like myself).

    This extra time has resulted in two positives: first being that I will just make the first post the trade scenarios and save the second post for explanation (I tend to be long winded). Second is that I added a 4th scenario -- a very different scenario.

    The premise here is that Jadaveon Clowney has been selected and we choose not to pony up to trade up for him. In my mind, Johnny Manziel has gone number #1 -- just don't see Bortles when all is said and done because he isn't a great thrower.

    G-Rob goes #2.

    Derek Carr goes #3 -- JAX loves him after coaching him in Senior Bowl, good loud leader and huge arm match Gus Bradley.

    Blake Bortles goes #4 to Cleveland -- Teddy is obviously the best QB in this draft to me......but CLE likes his size & arm strength and convince themselves he is Andrew Luck Jr.

    Oakland takes Clowney at #5 because Reggie McKenzie believes in strict BPA although I hope that they would be smart enough to take Teddy. However, I can see them shying away from Teddy because of T-Pryor's struggles that they've witnessed first hand although they are nothing alike; but after watching a mobile athletic QB fail in Oakland w/o weapons, very possible they decide it would happen again if they took Teddy at #6 and need to build a team first.

    That leaves us with Khalil Mack as probably our pick if we stay at #6, or Barr if he crushes the combine, or Watkins as BPA, or Jake Mathews which would be a horrible misuse of a rare Top 6 selection for us. I think it's in our best interest to leverage the talent on the board ---- Teddy Bridgewater (also Sammy Watkins, Mack, Ebron) ---- and trade down in a poor man's RG3 deal adding some young talent that fits our scheme and maybe another draft pick.

    In no order of preference:

    1) #6, FS Thomas DeCoud for NYJ #18, DE Quinton Coples, NT Kenrick Ellis, 2015 #2

    2) #6 for AZ #20, LB Daryl Washington, 2014 #4

    3) #6, OLB Kroy Biermann for TEN #11, DT Jurrell Casey, LB Zach Brown

    4) #6, FS Thomas DeCoud for DAL #16, RB DeMarco Murray, TE Gavin Escobar, 2015 #2

    To be honest I'm not sure what other draft picks aside from the 2014 #1 would be included -- obviously we want a 2014 #2 or 2015 #1 (I believe Dimitroff will prioritize help now in 2nd round over help later in 1st round --- unless he then trades that 1st for an early 2nd)

  12. Okay okay.. To those who didn't get it.. the thing about DeCoud was a joke.. But seriously Raji is terrible? I don't see him as an upgrade to any on our roster, he is not a good pass rusher, nor does he have the strenght to make to pocket collapse ...

    I disagree wholeheartedly guys.

    Similar to Glenn Dorsey in Kansas City, Raji is being misused as a 3-4 DE holding up linemen so Clay Matthews can fly around and have a clean line on the QB. It's a total waste of Raji's ability to get upfield --- and why he is leaving and badly wants to sign with a 4-3 team.

    He is going to have to sign for much less than his talent is worth -- similar to Cliff Avril's small 2 year deal and Avril as coming off a much more impressive season than Raji is. I would love to be the team to get BJ Raji on the cheap for a few seasons and let him get upfield in our 4-3. He can also hold the point if we flex to a 3-4 --- we currently have no DTs who could successfully hold up OL for LBs to fly around and make plays.

    You can't compare stats guys. Raji has been asked to just hold up OL so AJ Hawk, Clay Mathews, etc can make the plays. No DLinemen in Green Bay have good stats -- it's the scheme.

  13. Hmm I can't find it. The one I did find said they don't expect him to be tagged.

    Also Washington isn't going anywhere. He one of if not the best LBers in the league. Just has to stop getting suspended.

    With AZ using a high 2nd rd pick last year on talented ILB Kevin Minter --- highly doubt they franchise tag Karlos Dansby despite his amazing All-Pro year. Only sensible thing would be to trade Minter for a player or pick (I'd do Minter for Biermann straight easy) and then re-sign Karlos, but that's only if they are fully committed to winning this season with little regard to the future (Carson Palmer acquisition points in this direction).

    I agree with you that Daryl Washington is one of the best true LBs in the game -- top 10 right now probably: Patrick Willis, Navorro Bowman, Derrick Johnson, Luke Kuechly, Lavonte David, Sean Lee, Karlos Dansby are the clear top 7. Daryl Washington, Vontaze Burfict, D'Qwell Jackson, Von Miller (true LB?), Jerod Mayo, even Thomas Davis, DeMeco Ryan's (new Philly version), David Harris, Bobby Wagner and Spoon have a place in the convo -- along with next year youngsters DeMario Davis, Kiko Alonso, Wesley Woodyard, Mychal Kendricks, and rookie CJ Mosley will get in the convo.

    But if trading Daryl Washington (when they have Minter & Dansby and were fine w/o him) means hey can get the #6 pick and a franchise QB (Teddy Bridgewater) it will be absolutely worth it for Arizona. Carson can play out his deal in AZ, or Teddy can pull a Russell Wilson and out play him in camp and steal the job. AZ's future with Teddy at QB, Andre Ellington at RB, Michael Floyd at WR, and Larry Fitz's remaining year is exciting.

    You gotta be kidding me. You seriously think they can sign one of those trios?? Jairus Byrd is looking at about 10 mil a year, MJ about 8, and Hardy at least 10. Raji will get about 6-7 mil a year. This is free agency. Teams will be bidding against one another, hence the cost for each free agent will boom. The falcons have what 20-25 mil in cap space, but how many positions need to be filled? 20-25 mil is nothing compared to other teams, but oh yeah, the Falcons will easily sign 2 of the top 5 free agents and 3 out of the top 15!

    Yes I do and I said very clearly that they can make more moves to get over $40 mil on cap space. Right now we about $25 mil under. Restructures for Matt Ryan (+9 mil), Roddy (+6 mil), Blalock (+5 mil) brings us to $45 million in cap space.

    Further cuts to DeCoud, Osi, SJax (+3 mil each), Reynolds, Snelling (+1 mil each) brings total cap space to about $56 million.

    Michael Johnson ($7.5 mil 1st year cap hit), Jairus Byrd ($8.5 mil 1st year cap hit), BJ Raji ($7.5 mil 1st year cap hit), Alex Mack ($6 mil 1st year cap hit) = $29.5 mil cap space used, with $26.5 million left to spend.

    W/o the restructures, we can get all 3 defenders but are stuck with the combo of Konz or Hawley at Center.

    Teams who are aggressively trying to improve --- like Seattle last year who went after good free agents and drove them to sign at team friendly deals (Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett, Tony McDaniel) and traded for Percy Harvin --- don't just sit around and play with what they have. With the additions to the defense and Harvin who made an impact in the big game --- they won a Super Bowl. April terrorized Orlando Franklin and Peyton Manning all night getting a couple sacks and forcing several interceptions --- and Harvin had a return TD and chunks of yardage.

    I firmly believe all 3 of those defensive FAs would have a HUGE positive impact on our D; and that Alex Mack would steady our entire line and prevent DTs from destroying our line up the middle like Gerald McCoy, Star Lotulelei, and Bunkley/Akiem Hicks in our own division.

  14. LBs arent big money in free agency. There value is steady. No sense to draft a OLB in early rounds in a 4-3 scheme where the impact doesnt warrant that high of selection.

    Panthers took 4-3 Lbs Luke Kuechly and all of a sudden they have a top 2 run D, and he helps cover tight ends and shut down the middle of the field in pass pro.

    You saw how bad our D was with bad LB play --- I really don't get the 4-3 LBs have little impact argument. If they can't cover, you can't win (see: Keith Brooking, playoff game vs Arizona). And if they can't tackle, you also can't win (see: how DeCoud tries to tackle).

    If you have elite inside LBs, you will have a very good D: Carolina, San Fran, Kansas City, Cleveland, all have at least one stud ILB making plays. look at Dallas with Sean Lee (good D). And without Sean Lee (worst defense ever).

  15. Smith will probably be resigned by the Ravens. They want him back and he wants to be back.

    Cards also said if they can't agree on a contract with Dansby they will tag him.

    Please show me a link that says the Cards said they will tag Dansby. I highly doubt that is true since they used a high draft pick last year on ILB Kevin Minter (LSU) who I am sure is ready to take over with Daryl Washington as his running mate now that his suspensions are over.

    I'd be interested in a Daryl Washington trade if Dansby does re-sign there long term --- tho I don't know what we have that they'd want: 3-4 OLB Kroy Biermann could make a lot of sense for them as well as DeCoud as insurance for Tyrann and to replace coverage liability Yeremiah Bell at the other safety spot.

    FS DeCoud & OLB Biermann for ILB D-Wash? I could certainly get in board, tho I think DeCoud may be part of our trade package to the Rams who need a veteran free safety to play alongside talented but burnable SS TJ McDonald (USC).

    Spoon & D-Wash in our nickel D would be too nice, and we could keep D-Wash and let Spoon walk eventually as DWash is the more complete player and sans injury issues (knock on wood).

  16. Eh, maybe. We need an actual solution at SLB since Bartu won't cut it so I think getting an OLB high is inevitable. As for that player replacing Spoon... we'll see how the season pans out for him.

    Why won't Bartu cut it? I've just come around over the last few weeks to letting our two UDFA LBs have another season starting to see what they can do with an elite DL in front of them and an elite secondary behind them. It's not like Worrilow misses tackles and it isn't his fault our DL was manhandled on every snap so that RBs had running lanes galore and he had to guess where the RB would be going --- sake for Bartu.

    From a measurables standpoint -- Worrilow is Luke Kuechly Jr (1 inch and 5 lbs shorter/lighter) and Bartu is Vontaze Burfict Jr (same measurements). I wrote a thread on their athleticism and it's surprising that Worrilow is actually more athletic then Kuechly at basically the same build (same 40 to the hundredth, better 3 cone and shuttle) and same with Bartu vs Burfict.

    NY Giants won 2 Super Bowls with elite DL, good secondary, OK to bad LBs. Seattle just win with elite secondary, very good DL, and one good LB and the other 2 OK at best. Our defense should he able to win one with an elite DL and elite secondary and good LBs. If Bartu and Worrilow don't continue to improve their games this season then we can look to upgrade, but why throw away two UDFA gems just because they were UDFA? Seattle continues to start late round and UDFA players because they are good and it allows them to spend $ elsewhere. Having two good starting LBs being UDFAs who make less than $1 mil each would allow us to go sign FS Jairus Byrd, DE Greg Hardy or Michael Johnson, DT BJ Raji, and trade up for & pay DE Jadaveon Clowney.

  17. Lol you should have just stayed in hiding bro. Yeah i defended HD a ton last year. Remember last summer? You claimed "HD drops way too man passes". Then i showed you stats of him having 1 drop all year? And he had the highest catch percentage in the entire NFC South? Yeah you looked like a genius there. And what did he do this year when Julio went down? Had a career year and 1,000 yard season.

    Lol I know it's hard for you to understand from Grammy's basement but some of us have these things called lives where we are busy for many weeks at a time and can't sign onto the boards. I know for you, it's more like hours and by "busy" it's Grammy forcing you to take a break from World of Warcraft or these boards to shower and get the Cheetos out of your hair.

    Again....you are the only person here who values Harry Douglas at his salary and in his role. You think he is worth his $3.6 million cap number ---- when everyone else rightly acknowledges that this team would be MUCH better if that $3.6 million went to Emmanuel Sanders in the slot or a tight end like Jermichael Finley or Zach Miller and we could roll with Drew Davis or Darius Johnson in the slot.

    Douglas is an overpaid, mistake-prone, come up small in big moments receiver and now finally the rest of the league and the media is catching on to it instead of saying he was a good WR at Louisville and he'd be a starter elsewhere --- he only got 1,000 yards by sheer volume and Julio being out all year and Roddy constantly out or hobbled, Tony rusty as all h*ll, SJax always hurt and going all passing with no run game to speak of. No one gave a **** about Denarius Moore's thousand yard year last year because it game all in garbage game in one of the most pass happy offenses and that was the 2013 Atlanta Falcons --- a bad team reduced to bad starting players judging by your favorite Harry Douglas as our #1 receiver some weeks. No WONDER we went 4-12. 1000 yards woopty do --- no one else gives a crap that a player was able to get 1000 yards since we were down in every single second half and had to pass in all 12 of our losses and even in our 4 misguided victories.

    99% of people would cut HD for the $1.85 million in cap savings if we had Emmanuel Sanders lined up with a 1 year $2 mil deal, or Jermichael Finley/Zach Miller for the same deal, or OG Willie Colon or Jon Asamoah.

    And this isn't even the point you fool. The point is if Harry Douglas is ever starting for a professional football team, that will be a bad football team because he is inconsistent, doesn't make plays, and is a mediocre talent. Unfortunately due to injury we were able to bear witness to that scenario on our team and low and behold we went 4-12 with pretty much the same team that was 10 yards away from a Super Bowl berth, except on offense we subbed out Julio Jones for Harry freakin Douglas.

    I was hoping a team like Cleveland would want to trade for HD and we could see how bad he really was --- Matt Ryan was basically Carson Palmer of 2012 racking up stats in garbage time of many losses and Harry Douglas was a beneficiary of that. I pray to God that some idiot will throw us a 5th for Harry Douglas because he had 1000 yards and we will be getting Julio back this year. I pray that the Rams will want him as part of our trade up to the #2 pick so we may save the full $3.6 million instead of only $1.85 million from cutting him --- as 3.6 million could be the first year cap hit of a small deal for Michael Bennett or Henry Melton or Randy Starks.

    Paying Harry Douglas, Osi Umenyiora, and Steven Jackson as much as we are paying them is a joke given the free agent market and what much better players will be forced to take. It's absolutely laughable that Jeremy Maclin, Hakeem Nicks, Emmanuel Sanders, and Julian Edelman May all be paid less than Harry Douglas. It would show how had Dimitroff is in evaluating his own draft picks and his need to extend them to show that he didn't waste the pick --- Sam Baker's extension and immediate demise is perhaps the worst move TD has ever made, just ahead of array Edwards because we had many years of front row seats watching awful Sam Baker was to then freaking extend him when we had the cap space to go sign Jake Long to the exact deal he received from St Louis. Extending Harry Douglas only happened because we didn't have anyone else and TD didn't want to go pay big money to other free agent WRs. It has turned out to be a mistake and a big time overvaluing.

    The best part of Harry Douglas is his HD nickname. He trips and falls on wheel routes when he is wide open, he doesn't make defenders miss, he can't get separation from a team"s #1 or #2 CBa nod only racks up yards when they play off man to prevent big plays ---- go watchtower he dam* tape you idiot.

    Or you can be a stat lover and see 1000 and declare him an All-Pro. Good thing everyone here knows you don't know jack sh*t.

    Go back into hiding? I'll go back to my life....lol

  18. Just curious --- what do people want from TD this offseason. It'll be easier to judge if he did good or bad by you if you lay it out there for us to see.

    Too many people stay silent so they can use 20/20 hindsight and say he shoulda done this or that differently.

    I've been very clear on what I expect:

    1) More cuts: SJax (once we sign a better vet RB), DeCoud (once we sign Jairus Byrd), Osi (once we sign one of the top 3 DEs), Snelling, Reynolds

    2) Restructurings: Matt Ryan, Roddy, Blalock --- all 3 of these guys have bloated salaries killing our cap. A simple salary to bonus restructure (like Fitzgerald) would save $20 million between the 3 of them !!

    3) now with over $40 million in cap space (that's top 3 cap space I believe), go sign:

    A] one of top 3 DEs (Hardy, Orakpo, MJ)

    B] FS Jairus Byrd

    C] one of top 3 DTs (Raji, Linval, Houston)

    D] give Robert McClain a low restricted FA tag (too many CB FAs for anyone to want him after last year) and resign Babs on a very small 2 year deal, $1.5 mil each or he can walk. Let Peters and Jerry go.

    E] sign Alex Mack if he hits free agency. He is our #1 OL priority because we can't win if DLs blow up our OL from the interior. Konz is a bust and better to call it now then have him cost us another season; if Konz gets better he can compete at RG (doubt it).

    F] sign value OG and OT. I love what Willie Colon can bring to our OLine -- he took a talented but underachieving NYJ OLine and made them a unified, nasty, tough unit that became a top 6 unit. He can get even Baker to show a little **** fight. At OT I think Oher is going to out price himself like Jake Long did, and then be forced to take a 3 year value deal to re-hit the market later. TD loved him in his draft and B-More jumped us to draft him --- if he doesn't have a hot market I expect him to be a Falcon finally (he can also play LT in a pinch which is important with Baker's back issues). If not Oher, bring back Clabo who was good in the 2nd half for Miami or other solid vets like David Stewart or even Austin Howard. If Harvey Dahl is cut by STL I wouldn't mind getting the back together for pennies (Dahl and Clabo) because they played so well together and it's a no risk/high upside move.

    G] as mentioned with SJax I expect us to make a run at McFadden or Chris Johnson in free agency -- they would just take the exact money ($3 mil) that SJax was getting paid. DMC has same durability issues as SJax but when healthy is 100x more explosive; CJ is incredibly durable which goes unnoticed and doesn't miss games -- and I think if he was out in a situation where he had to show out to earn another big pay day he could be the CJ2K of old -- especially in a dome on turf and with our passing weapons emptying boxes.

    H] a veteran TE in free agency to complement Toilolp so we don't have to force a draft pick like we did moving up for Trufant because we whiffed on Keenan Lewis last year. My favorite for this is Zach Miller in Seattle who should be cut --- top 3 blocker in NFL, underrated receiver, won't cost much. Finley is also an option and I'm sure we'd be at the top of his list, but he's more receiving only and we wouldn't be able to run power with him as the lone TE on the field (IMO). Fred Davis for $1 mil on 1 year is interesting as well.

    I] if we can't get some of the above and we have a lot of money to spend, a Plan B that I've grown fond of is going hard after a top CB (Talib) and moving Alford to slot CB. We'd have Talib and Trufant outside with 5'10 insane athlete Alford inside and McClain as injury insurance and our dime CB --- giving us the best CB quad in the NFL IMO and our LOB if we succeed in signing Byrd. With a secondary like that we could draft pass rushers and they'd have a chance to get to the QB because receivers just won't be open. I'm worried about Alford on the outside because of his size and I know his aggressiveness and size is an asset in the slot instead of a detriment outside going against 6'5 VJax and 6'4 Colston and 6'5 Kelvin Benjamin if Carolina does in Round 1 what I think it should.

    And that's the free agency --- seems like a lot but with $45 million to spend we can do a lot. I'm only calling for 3 big $ moves: DE, FS, DT. One mid-market move: C. And a handful of small money moves: OG, OT, RB, TE, resigning 2 of our own. Ideally we get Orakpo (ideal DE/OLB), Raji (ideal DT/NT), Byrd (ideal FS). MJ, Linval, Ward are all strong Plan Bs.


    A]fully expect to trade up to #2 for Clowney. Clowney with Orakpo (or MJ/Hardy) would just be amazing off the edge in both the 4-3 and in 3-4 OLB sets. I expect us to use our 2015 #1 so I won't be one of the people screaming we've been Dimitroff'd if we give #6, 2015 #1 and FS Thomas DeCoud to the Rams for #2. I'd instead be thrilled.

    B] I expect a DT with the 2nd pick unless one of the top 3 TEs falls: ASJ or Amaro. ASJ can be our Jimmy Graham in terms of how they use him --- lucky for us he had a down final year but his tale just screams that he has the ability to dominate games. He'll be a better pro than college player for sure. That said, if Timmy Jernigan is there at #24 I think we should move up for a DT. I've said in many threads the sweet spot in this draft for a DT is #16 to #32 because doubtful any will go before that and doubtful any of the top ones will be available after that: Jernigan, Donald, Nix III, Hageman, Tuitt. If we sign a NT type (Raji/Linval) then Jernigan or Hageman or Donald makes sense. If we sign a 3-tech type (Houston/Melton) then Louis Nix III makes sense.

    The trade up will be something like #2 and 2015 #2 with WR Harry Douglas (Kansas City at 23 makes a lot of sense). I expect TD to use our 2015 picks now to build a contender because if we aren't in the playoffs he won't be around for the 2015 offseason --- so essentially I'm on board because it will allow us to attack this draft and there is special talent for our team needs.

    C] I expect RB and TE in some order in around 3 and 4. If Tre Mason is still available atop the 3rd i think he's our guy --- he reminds me of a more explosive Ray Rice. Even if we get DMC on a 1 year deal, a 1-2 punch with Tre would be ideal and Tre could also take over as feature back in case of injury. Bishop Sankey, Jeremy Hill, Charles Sims, Ka'Deem Carey, Carlos Hyde are other options, as well as former HS phenom Lache Seastrunk.

    I've loved CJ Fiedorowicz since he enrolled at Iowa but it appears the horrible coaching staff took one of the most decorated HS TE prospects in the history of HS recruiting into a 6th OLineman for their power run scheme as they've never had a good QB. 6'6 and a half and 260 lbs with 4.65 speed -- strong blocker, good hands makes him a great red zone threat as well as intermediate receiver. Due to basically no stats in college he should be available for our early 4th rounder.

    If ASJ runs a horrible 40 and somehow falls to our early 3rd -- he's obviously the pick and then we take a RB in the 4th.

    D] I expect a super talented prospect with off field questions atop the 5th --- essentially go BPA by pure talent and that's usually an early round talent still on the board because of off field concerns. The guy I've zeroed in on here is Seantrel Henderson -- the OT from Miami who we coached at the Senior Bowl. Former Oregon move TE Colt Lyerla is another possibility at 6'5 250 with 4.55 speed (basically has the talent of top 40 pick to be Jace Amaro but potentially faster) IF his legal issues with cocaine possession are resolved -- and he would go on a one strike policy in ATL tho I doubt he ever f's up again because it wouldn't just mean he is cut -> it means jail time.

    E] I want Larry Webster on this team. He's a basketball power forward who tried his hand at his fathers position (DE) and found immediate success at Bloomsburg as a 6'6 250 pass rusher with 4.6 40 speed. Watching Webster move though it is very clear that he could be a Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates tight end in the NFL. Teams have already asked him to try out at TE and it's an easier position to translate your power forward/bball skills to --- jumping, boxing out in the end zone for fades and curls, all of which are much more natural actions than battling with an enormous NFL OT trying to get to the QB. Honestly he's such a natural athlete that maybe he could be a stud DE with a few YEARS of coaching and added strength. But he could make an impact right away as a role playing TE and take over in Year 2 --- same progression as Jimmy Graham.

    F] with our last pick, I expect to go BPA or add a kicker to compete with Matt Bryant because if we can move on from Bryant one year early on his $2.75 million deal in his last contract year. That money can more than pay for one year of Darren McFadden, or Emmanuel Sanders as a slot WR, or Zach Miller or Jermichael Finley as our new starting TE, or Willie Colon as our starting RG. I think we bring in a young kicker and as long as he holds up well, Bryant is a goner and we get almost $3 mil more to spend on quality FAs.

    So all my cards are out on the table. Make it happen TD!

  19. . Theres no need of paying HD 3m a year or whatever he makes to be the 3rd WR now and probably 4th if we signed a WR early.

    Are you f'ing kidding me?? LOL. Dude we've all seen you stick up for Harry Douglas in many a thread saying he has amazing hands and is underrated. Don't pretend you casually think we should drop HD now --- he's always been the 3rd WR at best and a total waste of $3 million plus a year.

    And for guys advocating for Watkins, I get the BPA point and the unique circumstance that we could pair Julio with Watkins and on a cheap rookie deal for 4 years --- would give Matt at least a PAIR of elite WRs for his career but also a trio of elite WRs until Watkins' rookie cheap deal was up -- by then Roddy would be retired anyway.

    We better clean up in free agency (several DLineman -- 2 DTs and 2 DEs, a new FS like Byrd, and three veteran value OL) to even consider taking Watkins or Ebron if Ebron runs a 4.4. Watkins would replace TG in that we would move to a 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB base O like Green Bay or Denver instead of a 2 WR, 1 TE, FB and RB. We'd still need a TE, so a TE like ASJ could play the Julius Thomas role while Watkins is Welker and Julio is freak #1 Demaryius while Roddy is the possession #1b like Decker.

    As long as our free agent OL have Matt time to throw, he should easily post his best season of his career passing. We would just have to fill out our defense in FA to even consider not going defense at 6 and also taking a DT atop round 2. BJ Raji and Michael Johnson as expensive, Michael Bennett and Jabaal Sheard as value FAs on the DLine, and Byrd as an expensive FS. Alex Mack would be our big acquisition on the OL at center, while Willie Colon or Jon Asamoah at OG and Clabo or Dave Stewart are value free agents at RT. Restructuring Matt's deal along with Roddy and Blalock plus all the cuts everyone mentions would free up the money to do this.

  20. Jonathan Brown

    He's been in my mocks and our coaches got an up close look at him coaching him at the Senior Bowl --- don't know if this is a good or bad thing though because he didn't stand out.

    Tough to explain why he had a down final season at Illinois, but early on he seemed like the next Spoon/Lavonte. He's 6'1 230 with 4.5 40 speed or faster --- making him an ideal 4-3 weak side LB. Today's NFL you can have both OLBs be smaller, fast guys who can cover as longa a the DLine & MLB stop the run and the OLBs aren't afraid to mix it up and use their speed to get into the backfield for the tackle.

    In the 5th or later, Brown would be a great high upside pick. Good Spoon injury insurance for certain.

  21. Turrible.

    You said. It's why I also think he crushes it this offseason. He can and has a clear path to over $40 million in cap space. So if he doesn't crush it with ideal FA signings and the draft (fully expect us to move up to #2 for Clowney unless the Bucs offer 5 1st round draft picks) then he truly needs to GTFO.

    Urgency spurs actions -- so may actually luck into TD crushing this offseason because of our poor 2013. He knows Blank brought in Pioli so that we would have a top executive who was familiar with the organization and the personnel to take over for 2015 if the ship isn't righted in 2014.

    When Holmgren was up against the wall he used a future 2nd round pick to outbid the field for Josh Gordon which now looks like a steal. With Dimitroff up against a wall, he should use a future 1st to move up to take Jadaveon Clowney which I have a feeling when all is said and done will look like a steal too. He's a better prospect than Aldon Smith, Jason Pierre-Paul, Robert Quinn, and even Mario Williams --- and right now he is really just an insane athlete with natural moves terrorizing OTs and QBs. When a good DL coach teaches him flawless technique, you're basically going to get a 4-3 DE version of JJ Watt who is unstoppable and makes an impact on every snap. I've never wanted a single player more.

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