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  1. 20 hours ago, Dr Long Shot said:

    Worst starting CB in the league last year and won't even be playing this year. Out of all the moves that are starting to look questionable this isn't the one I'm disappointed about. 

    It's funny how Robert Alford looked like a pro bowler when Quinn took over the defense in 2016 but looked like trash along with thre rest of the defense last year with Manuel calling it. Jalen Collins had his only good stretch of NFL play when Quinn took over the defense as well. Trufant looked bad for 1st half of the season last year. With the exception of Grady Jarrett, I wouldn't put too much stock in player assessments from last season. 

    I will miss Alford. Would have like to have seen him have a bounce back year with Quinn finally taking over fulltime again. 

  2. 19 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    This man is smart enough to know you can't risk Matt getting comfortable with our weapons.

    We didn't have much of a ground game in our meetings up in Philly...

    I think we really need to get the run game going to secure the consistency of the offense early this year and help the OL gel; plus keep the D fresh.


    19 minutes ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    This man is smart enough to know you can't risk Matt getting comfortable with our weapons.

    We didn't have much of a ground game in our meetings up in Philly...

    I think we really need to get the run game going to secure the consistency of the offense early this year and help the OL gel; plus keep the D fresh.

    Well if it's been working, keep doing it. Greg Williams blueprint.

  3. 5 minutes ago, vel said:

    But even Kyle had some duds. Don't act like he's some kind of jesus. 

    Plus, the Bucs put up 27 on the Eagles the week after we put up 12 last year. Koetter was apart of that gameplanning. The Eagles aren't some insurmountable team. Just because we've lost to them, Kyle included, in recent years means nothing on Sunday. 

    Correct Shanahan did have some duds. No denying that. Still I never lost confidence in the offense unlike with previous coordinators that have sputtered through Matts tenure. We had a different flow. I don't know how Shanahan conducted practices but we were seeing Matt make throws we knew he was more than capable of making regularly. Heck Taylor Gabriel, of all people, was going off. 

    Even though he hasn't had his starting qb for much in San Fran, not only fo they move the ball but they also score and go deep with less talent and a back up qb. Shanahan called plays not trying to protect Matt. He called plays that made Matt play worry free. I felt every pass Matt was gonna make was going for a touchdown. Didn't matter if gabriel sanu or Julio was covered. That's what I meant. 

  4. On 9/10/2019 at 0:33 PM, vel said:

    Literally have a cupboard running over with playmakers and we make it look so hard. Part of that is Matt though. Guys were open. But he just does this sometimes. Did it last year with the Eagles. Sometimes you gotta grab ya nuts and not care what the defense is trying to do and prove you have the players to beat anybody. Forcing a ball to a triple covered Julio isn't that though. 

    Amen. He waits till our backs are against the wall or game is almost out of reach before his '**** it ' button kicks in like that Calvin Ridley touchdown last week. That's the whole point of having great players. Sometimes when the play doesn't greet anybody open as planned and they dare man up on Julio Sanu or Ridley, take a freaking chance Matt! Don't throw one of those ducks that floats in the air forever because it gives the defender a higher chance of getting back in to the play.  


  5. On 9/10/2019 at 0:23 PM, vel said:

    Man Washington's defense went stupid in the second half. No situational awareness. Biting on flat routes on 3rd & longs. Just stupid. Even the second bomb to DJax was just stupid awareness by Norman biting on underneath routes. The looked worse than the Texans did last night. 

    If Ridley doesn't get a steady dose of deep posts all game when Sidney Jones is lined up on him, Koetter should be fired. He couldn't run with McLaurin and it was obvious. They better not come out scared of this Philly DL. They did not look present. Ereck Flowers looked competent against them. They'll have to blitz to get pressure and the Falcons better be ready. 

    You are most optimistic than I am about the offense. Koetter can't make Matt throw the ball to allow his receiver to make the play for him. I see philly with their sub par secondary somehow containing our offense solely to fgs. 


    I hope the defense can generate some turnovers to help the offense.  I miss Shanahan man. He was killing the league with Taylor Gabriel and Aldrick Robinson in thre mix with Julio and Sanu. That's a less talented Corp than what we have now and yet I see us laying another stinker on offense while the defense finally shows up. 

  6. On 9/10/2019 at 11:26 AM, vel said:

     When the Falcons are on Offense: Matt got his usual week one stinker out of the way. Since DQ has been here, Matt has averaged a 113.1 passer rating with a 7:2 TD/INT ratio in week two compared to 94.1 passer rating and a 5:3 split in week one. If there is one guy I'm putting money on, it's Matthew Thomas Ryan. He bounces back, this team can win. The last two games versus Philly on the road, he's been bad. But he's at home this time and fresh off a terrible game. He rarely puts two of these together. Like I noted above, Case Keenum lit this group up in week one. Matt can do that. The Eagles tend to be more aggressive but at times less disciplined. Sark refused to exploit this the two times in a row. If Koetter and Co. want to go home early, do the same. They need to exploit this secondary. Keenum had guys running wide open all game. With lesser talent. They need to win this match up consistently. The OL should be able to get some movement, especially with Brown in the game. Lindstrom is easily the better pass protector but Brown can maul in the run game. That 6'5 340lb man needs to earn his check Sunday. They don't need 100 yards, but they need balance and the threat of Freeman and Co breaking loose. Keep the offense in 2nd/3rd and manageable situations. I'm expecting a big bounce back game from everybody on this side of the ball. Koetter, Matt, Jake, Freeman. Everybody. Too much money and talent to score 0 points for a full game (**** the 12 points they were gifted). 

    Great thread vel. Im not holding my breath expecting the offense to show up. I don't know how many weapons we need on offense for Matt and (name whatever coordinator except for Shanahan). I see us having red zone issues. None of the bigger sized backs will be activated. Matt doesn't throw jump balls, back shoulder fades to any of the receivers there. Heck I will be surprised if we even get to go deep and actually complete it against the eagles defense. Seems like teams with less talent always know how to exploit other teams weakness while we are solely only worried about spreading the ball. A teams number one corner or linebacker can be out and we still won't exploit the matchups. That's Falcons football always. 

    Seriously im expecting more of an improvement from the defense. I can see them keeping this game close for the majority of the game. Our offense will kick plenty of field goals while philly offense scores touchdowns on the only 2-3 drives that makes it to our redzone. 

    Looking forward to being at the game this Sunday to watch the defense. I hope Dirk and the offense proves me wrong. 

  7. 9 hours ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

    I wouldn't say the Falcons have ever had trouble getting the ball to Julio when you look at the numbers he's put up, but I see where you're going.

    There isn't one answer, but look at it like this.  Houston had the 4th most rushing attempts in the league last year -- and they ran for the 8th most yards.  Dennis Allen Monday night made a few strange calls, namely going Cover-0 -- that means no safety in the middle of the field and blitzing everyone that gave up a few big ones.  That TD to put them against was against cover-0.

    Same with the Saints.  They had the 5th most rushing attempts in the league last year and the passing attempts fell to 23rd in the league.  When you can run that well the defense has to dedicate more resources to stopping your run game.  That leads to simpler coverages, which leads to easier looks for Thomas to go against.  You can't throw a whole lot of brackets at one receiver if you have to stack the box.

    Pittsburgh always had weapons around AB.  LeVeon.  Ju-Ju.  Even without LeVeon last season he had Ju-Ju on the other side of him putting up over 1400 yards.

    When Kyle was here it wasn't about getting the ball to Julio.  It was about getting the ball to everyone and balance.  We had the #5 rushing game in the league in '16.  

    Thanks for the insightful response my good sir. That's what makes Julio that much more amazing to me. He still puts up amazing numbers despite being handcuffed by inconsistent run game or lack of one especially against playoff caliber defenses, bad deep balls from Matt Ryan, and lack of 50/50 balls or even back shoulder throws in the red zone or within the drive from Matt. Iwas happy that Matt threw to a spot to allow Calvin to make a play for that td catch but hate it that it takes the game being over or the teams back being against the wall before he makes those throws because he is very capable. Why do we get to the red zone only to have Luke stocker as the main person to target expecting him to make an outstanding catch when we have sanu, Calvin, and Julio?  If Julio was playing with Ben, Brady, rivers or Brees, I don't think we would be arguing who the number 1 receiver is right now. He would have broken the 2000 receiving yards milestone multiple times. That's why it's frustrating to see him taken out of the game too easily because our run game hasn't been the same since Shanahan left. Maybe im wrong but watching Falcons offense frustrates me especially when I see other offenses doing more with less. It's always almost feast or famine with our offense. 


    Correct me if I'm wrong but even though Kyle designed everyone to get the ball, he was one of the few coordinators I was able to watch, with my limited understanding of the game, truly confuse defenses with Julio as a decoy but still made him as explosive as we've ever seen him. He made Matt work on parts of his game the past coordinators didn't have him work on. I remember several games where Matt threw at least a few 50/50 balls to allow his receivers to make plays in the red zone. That's the deadliest ive ever seen Matt. He never JUST run what Matt likes. He pushed him outside of his comfort zone to elevate his play.

    I am indifferent towards Dirk being back.  I hope he has success but I cringe everytime I hear every coordinator hired say 'we are going to run all of Ryan's favorite plays and what he is comfortable with.' I don't know if we become very predictable too the extent that the offense sputters enough to get the coordinator fired.

    I hope the run game takes off. I like Freeman I just don't know if he is that back for mularkey run blocking scheme. Mike has always had bigger sized backs than Ito (even though he ran well game 1) and Freeman.  I miss Turner. Hope Qadree can turn out the be, at least, half the player he was.

    How do you feel about the Dirk hiring? I don't think the board ever heard your take?



  8. I have a question. How come we have trouble getting Julio the ball compared to other teams with even less weapons? Julio can't be the only number 1 that gets double or triple covered. Some how Drew Brees always finds a way to get Kamara and Micheal Thomas the ball often despite lacking other threats. Antonio brown always feasted in Pittsburgh. DeAndre Hopkins made plays against lattimore in week one. Yet we have trouble getting Julio the ball. Im sick of the decoy excuses. We're driving a Ferrari like a Camry. I don't get why. 


    Kyle was good at not only using Julio as a decoy but also freeing him up very often. Is it a coordinator or qb issue? I don't think other teams shut our offense down. I think we are the ones keeping Julio and the rest of our weapons in check.  


    Can the knowledgeable x's and o's guys truly explain why we're are always the exception? 

  9. 1 hour ago, kiwifalcon said:

    Why not Bailey on the strong side end and Takk go more over fronts with Jarrett and Davison in the base.

    If our interior is fine why not go over and bigger on the edge.

    Use VB44 as a legit situational rusher anything 2nd & 3rd and long he’s in get him out of run D completely.


    If he sticks with the 5-2, could he move bailey to Beasley's spot and put Cominsky at the vacant end spot? Will that change anything? 

  10. 48 minutes ago, FalconsIn2020 said:

    Agreed.  I’m confused on two counts.  First, why did we hire a non-WCO coach to OC our WCO?  Second, why is Quinn,  a coach who has masterfully run a 4-3 Under with multiple Cover1/3 schemes, opting for odd man fronts?

     I honestly would love if we ran Cover 1 with 4-3 under...used the robber and other variations ala the SB.  Alford always shadowed the Edelman’s...perhaps Oliver isn’t ready yet?

    Bottom line: it seems like every coordinator/coach outside of Knapp is coaching and scheming things outside their wheelhouse. 

    I believe he mentioned im the offseason how the league has caught up with his 4-3 under defense after watching hours of tape extensively. He had to add another layer to it or switch it up in layman terms. 

  11. 1 hour ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

    I saw that too. And I’m all for experimenting but this may be one of those cases where DQ might be outthinking himself. He seems to be intent on making Vic an every down player, which in this alignment means turning him into a linebacker for all intents and purposes. We’ve seen that experiment.

    Put Takk back on the weak side so he doesn’t have to set an edge every down and Bailey at the 5. If we can’t find a true SAM to play on top of the TE to play the Under, which may be the real reason for all this, then so be it. Put Claborn on the other side and we’ll play Over.

    We can still get 8 men in the box and we can get three true linebackers on the field with Foye out there.

    Isn't devondre a true SAM?

  12. 5 minutes ago, Fiddlin John's Ghost said:

    Not really worried because they are an outside zone team. Penetration kills zone running plays, and IMO, Grady, Davison, and Crawford are gonna get penetration against their interior oline. I really dont think they can block us up inside. At all.

    But they have top 5 rated offensive line. We're barely got any pressure on them last we played them. I have reasons to be optimistic this year because of Quinn taking over this year. I feel the same way you do to an extent because of it.  Think our d will surprise this year from start to finish. 

  13. 1 minute ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

    Kevin Stefanski is the offensive coordinator.  Same dude who took over play calling last year.

    I'm sure Gary being on as a consultant is going to help, but it still goes back to how Zimmer wants to play.  And he's always leaned on that defense and grind it out with the running game.

    Anything can happen in September.  It's the great fooler month.  I know Minnesota's defense for example was straight garbage the first quarter of last season before getting it together, but I'm just saying this isn't the kind of matchup you go in against a Mike Zimmer team and think we gotta put 35 to win cuz they're gonna lay at least 30 on us.


    Now watch, just as I saw that, them fools score 40 and Cousins wins Offensive Player of the Week:bang:

    Good I hope not. If someone else was defensive coordinator other than Quinn, I would have believed you. Only way i see that scenario materializing is if our offense lays a massive egg.

  14. 18 minutes ago, PeytonMannings Forehead said:

    Just curious, but why not?  Last time the D was healthy, they finished #9 in yards and #8 in scoring.

    Vikings were a below average offense last year... way below average for all the talent they have.  Even with Cook back in the lineup they still only managed 22.5 a game.

    Now I'm not making the case that we were ever an elite defense, but it's not like we hemorrhaged points when everyone was in the lineup, and Zimmer's offenses since he's been in Minnesota, they've never really ran anyone out of the stadium.  They've always content to play it close.  There's not really any reason to believe the defense can't keep pace with anything Minny throws at them.

    You aren't worried how potent their running game will be with Kubiak as the coordinator? I think they will be a lot more competent than last year because of him. 

  15. 4 hours ago, vel said:

    Man I'm cautiously but highly optimistic. The talent is there for any kind of front. The secondary, when healthy, can play how you want it to. Losing Wilcox sucks because the 3 safety looks with him would have been another layer, but maybe Neasman/Ish can provide something similar. Maybe even Foye. HeIl, you can even throw Grace out there on deep passing downs. Like it's crazy just how deep and multiple they can be. Obviously it's a ton of speculation, but I'm going on a limb that it's coming. 

    I mentioned that in another thread about the idea of using grace as that 3rd safety on passing downs since we don't have Wilcox anymore. He is practically almost Keanu size. 

  16. 42 minutes ago, TD_Lover said:




    3 point 


    2 point 

    Also applies to offensive lineman they just don't stand up like this guy


    Just for fun


    4 point


    Thanks man.  Wouldn't that mean you get more explosion out of a 4 point stance since it's similar to a track get off? Why wouldn't that make Takk and Vic more explosive vs 2 point like fatboi mentioned in his post? 

  17. 9 hours ago, TheFatboi said:

    Good find vel. All pre season I saw a multitude of fronts. I saw 5-2 with 5 down. 3-4, 2-4-5, 1-4-6. I don’t know if many noticed but I paid attention. The main thing was no matter what the from except for 5-2 takk and Beasley rushed from a 2 point stance. They both benefit from it because they both rushed that way in college. Takk absolutely loves it and I can tell Beasley does as well. Takk said he can see more from a 2 point stance and his get off is more powerful and I’ve seen the same from VB. The different fronts are Sutton. I expect our LB’s to be as successful as my cousin Justin and company was in KC. And probably another reason Bailey was brought in. The experience of playing those multiple fronts. Vic and Takk are playing OLB now even tho they’re listed as DE’s. Everytime they’re in a 2 point stance they’re LB’s and I love it. Looking forward to them throwing crazy looks at cousins. 

    Clueless fan here. What's a two point stance and what makes it different from a 3 point?

  18. 3 hours ago, Ergo Proxy said:

    That’d be great. I’d like to see Campbell out there on some 3rd and long and let a faster LB play next to DeBo, be it Foye or Grace.

    Wonder where Duke fits in for DQ??? :ninja:

    I was thinking thre same thing too. I think devondre is more than fast enough. Could the word you're looking for be instinctual? I think that's the only thing preventing Campbell from taking that step into that next echelon. 

  19. 3 hours ago, TheFatboi said:

    Grace plays MLB. Foye plays WLB. He played some MLB because of the Debo injury last year. So did duke. But if we’re talking about one starting over the other it can’t happen because they don’t play the same position. Unless grace is moved to WLB. And I don’t see that happening after his great camp and pre season was at MLB. NOW...In a 3-4 we may see grace out there with Debo as the 2 lb’s in the middle are MLB’s. Takk and Beasley would be the OLB’s. Then Quinn May have a 4-4 package where takk and Beasley will have their hand in the dirt but we still have 4 LB’s. Foye and Campbell at OLB and Grace and Debo at MLB. But no Foye and Grace don’t play the same position. Foye is our starting WLB. Debo is our starting MLB, and Campbell is our starting SLB in 4-3. In nickel it will more than likely be Debo and Campbell. But we may see grace out there at certain times. And that’s if grace even dresses out because we only dress 46 on hame day. That’s 7 inactives on game day. 

    Thanks for the clarification. I just assumed the 2 backers in 4-3 under and 3-4 were really just inner linebackers even though they are labeled Mike and will.  Still got lots to learn lol. 

    I have another question. Since Wilcox went down, could grace act as the third safety in certain packages? He looks like a safety out there. 

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